Zuckerberg is not my best choice. I think I have made that clear.
My point is that liberals who don't vote for him if he is the candidate deserve what they may get (another four years of Trump).
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RNC raises millions more than DNC in July
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Zuckerberg is not my best choice. I think I have made that clear.
My point is that liberals who don't vote for him if he is the candidate deserve what they may get (another four years of Trump).
I hope so but I'm not so sure.
If he's your best choice against Trump.
Why would a liberal or someone who considers themselves on the left vote for Zuckerberg?
They might as well punch themselves in the face.
freeofgreed
Member
Lol why not? Who would vote for him? His defense of Palmer Luckey, him letting fake news spread through out his site which helped cost Hilary the election, and him letting White supremacists run rampant on his site will come back to bite him hard in an election. Not to mention dude has no political experience whatsoever. He also sucks at being in the spotlight. Dude can't even handle a regular softball interview without looking awkward as fuck. He would have a mental breakdown in a debate.
He wouldn't survive a Dem Primary because Dem voters actually want someone competent to be president.
To prevent Donald Trump from being the president beyond 1/20/21.
I hope you are right. I do not want him to be the candidate.
Right wing anger has always been far more potent and resulted in far more results at the ballot box than left wing anger.
The Hate Industry is vital in keeping the right wing heated up and there is no equivalent "Love Industry" on the left.
Big Green Anus
Member
Surprisingly not a bad idea. A lot of conservative people like Anime as well, so maybe this can convert around 10-15 percent of that base.
Herr Schwarz
Banned
Rev dr William J. Barber II is my pick for who should run as president.
America could do with a dose of the good book.
America could do with a dose of the good book.
Great idea. Make it moe Harambe to appeal to the undecided as well.
Herr Schwarz
Banned
The DNC will probably prop up someone like Tim Kaine. He's folksy!
I don't really like Zuckerberg at all.
However, if Zuckerberg somehow manages to win the Democratic Primary and becomes the nominee, I'll vote for him against Trump.
I don't understand why anyone who considers themselves on the left would want Trump to win again in 2020.
Herr Schwarz
Banned
I think it's more to do with motivating people that dont consider themselves the "left" to vote. So you gottah calculate whether Zucks boyface is going to inspire people.
Plus he's ginger I know that shouldn't be a factor but it'll probably factor for some crazies.
I don't even get why he's being pitched. I'd vote Tim Kaine over Zuck.
The Albatross
Member
The DNC is poorly led and a mess.
For what it's worth though, people are more compelled to give to a political organization when it is clear that they have a candidate, even if you don't like the candidate. While there's plenty of rumors that Trump won't run in 2020 or won't even get his party's nod in 2020 (or hell might not even be president by 2020), when you have a clear candidate, his supporters are more likely to donate.
When your message is "We don't know who's going to run for us... but give us money anyway!" you're less likely to get donations. I'd imagine the DNC w/ Obama in 2009 were well outpacing the RNC with its mystery candidate in 2009.
I wrote a couple weeks ago that I'm not worried about Zuckerberg running and winning, I'm worried about the populist who runs against Zuckerberg who will easily house him in 48/50 states.
For what it's worth though, people are more compelled to give to a political organization when it is clear that they have a candidate, even if you don't like the candidate. While there's plenty of rumors that Trump won't run in 2020 or won't even get his party's nod in 2020 (or hell might not even be president by 2020), when you have a clear candidate, his supporters are more likely to donate.
When your message is "We don't know who's going to run for us... but give us money anyway!" you're less likely to get donations. I'd imagine the DNC w/ Obama in 2009 were well outpacing the RNC with its mystery candidate in 2009.
I wrote a couple weeks ago that I'm not worried about Zuckerberg running and winning, I'm worried about the populist who runs against Zuckerberg who will easily house him in 48/50 states.
TheContact
Member
45 isn't running again. He doesn't even want to be president now.
He's boring. He's VP material at best, as he was on Obama's shortlist and obviously ran with Hillary.
I don't care how but Dems need to deliver next year or else we're going to be fucked beyond belief.
He will definitely run again if he's still the president then.
I don't think he likes being the president. But he would like be a quitter even leas.
Contrasting the DNC/RNC disparity with the DCCC/NRCC disparity.
Dem House campaign arm breaks record with $30 million in online donations
Dem House campaign arm breaks record with $30 million in online donations
Gonna boost this up again for all the people saying "DNC is a mess!"
And last month they raised twice as much as the respective Republican committee
Something something goes against the narrative.
Greigor The Fellhand
Member
well atleast we know russia is still injection tons of cash into the RNC
legacyzero
Banned
I tried to give Perez a chance. He's done nothing positive. And I'm saying that objectively. Of course I want the party to do great. I want it to be successful. But the party is still ailing from its issues from before the election. Bad optics, not talking about the issues that affect us all, even conservative voters that can lean democrat is they get a fair shake. Assuming that we had the W in the bag. Anointing a candidate with a lot of issues (regardless if you agree or not. I voted for her too).
The reality is in the money they're pulling in. They need new blood in that party. They need to have a message that isn't "RUSSIA!" That isn't an issue affecting everyday people. Outraging that Trump is a disgusting asshole is not an issue affecting everyday people. They're issues, sure. But it won't win elections. If the pussy-grabbing, journalist slamming, fanatical Christian, racist monument supporting, abortion sabotaging Republican Party still has a popularity rating higher than the DNC, you know your message is empty.
