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Rock Band 4 announced for PS4 and Xbox One
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if they delay it they can't get money to start coming in to afford to put these features in.
adding online support for a game like this isn't remotely cheap, and if the game doesn't get proper support from the start there might not be enough money coming in to afford to add online without losing money. They need a steady stream of revenue in order to be able to continue to add features and what not.
You have to remember they aren't being backed by someone like EA this time, it's just them and madcatz against the world this time. They can't afford to put in expensive features just because a small percent of their user base wants them. They need to make the best game that can please the most fans possible for the budget they have and hope it takes off well enough to add more expensive lesser wanted features later.
superNESjoe
Member
Anyone know how old instruments are supported? I have wireless guitars, USB mics, and a USB ION drum kit for Xbox 360. Will USB devices, like my ION, work?
Scorpion Soldier
Member
Didn't they release their material on iTunes a few years ago? (Didn't know if you were talking about digital sales in general or just RB tracks.)
the wireless instruments are confirmed for both systems though xbox uses will have to buy an adapter to get them working.
the usb stuff is still not confirmed though usb mics should work no problem.
superNESjoe
Member
Good for the wireless stuff, needing an adapter sucks since I'm on Xbox, but if it's not rare or expensive that'll be OK. If I can't use my IONs I'm sitting this one out.
I'm sure they have alot of data backing up that online play wasn't used... I played hundred of hours of Rockband and whenever I tried to go online it would search forever.
I'm sure there were ppl that used it but when it's a small fraction of folks then it's really not cost effective in the beginning.
As long as it has leader boards.
I'm sure there were ppl that used it but when it's a small fraction of folks then it's really not cost effective in the beginning.
As long as it has leader boards.
You have to keep in mind the difference in time between the last Rock Band release to now.
A lot of the fanbase who grew up with the series is now in different places and relies on online more-so and not able to do couch co-op like they could back in 2010. Online Play for this type of game is a lot bigger than it was back then when Rock Band first emerged around the time Online Play wasn't really there yet.
Wow, that's a pretty shit move. Pretty much a slap in the face.
If they are able to get USB drivers working for last gen guitars, etc., I don't see how this should be difficult? The drivers are the long pole in terms of new development. Porting existing code for the unpacked MIDI should be pretty trivial. The code base is there.
They haven't gotten any USB instruments working. It's specifically wireless only at the moment. And that's due to MS/Sony's paranoia about USB devices working on their newest consoles
They did, yeah, and I asked them soon after, and they said the new edict didn't apply to them.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Not that I know anything about anything, but why is some Naughty Dog developer able to write a USB driver for fightsticks in his spare time but not Harmonix? The MIDI thing seems like probably something that is essential, especially if they are trying to bring back old players.
Will the old wireless GH guitars not work on PS4? They used a USB dongle
Edit: Just checked Amazon UK for pre-order prices and it looks like this thing is being sent to die. £110 for the guitar bundle while the GH:Live bundle is £85. The casual users will be all over GH with its brand recognition and much cheaper price of entry
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The Ps3 dongle works on PS4 iirc.
Who knows if Sony only allowed it to happen with fightsticks so far. I think they'd also want a solution that also works on the Xbox One.
Maybe they're seeing if they'll be able to patch in support for the old ones, or if they'll have to just make new MIDIPros for the One and the PS4 that communicate with the console wirelessly.
SolidusDave
Member
I hope there will be soon news that USB instruments (RB1 drums) will work as well...
Otherwise I will have the problem that I can't play as a full band and as the new drums are not sold separately...
Otherwise I will have the problem that I can't play as a full band and as the new drums are not sold separately...
I went ahead and pre-ordered the full bundle since it was 20% off and I don't know if my RB1 drums will be supported at launch (or at all).I hope there will be soon news that USB instruments (RB1 drums) will work as well...
Otherwise I will have the problem that I can't play as a full band and as the new drums are not sold separately...
I have GoodWood Mods Stealth drum heads on my RB1 set and I wonder if I'd be able to swap them onto the RB4 set?
Odds are, you probably will be able to. We haven't seen under the hood of the new RB4 drums, but I don't think they'll be that different from their previous iterations. It'll void any warranty that you may have on the drums for sure, though.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Will you need anything to get wireless guitars to work? A hub or anything?
Hopefully it will be similar, but I'll give the new set a shot first to see how I (and my wife) like them.
No concerns on the warranty, I don't usually do mods unless I'm fully prepared to eat the cost if something goes wrong.
GuitarAtomik
Member
I know the Xbox will need a dongle. Not sure about Playstation though I feel like it doesn't.
Xbox One will have some sort of hub for it, but as far as I know, Playstation 4 will not.
I'm hoping the new drums are good quality! I've gone through at least 4 drums throughout the years (thank god for friends selling off their Rock Band gear for cheap) and the GoodWood mods are something I always meant to try out but never got around to it.
As far as I know, the mods are just the pads with another wire that you replace the kit's regular pads with, right? I can't imagine that they'd change that much of the drums' inner workings.
