Bobby Roberts
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I find it hilarious when people come in here all cocky and shit saying it's only one way or you're wrong haha.
Apparently people don't understand how opinions work.
You're welcome.
I find it hilarious when people come in here all cocky and shit saying it's only one way or you're wrong haha.
Apparently people don't understand how opinions work.
I'm gonna include the movies as well, because why not.
Movies
1- Wrath of Khan
2- Undiscovered Country
3- Beyond
4- Trek 2009
5- First Contact
6- Generations
7- Motion Picture
8- Search for Spock
9- Voyage Home
10- Final Frontier
11- Into Darkness
12- Insurrection
13- Nemesis
In regards to the movies, I feel like the JJ-era movies get unfairly shit on and people have extremely rose tinted nostalgia goggles regarding the original timeline movies. Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country are fantastic movies and honestly they're the best stories to come out of the Shatner-era, TV or movie. Out of all the Trek movies, Beyond is the only one that truly felt like it captured the essence of the TV series to me. Trek 2009 is a solid fun movie with a really good emotional opening. First Contact is a fun action movie that you sort of need to turn your brain off to enjoy. Generations is great until the final act when the wheels totally fall off. The remaining TOS era movies are all pretty mediocre, including Voyage Home. Into Darkness is kind of bad but easily not the worst Trek movie. Insurrection and Nemesis were terrible movies for a great TV series.
And Code of Honor. Holy fuck. I know it's an early episode and they never get that bad again, but holy fuck. How does the TV series made around 1990 feature a more racist episode than anything in the series made in the sixties. That took some doing.
I'm gonna include the movies as well, because why not.
TV Series
1a- Next Generation
1b- Deep Space Nine
3- Enterprise
4- Original Series
5- Voyager
Movies
1- Wrath of Khan
2- Undiscovered Country
3- Beyond
4- Trek 2009
5- First Contact
6- Generations
7- Motion Picture
8- Search for Spock
9- Voyage Home
10- Final Frontier
11- Into Darkness
12- Insurrection
13- Nemesis
Next Generation and Deep Space Nine are too different to directly compare in my opinion, however they are both great TV series. Easily #1 and #2. Personally, when I think of Star Trek I always think of TNG first, so that puts it above DS9 for me. Enterprise is honestly a bit underrated in my opinion, seasons 1 and 2 are rough but seasons 3 and 4 are some legitimately great seasons of Star Trek and some of the crew is really likable. Season 3 of Enterprise basically takes the basic concept of Star Trek Voyager and executes it a million times more effectively. Original Series is ranked lower for me purely out of personal preference, I have a hard time watching TOS because the episodes are so different pace wise compared to everything from the modern era of Star Trek. Voyager is a great concept of a show that's executed terribly and has the overall most unlikable crew.
In regards to the movies, I feel like the JJ-era movies get unfairly shit on and people have extremely rose tinted nostalgia goggles regarding the original timeline movies. Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country are fantastic movies and honestly they're the best stories to come out of the Shatner-era, TV or movie. Out of all the Trek movies, Beyond is the only one that truly felt like it captured the essence of the TV series to me. Trek 2009 is a solid fun movie with a really good emotional opening. First Contact is a fun action movie that you sort of need to turn your brain off to enjoy. Generations is great until the final act when the wheels totally fall off. The remaining TOS era movies are all pretty mediocre, including Voyage Home. Into Darkness is kind of bad but easily not the worst Trek movie. Insurrection and Nemesis were terrible movies for a great TV series.
Seconded, except for the third season of Enterprise.TNG is the only one I ever really care for.
5) Enterprise
I've heard it gets better later on but I didn't get very far. That goddamn intro song did me in.
You're welcome.
You're not the only one. I kinda just expect it from you anyway.
