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[MatrixMan.EXE]

This goes hand in hand with their societies blasé attitude towards pedophilia as well. It was only recently that it actually become illegal to posses child pornography, and even then those JK cafés, hentai manga depicting girls that look about 10 and the like are still rampant, with the government seemingly doing the bare minimum to crack down on it.

I like their culture, love visiting the country and can speak the language, but this is a massive problem that needs to be addressed on the world stage in my opinion. The Japanese government need a fire lit under their asses.

 

[Mattlikewhoa]

Jesus, this is terrible... added the rather sickening stories in this thread, and I might just need a break from the internet this morning.

 

[LegendofJoe]

The Japanese government needs to take forceful action to change their sexual culture. Stop censoring porn, start prosecuting groping as sexual assault, and air PSA adverts about the behavior being unacceptable. The way women are treated is harming their society, you would think even the most conservative Japanese ministers would see the obviousness of that truth by now.

 

[Tadaima]

Since ero manga seems to be coming up a lot, I thought it might be worth chiming in.

I handle the technology for the spin-off of a "hentai" manga publisher. We digitally publish Japan's top-selling ero manga magazines day-and-date (which is unprecedented in this otherwise rather antiquated industry). The service launched two months ago as a sort of "Netflix of ero manga" where users pay a monthly fee for unlimited access to 4 titles including the 3 best-sellers.

I can't give out any specifics on data or our users, but if anybody has any questions about the industry or its content I'd be happy to try to answer.

 

[Ratrat]

The Japanese government needs to take forceful action to change their sexual culture. Stop censoring porn, start prosecuting groping as sexual assault, and air PSA adverts about the behavior being unacceptable. The way women are treated is harming their society, you would think even the most conservative Japanese ministers would see the obviousness of that truth by now.

Seems like a common sentiment. But what does censored pornography have to do with it? Most of Asia doesn't even have porn. If you're pinning this on frustration(censored porn is the norm and would hardly lead to that) then legalizing prostitution would make more sense.

 

[Lucky Seven]

Christ, I thought this stuff was just exclusive to hentai so readers could experience the escapism. Well, it's apparently very real. That is a nightmare.

 

[The Technomancer]

And yet I still have to believe people that tells me that sexualization of, not only young girls, but these kind of assaults, in games, movies, mangas.... is not a problem and has no correlation with these stories.

One could argue it's art imitating life and not the other way around.

One could argue, but the idea that life and art have a linear, one directional relationship is a bit simplistic. Art plays a part in reinforcing norms

 

[Zaru]

Since ero manga seems to be coming up a lot, I thought it might be worth chiming in.

I handle the technology for the spin-off of a "hentai" manga publisher. We digitally publish Japan's top-selling ero manga magazines day-and-date (which is unprecedented in this otherwise rather antiquated industry). The service launched two months ago as a sort of "Netflix of ero manga" where users pay a monthly fee for unlimited access to 4 titles including the 3 best-sellers.

I can't give out any specifics on data or our users, but if anybody has any questions about the industry or its content I'd be happy to try to answer.

It's probably beyond your knowledge but I AM curious what percentages of released hentai fall under consensual and rape, age ranges of the characters involved and how popular certain types are with the readers

 

[Lime]

No wonder gamergaters and far-right people often bring up Japan as an inspirational country (thanks to their heteropatriarchal society and ethno-nationalism)

 

[Ratrat]

Since ero manga seems to be coming up a lot, I thought it might be worth chiming in.

I handle the technology for the spin-off of a "hentai" manga publisher. We digitally publish Japan's top-selling ero manga magazines day-and-date (which is unprecedented in this otherwise rather antiquated industry). The service launched two months ago as a sort of "Netflix of ero manga" where users pay a monthly fee for unlimited access to 4 titles including the 3 best-sellers.

I can't give out any specifics on data or our users, but if anybody has any questions about the industry or its content I'd be happy to try to answer.

Do you publish anything at all for women or gay men?
Do western tastes differ much from Japan?

