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Infernostew
Member
I wouldn't put it past them. It was bad enough that they actually showed her in Rogue One.
Maybe they can remove her for the special edition.
Infernostew
Member
They can do whatever they want not like I'm ever gonna watch Rogue One again.
BassForever
Member
CG Carrie Fischer for episode 9 please be excited
CloudyTuba
Member
They're cargo walkers. The giant orange cargo bay and fewer guns were meant to tip you off. Cargo vehicles tend not to be as well armed or protected as military combat vehicles.
I got the impression that the snowspeeders in ESB were badly underpowered compared to X Wings.
The X Wings were the trump card of the Rebels. A recently-acquired fighter made by some back-alley arms dealer daring/patriotic enough to sell weapons to Rebels, state-of-the-art and capable of overpowering the Empire's mass-produced Tie Fighters (when met with similar numbers) and being capable of bringing down Star Destroyers (when not being too badly harassed by Tie Fighters).
The AT AT is an all-terrain tank. It's designed for crowd control and smaller situations where you can't/don't want to use orbital bombardment. A WW2-era tank is a ridiculously impressive beast when you see one up close, but something like an F-16 is going to rip it to shreds.
The snowspeeder is a repurposed airspeeder. It's the sort of improvised armed resistance vehicle that the AT AT was designed to put down (minus some occasional Rebel victories that the Empire finds insignificant).
The X Wings were expensive and were needed to escort the Rebel Fleet in it's evacuation of Hoth (two per evacuating ship, IIRC). The snowspeeders were inexpensive and already set up for deployment on Hoth.
The snowspeeders were sent out to harass the AT ATs and buy time for the Rebel Fleet to evacuate. Using X Wings against the AT ATs would have been more likely to secure a victory (and left the Rebels able to pack up these ineffective airspeeders and take them with them, as well as save some pilots lives), but it would have jeopardized/delayed the evacuation, and the Empire would just send Wave Two of their assault against the Rebel Base. Playing to win would result in the Rebels digging in to defend themselves on Hoth, and the Rebels can't win in a prolonged battle against the Empire. It was strategically the right call to throw a handful of trash at the Empire and run away with the good stuff. Fight again at a time and place of their own choosing (especially considering that the Empire is stretched wide trying to enforce their hold on the entire galaxy).
brotkasten
Member
Don't forget the young Luke flashback.
At least by 2020 the tech should be good enough, that it won't matter if the actors die. We can always put their best face on some other actor.
QualityPixel
Banned
how'd it go? I missed the DR4 part and xcom is being played now.
Yup, some of them had huge gaps in the sides for stuff.
He was really hating the intro which lasted about an hour+ and was totally linear and scripted and FAR too serious for what a Dead Rising game should be. Didn't help that apparently the PC version is a bit buggy and he ran into a bunch of control issues, including the command prompts toggling between controller/keyboard like 10x a second, not being able to select weapons with the right stick radial menu, not being able to zoom in/out when trying to take a photo, and straight up not being able to drive the car with the controller at all- he had to switch to keyboard to get it to move at all. It was a hot, hot mess.
Tbh it's probably something that could have been fixed if he restarted the game, but you know how Rich is. He wasn't really enjoying it anyway and suffered the control issues to put him even more firmly in a "fuck this shit" frame of mind.
QualityPixel
Banned
So glad DR1 came to PC so I could play it again, game is a classic. DR4 sounds terrible.
brotkasten
Member
They didn't do one last year, which was probably a sign for things to come.
Hopefully they'll start 2017 on a better note.
Davey Cakes
Member
The Christmas Best of the Worst was agonizing.
The movies they've been doing for BotW and WotW are so damn bad. Before, the reviews seemed to focus on lesser B-tier movies with some absolute shit as well as some hidden gems but recently it's as if they've doubled down or tripled down on the most putrid garbage imaginable.
The movies they've been doing for BotW and WotW are so damn bad. Before, the reviews seemed to focus on lesser B-tier movies with some absolute shit as well as some hidden gems but recently it's as if they've doubled down or tripled down on the most putrid garbage imaginable.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Watching Dirk Gently and there's basically a Mr. Plinkett character... I almost wonder if Landis wasn't "inspired" or if it's meant to be an homage or something.
BassForever
Member
Hearing Plinkett try to say Naruto is amazing
plasmawave
Banned
Just give the movie a few more months and people will think RO is a disappointing movie.
I dunno, some people are still hailing TFA as if it was some sort of great movie. At least these days it seems like most don't deny how heavily it lifts from the OT.
Guess it'll take a while.
broncobuster
Banned
And in a few years, better than the then sequels. And so on.
plasmawave
Banned
If people are turning against TFA then it's going to happen to RO as well except this time the reception is already mixed to begin with.
BassForever
Member
What I'm waiting for is after the whole sequel trilogy is done a few years later when everyone goes "well the prequels were actually pretty good it's the sequel trilogy that's terrible"
I didn't think of it at the time, but there are quite a few similarities. Good show btw.
Only crazy people will say that.
Maybe TFA is just a great movie and there's nothing more to it?
I was wondering who you were thinking about.