And to those criticizing Perez for touring with Bernie? That's just so disingenuous. If at the very least, it was an attempt to try and unify with the angry Bernie base, which is big enough to pay attention to, like it or not. You know- him being the most popular politician in America right now, like it or not. Even Conservatives like him unless they're coolaid drinking, Fox News viewing, "BUT VENEZUELA!" Talking point spewing dumbasses.
They need to start talking TO the voter, Not at them. And their new slogan is so HelloFellowKids.gif, it's deep-body cringeworthy. And it's very clear. Their stance on all their issue leans heavily towards corporate interest, and not the people and their needs, even though issues like Marijuana legalization, Single Payer/Public Option/free college are picking up steam with popularity on both sides of the political sphere. They need to uncleanch their claws from donors wanting handouts, and go directly to the people.
FreedomFighter
Member
The DNC is hopeless. Dems are in shambles.
Father_Brain
Banned
They were handed an opportunity on a silver platter to co-opt much of the small-donor Sanders wing of the party, and they threw it away because too much of the party couldn't handle seeing a Berniecrat with heterodox views on Israel at the top.
That was probably a better outcome for Ellison and the left, but not so much for the DNC.
That was probably a better outcome for Ellison and the left, but not so much for the DNC.
whyamihere
Banned
What's the point of reporting on just DNC fundraising without reporting on total fundraising for the DSCC and DCCC? Seems intentionally misleading.
Probably. The DCCC is out raising the NRCC, and most of our candidates themselves are out raising Republicans.
Probably. The DCCC is out raising the NRCC, and most of our candidates themselves are out raising Republicans.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
Got to have that narrative.
whyamihere
Banned
Like this?
I'm concerned about the DNC fundraising yet I find all of this incredibly misleading.
this:
Is the narrative. After that you do your best to work your way backwards to make that look true.
The Greek Freak
Member
After following Wasserman with Perez they aren't getting a god damn cent from me.
legacyzero
Banned
I don't know that that's a fair approach. I don't think Perez has prove that he is tipping any scales or acting unfairly in his dealings towards other candidates. Now when 2018 and 2020 comes around and he's out shilling for establishment candidates, when there are more popular Dem opponents in the primaries coming up, yeah, I'd sit them right next to each other.
I think the operative part of the post you quote was "didn't do her any good."she may have gotten more votes. Just not the right ones. Fuck they EC, I say
She had more votes.
The Greek Freak
Member
Perez wasn't even up for the position until the GOP lites paniced.
Even if he's just a centrist shit instead of a corrupt trash heap of a human like Wasserman his choosing made it clear the DNC learned nothing and doesn't want or need my money anymore.
So, to be clear, Obama is a GOP-lite?
Indeed.
The Greek Freak
Member
Half assed healthcare solution that isn't a first world system? Check
Bend over for whatever Israel wants, apartheid and basic human decency be damned? Check
Drone striking civilians just creating more potential jihadists, being a warhawk in general? Check
Mass deportation of non citizens? Check
Zero police reform outside of press conferences to cry at? Check
Prosecuting whistle blowers to an extreme degree? Check
So basically yes. Don't get me wrong as far as GOP lites go I like him. However I'm done putting my time, money, and effort into candidates that aren't even close to what I'm looking for. Being a moldy sandwich soaked in piss instead of a flaming plate of feces isn't enough to get anything beyond a begrudging vote. Money? Time canvassing or phone banking? Hahaha get fucked.
thezerofire
Banned
This is an essential misunderstanding of how the ACA came to pass
Real issues? like health care that was going on while Perez was aboard the party bus. Thank god Schumer and Pelosi was there
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
In the wrong states.
I imagine things might look a little differently if she spent a bit more time and money in the rust belt.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Gross misunderstand of what it took to get that very same healthcare bill passed, check!
Completely ignoring that Obama told Israel to fuck off in terms of strikes on Iran, and his administration is the reason we have a nuclear deal in place which Israel absolutely hates. Check!
How on Earth was Obama of all people a warhawk? Do you actually understand what a warhawk is?
http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/obama-record-deportations-deporter-chief-or-not
Anyways, your complaints are lazy and unfounded.
legacyzero
Banned
Now THAT I agree with.
What were any of them going to do in this GOP majority government aside from wag their fingers and shout "SHAME!" On the house floor. I would argue that it was the constituents and screaming at weak ass GOP members at their town halls. The Dems had little power other than "GOP BAD! REPEAL BAD!" Even the very people you mentioned said that.
But even worse, on that party bus, Perez showed his ass by touring with Bernie, but towing the establishment line, all while getting boo'd most of the time. Just a failed attempt to reach out to he Berners.
I'm with you on Israel. Obama handled Israel hilariously. BB was big fucking baby the whole time. Him showing up in Washington to whine at the GOP was fucking shameful.
But as for drone strikes? The poster you quote may have used the wrong word, but isn't actually wrong. Obama killed so many non-combatants with drone strikes, I'm honestly shocked we aren't calling it a war crime.
The Greek Freak
Member
The Iran deal is nothing compared to how we fund the consistent murder and starvation of Palestinians.
It's like fining an oil company a million dollars after they make1 100 mil breaking rules.
Two words: Supreme Court.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
It's like you have completely unreasonable standards on foreign policy. I mean he broke decades of policy to condemn Israel expansion
You complain about him being a warhawk, and then hand-wave the very agreement that is in place to specifically prevent a major war breaking out in the region. Not to mention him specifically not having a major intervention in Syria, or anywhere for that matter.