 

[ShyMel]

A 52-year-old woman, who did not want to disclose her name or workplace, explained that she was recently sexually assaulted by someone, whose face she did not see, at her workplace in Tokyo. When she reported the incident to her employers, she says they were sympathetic but deterred her from going to the police, telling her to think about the company's reputation and the trauma she would have to relive. She felt they simply did not want any trouble for the company.

Screw any company that pulls crap like this. No company reputation is worth a woman not being able to report being sexually assaulted.

 

[Tadaima]

It's probably beyond your knowledge but I AM curious what percentages of released hentai fall under consensual and rape

Depends on the magazine. The best-selling magazines are not as hardcore as you might imagine. Almost all of the content is "consensual" (in the same way as regular western porn might be). We have a policy to block apparent non-concentual stuff from the public preview site, and the amount of content which gets blocked is minimal.

However, I cannot speak for other publishers. A lot of the competition publishes very questionable stuff, and there is definitely a niche market for the more hardcore stuff you might imagine when you think of the word "hentai." However, you wouldn't be able to buy that stuff in convenience stores, which is where most ero manga is sold. Which in turn = much lower sales.

The majority of the content is typical porn.

age ranges of the characters involved

They're fictional, so it's up to the artist. But I'm sure every artist would give you a different answer.

how popular certain types are with the readers

Can't give you specifics but it's quite a bit different from US/Euro tastes.

 

[airmangataosenai]

Pretty typical clickbait article. Lots of anecdotal stories to give the impression that an issue discussed is more than just common but widespread or even universal. Virtually no figures are included because the actual reported totals are low qhich wpuld undermine the narrative so they simply claim they are higher qithout even incouding estimates from the experts they themselves quite in the article. They also leave the impression that the government stops at sign posters in its efforts to curb the problem by virtue of omission when in reality their efforts hace been pretty genuine over the past decade to improve the situation. In particular the seemingly universal practice of women only cars on high volume cars during the busiest period s of the weekday. Very odd they skip that.

 

[Tadaima]

Do you publish anything at all for women or gay men?

We specialise in "straight" content.

There are publishers which publish gay ero manga, where the target demographic is females. The best-sellers are almost completely uncensored, simply because there is not really to censor. It's really softcore. We have a stack of them on the bookshelf, actually.

I am not sure exactly what sells to gay men.

Interestingly, the readership of our magazines is comprised of a lot more females than you might expect. I don't think I can give the number, but it's high.

 

[LegendofJoe]

Seems like a common sentiment. But what does censored pornography have to do with it? Most of Asia doesn't even have porn. If you're pinning this on frustration(censored porn is the norm and would hardly lead to that) then legalizing prostitution would make more sense.

They should do both, sexual repression and fetishism of women as subservient sexual objects is the issue. A cultural awakening where it's made clear that women have their own sexual agency and don't exist simply to please men is needed. And uncensored pornography where that is depicted (women exploring and enjoying their own sexuality) is absolutely a healthy part of that.

 

[Sunster]

Pretty typical clickbait article. Lots of anecdotal stories to give the impression that an issue discussed is more than just common but widespread or even universal. Virtually no figures are included because the actual reported totals are low qhich wpuld undermine the narrative so they simply claim they are higher qithout even incouding estimates from the experts they themselves quite in the article. They also leave the impression that the government stops at sign posters in its efforts to curb the problem by virtue of omission when in reality their efforts hace been pretty genuine over the past decade to improve the situation. In particular the seemingly universal practice of women only cars on high volume cars during the busiest period s of the weekday. Very odd they skip that.

they didn't. it's in the article.

 

[Ratrat]

We currently specialise in "straight" content.

There are publishers which publish gay ero manga, where the target demographic is females. The best-sellers are almost completely uncensored, simply because there is not really to censor. It's really softcore. We have a stack of them on the bookshelf, actually.

I am not sure exactly what sells to gay men.

Interestingly, the readership of our magazines consists is comprised of a lot more females than you might expect. I doubt I can give the number, but it's high.

Sorry, for some reason I thought you publish ero manga for the west. My bad.
I know some women enjoy hentai and joke about tentacles. Always found it baffling.

They should do both, sexual repression and fetishism of women as subservient sexual objects is the issue. A cultural awakening where it's made clear that women have their own sexual agency and don't exist simply to please men is needed. And uncensored pornography where that is depicted (women exploring and enjoying their own sexuality) is absolutely a healthy part of that.