The only question is whether Discovery will rise above the shit tier or not. I'm leaning towards not.Generally, Everyones top 3 is going to be TOS, TNG and DS9 in some order, and their bottom 2 will be VOY and ENT
TNG is the only Trek series that I think has a truly good/satisfying ending with All Good Things. TOS doesn't really have an ending. DS9 has that stupid. Voyager isPah Wraith stuff. Enterprise has the"we're home, gg, end credits".backdoor TNG episode serving as its finale
TOS series "ending" sucked (and was a horrible misogynistic mess), but the true end was Star Trek VI. Best trek movie ever with a great ending. Second star to the right and straight on till morning. Cast Signatures. Was awesome.
This is how I feel about DS9. Absolutely fantastic TV with a great cast and the strongest episodes. I love it, but in my opinion it sometimes forgot Star Trek is science fiction and not just space opera. Especially in the later seasons.I feel the need to add that TOS and TNG bring ideas from (good, smart) Science-Fiction literature to TV that make you think about sci-fi concepts - there are analogies to be found that makes us perceive things in every day life in different light and question ideas we thought of as normal before. Especially for children and younger teenagers this can be more than entertainment. Also some of the physics in TNG are cool for nerds and wannabe math geeks at that age, even if they're not exactly university physics-lecture hard sci-fi stuff.
This "exceeding pure entertainment on more than the intersocial level" is something you don't find much in DS9, which is why I think of it as a lesser Star Trek series, even though it's a damn good TV series that I enjoyed watching maybe just as much as TNG.
VOY is the opposite. It actually forgot there is more to Star Trek than the anomaly of the week. But if you like time travel, strange anomalies and the Borg, Voyager is definitely for you.
I'm a Wrath of Khan guy myself but Undiscovered Country's ending is great. Why did they have to ram TOS stuff into Generations
Yeah. Shame about Generations is that it could have been a great movie with a little tweaking.
Hell, this scene is one of the absolute defining Kirk scenes.
I actually think Generations is a great Trek movie pretty much until Veridian 3 happens, and then it goes to shit. That Kirk speech is pretty damn great though, no question. But Picard leaving the Nexus only to go to the riskiest situation possible plus the Enterprise-D jobbing to a TOS era Bird of Prey were really stupid plot decisions. And honestly I think sticking Kirk into the finale was a bad idea too. They should have just had Picard and Kirk meet in the Nexus, Picard returns to an earlier time to stop Soran, and Kirk returns to the Enterprise-B
The Nexus time travel stuff makes absolutely no sense.
The Data comic relief is pretty insufferable too.
Soran's entire plan is pretty unnecessarily convoluted. If he can track the entire path of the Nexus ribbon and even manipulate its course why can't he just fly a goddamn ship into it or hop in a spacesuit and wait for it to scoop him up?
"Time is the fire in which we burn" is a pretty badass line though
Not to mention the rocket going from the planet to the sun in like 3 seconds.
Man, that movie has some stupid stuff in it.
McDowell hamming it up is pretty fun though.
Yeah, there's no way the Enterprise shouldn't be able to snipe a sub-warp rocket from a planet that's approximately Earth distance from the sun
What did DS9 ever do to you?!You guys are going to hate me:
1. TNG
2. TOS
3. VOY
4. ENT
5. DS9
6. ANI
You guys are going to hate me:
1. TNG
2. TOS
3. VOY
4. ENT
5. DS9
6. ANI
Yeah, there's no way the Enterprise shouldn't be able to snipe a sub-warp rocket from a planet that's approximately Earth distance from the sun. Granted, there should also be no way that everybody on the bridge forgets how to change shield frequencies & a TOS era Bird of Prey defeats a Galaxy Class Starship.
The first two thirds of Generations and the final third of the movie feel like they were written by different people. That final act becomes incredibly stupid incredibly fast.
I've never really watched Star Trek -- I'm skimming the thread because I always think about giving The Next Generation a shot -- but I just listened to this song.
I think I'm done with Star Trek.
What did DS9 ever do to you?!
I'm so sorry.
For what it's worth, the rest of the franchise has excellent music. Some of Jerry Goldsmith's best work was done for Trek.
Religious savior garbage.