And then it me.
lol
Or maybe it ain't that and is just another passable blockbuster.
I mean I'm not the one waiting for the "inevitable" backlash that looks like is never coming
BassForever
Member
Its already here with some people
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
The backlash has been happening for a while. Almost every mention of TFA has a group of people come out of the woodwork and bash it for the whole ANH remake stuff and how it's just cashing in on nostalgia and blah blah blah. Fuck, one of the big talking points of the most recent South Park season was the equating liking TFA to supporting Trump.
Zombie James
Banned
Boba Fette.
Plinkett reading YouTube comments needs to be a thing.
Plinkett reading YouTube comments needs to be a thing.
I'm going to have to disagree with Mr Plinkett on AT AT's in Rogue One.
If you look at the Empire's military (around the time of the Original Trilogy, which is the only time worth looking at), the Star Destroyers are Destroyers (but they don't Destroy Stars, the Death Star doesn't even do that, hurr durr). They're fucking warships. Designed to kill anything on the sea, and the Empire's preferred military tactic is to use cruise missiles to blow up anything that stands against them.
They've also got Tie Fighters and Tie Bombers. These are basically aircraft. And the Star Destroyer doubles as an Aircraft Carrier.
The AT AT's are tanks. All Terrain tanks. They call them Armored Transports, but with the guns on them being able to take out shield generators, they're clearly tanks that pull double-duty as armored transport for Stormtroopers or cargo or whatever. The Empire didn't anticipate using them on Hoth, they just found a shield generator that blocked cruise missiles and bombers, so they shrugged and sent in tanks, which they happened to also be carrying in the Star Destroyers. They're not walkers because snow, they're walkers because All Terrain.
It makes sense for a major Empire base with a planetary shield and Star Destroyers in orbit to have some military stationed on the ground. There could be a garrison. There could be tanks. There could be parked Tie Fighters. There wouldn't be a Star Destroyer, but that's only because Star Destroyers are too big to land. Nobody would expect the tanks or Tie Fighters to actually be used inside of the shielded safe zone, and Stormtroopers would probably be tanning on the beach if their supervisors didn't come along every ten minutes to kick their asses, but soldiers can really get ready in a hurry once the bombs start exploding.
And besides the logic of commonly being able to find parked tanks hanging around somewhere in a military base far from the front lines, the AT AT's in Rogue One were shown with their doors open on their massive cargo holds, meaning that the AT AT's at this base were actually being used for their named purpose, carrying cargo.
The complaint with AT AT's in Rogue One, like the complaint with X Wings in Rogue One, ties into the larger complaint that Rogue One has a fanservice problem. Rogue One is inherently somewhat fanservicey, but AT AT's and X Wings were used in a slightly more fanservicey way than they needed to be, and when surrounded by more glaring fanservice elements, it becomes hard to distill where one layer of fanservice ends and another begins, and the whole movie falls apart, dismissed as fanwank. Mr Plinkett would know this if he studied more animu.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
there's that stupid movement to redeem the prequels.
you can't make a bad star wars movie, i guess
as far as AT ATs go, i dont know if they made sense in Rogue One. should have only been AT STs since they are more like the standard tanks. AT ATs are for base assaults, more like artillery since they move very slow. AT ATs look like they are designed to obliterate stationary targets only.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
It's not just me then? I mean it's not just that it's an old grumpy old guy, but it's the voice that the actor does... it sounds like a Plinkett impression to me. lol
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I'd gladly take more bite-sized 10-minute Plinkett over the meandering mess that was the TFA review.
It's not really a backlash when it's the same people just shouting louder.
Spieler Eins
Member
Boba Feté ™
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
Oh, that was full on intentional (I mentioned it as soon he appeared in the 'OT' thread - sadly there was no real OT for this). Landis is a fanboy and when Aaron Douglas asked 'what's my character' he probably just pointed to Plinkett as a base. He made something great out of Gordon Rimmer as his own character though. The meta aspect just makes it more fun to watch.
Dirk Gently was surprisingly entertaining, with Dirk and Todd being a main draw for it, and that nobody knows wtf is going on. I felt excited for its new episodes, whereas I felt nothing but 'oh we have to do this now, sigh' for Westworld past episode six. Completely expectation reversal on those two shows, where one had an amazing pilot but failed to deliver on its promising aspects and the other had a zany, kind of messy, pilot, but completely delivered on its premise.
I was surprised Landis was able to pull that off, honestly. Very unexpected. (also, he got soooooooo lucky on Samuel Barnett playing Dirk, like holy shit. Can you imagine someone else trying to play that part? )
The fact that I want to talk about this show more than about AmazingMazingMazeWorld kind of says it all. Great music in both though.
On the different topic of Rogue One, Mark Kermode pointed something out I hadn't noticed yet, and that is the fact that for a relatively crowded movie in terms of characters, we are never confused where they are, why, or where they're going. Which is a skill worth mentioning. By contrast, TFA is a random mess of 'stuff'.
And yes, I fucking hated TFA because it was so boring. I get that people needed it, but RO is a far better movie than TFA is, since TFA is essentially a hollow party trick of pretending not to be ANH while doing exactly that.