And that has what to do with censorship? Its still porn. Lack of it isn't going to change the content. And it certainly isnt the responsibility of porn companies to address social issues.

 

[Tadaima]

Sorry, for some reason I thought you publish ero manga for the west. My bad.
I know some women enjoy hentai and joke about tentacles. Always found it baffling.

We actually have a partner which distributes our magazines online in English. There is some crossover of tastes, but it's still quite a bit different.

 

[sprsk]

Kids do know. Train stations have 'chikan' posters all over the place. Criminals should not be let off the hook for such a widely known issue.
We need harsher laws, better security and to make it easier for victims to be able to report attacks without fear.

I guarantee you those stupid posters do not educate anyone on anything.

 

[King Tubby]

Pretty typical clickbait article. Lots of anecdotal stories to give the impression that an issue discussed is more than just common but widespread or even universal. Virtually no figures are included because the actual reported totals are low qhich wpuld undermine the narrative so they simply claim they are higher qithout even incouding estimates from the experts they themselves quite in the article. They also leave the impression that the government stops at sign posters in its efforts to curb the problem by virtue of omission when in reality their efforts hace been pretty genuine over the past decade to improve the situation. In particular the seemingly universal practice of women only cars on high volume cars during the busiest period s of the weekday. Very odd they skip that.

Mentioning women only cars during the busiest period would only reinforce that this is a widespread problem. In any event, they do provide figures.

Last year, Japan's labour ministry released findings from an unprecedented study, in which, of nearly 10,000 female respondents aged 25 to 44, almost one-third of women said they had been sexually harassed at work, with inappropriate touching being one of the most common problems. Fewer than 40 percent of women took action.

But yes, it is difficult to get data on this in a society that actively discourages reporting.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Pretty typical clickbait article. Lots of anecdotal stories to give the impression that an issue discussed is more than just common but widespread or even universal. Virtually no figures are included because the actual reported totals are low qhich wpuld undermine the narrative so they simply claim they are higher qithout even incouding estimates from the experts they themselves quite in the article. They also leave the impression that the government stops at sign posters in its efforts to curb the problem by virtue of omission when in reality their efforts hace been pretty genuine over the past decade to improve the situation. In particular the seemingly universal practice of women only cars on high volume cars during the busiest period s of the weekday. Very odd they skip that.

Got some stats to back this up then, since you blame the article for not citing numbers?

 

[Tadaima]

Japanese porn isn't the problem, it's a symptom of antiquated ideas instilled in the men of Japan about how women should be treated. Fwiw a lot of people prefer the censor because they don't actually want to see their fav jav idols actually having sex, ruins their pathetic fantasy.

These assaults happen because these men don't see women as people and they think as men they are untouchable.


It's a deep rooted cultural issue that goes way the fuck back. Japan's way late to the party on women's issues and most places still operate like this is the 50s.

To fix this problem you have to:

Educate people (kids) on rape. Don't dance around the issue and show what it actually does to people.

Create a safe environment for women to report these crimes and ensure the rapists are brought to justice.

Yes, stopping schools from requiring girls to wear skirts is helpful.

Yes, women only train cars are helpful. They need to be made universal and all day.

But you gotta do the other stuff, the hard stuff too.

I agree with everything you said except for the part about women-only carriages. Personally I don't think segregation helps or particularly highlights the issue. It could actually be part of the problem, in a sort of clap-your-hands-it's-done fashion.

 

[Frozenprince]

Pretty typical clickbait article. Lots of anecdotal stories to give the impression that an issue discussed is more than just common but widespread or even universal. Virtually no figures are included because the actual reported totals are low qhich wpuld undermine the narrative so they simply claim they are higher qithout even incouding estimates from the experts they themselves quite in the article. They also leave the impression that the government stops at sign posters in its efforts to curb the problem by virtue of omission when in reality their efforts hace been pretty genuine over the past decade to improve the situation. In particular the seemingly universal practice of women only cars on high volume cars during the busiest period s of the weekday. Very odd they skip that.

The words click bait are losing meaning more and more.

It's an article about an issue facing women and reflecting how they are treated in society and you're tut tutting it because you couldn't be bothered to actually read it.

Makes my skin crawl how sexual assault of women is "clickbait" to you.

 

[Always-honest]

What's with that obsession with schoolgirls in japan? Jezus, just look at the media (games, magazines, videos, etc) coming from there.

 

[Ratrat]

I guarantee you those stupid posters do not educate anyone on anything.

'This thing thats illiagal that I have constant reminders of in public is cool because my hentai says so!'
Well, I don't know what percentage are assholes doing something they think they can get away with vs confused people acting on porn fantasies(which society encourages them to?) but my bet is the former being the larger group.

 

[FrankCanada97]

What's with that obsession with schoolgirls in japan? Jezus, just look at the media (games, magazines, videos, etc) coming from there.

Sort of related, but why is it that most of the media I've seen of Japan feature high school settings?

 

[Sunster]

Sort of related, but why is it that most of the media I've seen of Japan feature high school settings?

Correct me if I'm wrong somebody, I think HS aged kids are the largest consumers of such media. They wanna see themselves.

 

[RMI]

Sexual assault is kind of vague here. For the ones in trains it seems way lenient though.
Hopefully...
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...ing-japans-archaic-sex-crime-laws-modern-era/

Though, given the culture here, most people who are caught will have their lives messed up pretty bad do the stigma of being a criminal.

thanks for the info. I mean, people who are convicted of sexual assault should have their lives messed up pretty bad IMO. It's a fucked up thing to do to someone. Clearly there needs to be a societal push to change the perception towards victims and also change the way men see women in general, but a good start would be putting punishments in place that match the severity of the crime.

 

[Polioliolio]

Disgusting. Thank goodness for the women only train car.

 

[Somnid]

Correct me if I'm wrong somebody, I think HS aged kids are the largest consumers of such media. They wanna see themselves.

Not quite. Certainly there is relation with some audiences but it's usually designed to evoke nostalgic feelings in older audiences. To many, high school is the height of being young and free before you enter the workforce and get busted with long hours doing things you may not particularly like.

 

[Mr Git]

Jesus this is absolutely horrible. I have now learned there are women only carriages on trains in Japan. That there's even a need for that is simply grim.

 

[Sunster]

Not quite. Certainly there is relation with some audiences but it's usually designed to evoke nostalgic feelings in older audiences. To many, high school is the height of being young and free before you enter the workforce and get busted with long hours doing things you may not particularly like.

That's interesting. In the US, early 20's is our most popular age group of fictional characters. We see that as the time when you are free to do whatever you want. Characters usually work but it's at a stress free menial job where they usually slack off with friends. A more serious future is implied to take place at least a decade down the road in some shows.

 

[Jeronimo Jones]

I've never been comfortable with the fetishization of schoolgirls/uniforms that seems to be a thing in some Japanese media but I didn't know how common actual assaults and rapes are, and in public at that.

I know people joke about how Japan isn't interested in sex but it's no surprise when a significant number of girls and young women have to deal with this kind of treatment daily throughout school age.

 

[Stencil]

When you have to have trains separated by gender, then yes, it's a huge problem.

Oooh, that's why that train car was pink... 😯 I was only on for one stop (recently visited Tokyo, male.)

Hard to read all that. I hope that it becomes less commonplace and that it becomes more talked about. Crazy how something like that becomes so pervasive. The patriarchal society aspect doesn't help, if I had to guess.

 

[4Tran]

What's with that obsession with schoolgirls in japan? Jezus, just look at the media (games, magazines, videos, etc) coming from there.

Sort of related, but why is it that most of the media I've seen of Japan feature high school settings?

Fetishization of youth. Not coincidentally, Japan has one of the world's highest incidence of child porn as well. Bear in mind that the possession of the latter didn't get outlawed until 2014.

 

[Mesoian]

They do have women-only wagons during rush hour. I ran into one accidently once with friends while rushing to catch the subway, and we awkwardly walked to the next one over.

Ha, I did the same thing.

 

[sibarraz]

I'm always amazed on how people in Japan does this freely on the subway.

Like, when I see anime scenes when this happened, it always caught my attention that in a wagon filled with people, the assaultant can do whatever he wants with no one noticing, it is really something that is accepted there?

 

[Ogodei]

Japan as a society has a high tolerance for predators, both of the sexual and non-sexual varieties (basically bullies in the latter column), because of the need for harmony. The person getting assaulted/bullied is frowned upon for making waves and potentially bringing embarrassment or loss of face to the school or business.

To those in authority, this problem is an incovenience for the fact that it happens, and the people complaining about it are almost as much of an issue as the predators causing the problem.

It's a society that takes non-confrontationalism to an unhealthy extreme.

 

[4Tran]

I'm always amazed on how people in Japan does this freely on the subway.

Like, when I see anime scenes when this happened, it always caught my attention that in a wagon filled with people, the assaultant can do whatever he wants with no one noticing, it is really something that is accepted there?

It's not accepted in the sense that it's explicitly illegal, but with similarities to rape culture in the West, the victims often get more scrutinized than the perpetrators. In Japan, the unspoken message is that the onus is on the victim to protect herself. Case in point, the women-only cars in the subway. While they may seem like a safe place, they also provide the subtext that if a woman don't use them, it's her own fault she got groped.

 

[Messofanego]

No wonder gamergaters and far-right people often bring up Japan as an inspirational country (thanks to their heteropatriarchal society and ethno-nationalism)

Women are sexualised and don't speak up much or fight back, there are no prominent liberals there, everything is about tradition, very little diversity. It's the perfect nation to idolise for them.

 

[justjohn]

Women are sexualised and don't speak up much or fight back, there are no prominent liberals there, everything is about tradition, very little diversity. It's the perfect nation to idolise for them.

You could say the same about most Arab/African countries yet they don't idolise them. I wonder why. 🤔

 

[Ogodei]

Women are sexualised and don't speak up much or fight back, there are no prominent liberals there, everything is about tradition, very little diversity. It's the perfect nation to idolise for them.

Strange thing is that there are Communists who have remained a fringe-but-noticeable party in the Diet for decades, but the "left" opposition parties barely qualify as left and were in power for only 6 of the last 60 years.

 

[Damaniel]

Disgusting. Thank goodness for the women only train car.

And shame on them for creating an environment where such a thing is necessary in the first place.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Never forget

American journalists have come to me and told me that my hentai scenes will corrupt American youth. Yet, you still have very little gun control in America, and kids have access to this all the time. You see in Japan, nothing happens, you can walk on the street in the middle of the night with a skimpy T-shirt or a mini-skirt on and nothing happens,

Cue all of GAF answering "Truth bombs!" "Smackdown!" etc etc. and lapping this shit up. But oh, it turns out that in reality, Japan's problems with sexual assault is so rampant that underage girls getting fingered in the train is actually common? Ooooooops...

 

[Sarcastic Poster]

It's crazy that if you're in Japan you can't turn the shutter sound on your phone camera off because of creeps in the street taking photos of random women.

 

[encephalon]

Never forget



Cue all of GAF answering "Truth bombs!" "Smackdown!" etc etc. and lapping this shit up. But oh, it turns out that in reality, Japan's problems with sexual assault is so rampant that underage girls getting fingered in the train is actually common? Ooooooops...

Yeah but what about guns?

 

[Figboy79]

Wow. That was really hard to read. I still haven't finished it yet. I'll come back to it when my brain has recovered.

Just fucking awful. What disgusting human beings.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

I thought this shit was widely known, especially on sites such as GAF. Stories on how women and girls are treated/viewed in Japan have been out there for a long time, it's extremely evident in their culture.

 

[airjoca]

If I ever visit Japan and witness something like this happen and punch the pervert in the face, will there be any severe consequences for me?

Because I don't think I could restrain myself.

 

[Jumeira]

Spoke about this in another thread, but sex with children isnt treated as a crime in the same way it is in the West. Lots of Manga and Anime portraying pre-pubescent girls in sexually provocative ways. Cafe's open for people to pay to hangout with children, from which sex can be arranged. The Cafe see's this as personal meetings and what happens at these meetings it's out of their hands (wink wink).