At this point I'm probably going to pick up the guitar and game bundle and sell the boxed game to a friend because I really want it digital. I'll get plenty of my songs ported over at launch, too.
I know it's easy to point the finger at Harmonix for some omissions, but you have to remember they don't have the financial backing they once did at the height of rhythm game popularity. Like they've already said, RB4 will be a platform that will evolve over time - so if something isn't there at launch that probably should be, chances are it'll appear somewhere down the line.
I know it's easy to point the finger at Harmonix for some omissions, but you have to remember they don't have the financial backing they once did at the height of rhythm game popularity. Like they've already said, RB4 will be a platform that will evolve over time - so if something isn't there at launch that probably should be, chances are it'll appear somewhere down the line.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
blergh
so even if i buy it digital i have to wait. unless the ding dong hits stores before the game.
FlashFlooder
Member
I'm fine with them adding features like online and practice mode later... But it's going to put a huge damper on my enjoyment of the game if they ship without Midi Adapter support.
Also, really hope they end up allowing RB3 export. Too many great songs in that list.
Also, really hope they end up allowing RB3 export. Too many great songs in that list.
Yeah they were good, had this setup before getting the IONs. The goodwoods did last a lot longer than the standard pads and had nice feedback. Worthy upgrade.
chrominance
Member
I guess that's the thing, we don't really know how successful this will be and Harmonix doesn't have a ton of cash to keep things afloat if Rock Band 4 doesn't perform as expected. So it's entirely possible this whole thing will die on the vine before the features people want make it into the game. All we can really judge is the feature set Harmonix is promising at release, and I don't know how safe it would be to buy something based on a feature like MIDI/e-drum support that may never come, even if Harmonix wants to do it eventually.
I've actually been reconsidering myself if I want even the standalone disc at launch, considering the artists and tracks revealed so far do very little for me. To be fair, there aren't many tracks yet, but I think right now the list of existing songs that WON'T carry over to RB4 because of licensing issues is at least 10x the size of the list of new songs I'm interested in (dear lord, you guys lost PRETTY GIRLS MAKE GRAVES? how? why? what?).
The non-pro (ie. basic) wireless instruments for Rock Band 3 use the same interface as the prior versions. It was an RF USB dongle. At least that's the case for PS3. It is a USB device. Just like a wireless USB mouse / keyboard.
So if those work, as is claimed by Harmonix, my question stands.
All the PS3 instruments required an USB dongle.
I see that you said basically the same but better, that's what I get for not refreshing before posting
Yeah, my RB1 set wasn't working too well (lots of double or missed hits) so I went guitar only for a while. I figured it was either buy a new (RB2) set or get the GoodWoods which were a similar price I think (probably a bit more with shipping). I'm not a great drummer, but they are certainly a lot quieter with much better rebound.
It's been a while since I installed them, but I believe it was just a matter of taking the original pads off, switching the connector, adding some foam and putting the GoodWoods on.
R_thanatos
Member
Wait ? Is this confirmed... this is kinda huge for me .
Did you try it yourself ? or do you have the source for this info ...I MUST KNOW
nicholasbrutal
Epic Games PR Manager
Yes. You use the same wireless hardware on the PS3 as you will the PS4 (for Rock Band 4).
I saw it confimed by a Harmonix dev (Pope?) in an E3 video interview.
Old PS3 instrument dongles work, and there will be a standalone XOne dongle.
This is not in the interview, but I'm speculating that instruments would only be recognized once you're in-game due to Sony locking out old USB controllers on the system level and having to be sandboxed-in game. This is how the PS3 fightstick controllers work in fighters using the LabZero driver. So you will probably still need a DS4 for navigating and/or possibly pairing to a profle depending on how they set it up.
I would imagine gamescom would be a good guess for new info.
Gamescom, pax prime
Jawmuncher
Member
Is just the game available for preorder yet, with the 30 song preorder bonus or is that just bundle related?
Only preorders up in general are for the bundle, I believe. None for a standalone game.
Just the 2 bundles.....impatiently awaiting a game pre-order. Best case scenario it's a digital version of the game from Amazon so I can get the 30 song + 4 Amazon exclusive song pre-order bonus.
nicholasbrutal
Epic Games PR Manager
gamescom is a long time from now. We should have more to say before then.
gamescom is a long time from now. We should have more to say before then.
Many of us are eagerly waiting for more information about what you will do with online mode after launch. If it's something you have plans to add on later and how long it's going to take. Just some sort of confirmation that it's not lost forever would put many of us at ease. My bundle pack is literally just waiting for online confirmation before I press the pre-order button.
von Stroheim
Member
Here's what I need:
A bundle with the game and however many dongles I need to hook up 2 guitars and a set of drums for Xbox. (Have USB mikes)
(Will a single dongle support 3 instruments?)
I'm sure that's what most people with X360 instruments are waiting for.
A bundle with the game and however many dongles I need to hook up 2 guitars and a set of drums for Xbox. (Have USB mikes)
(Will a single dongle support 3 instruments?)
I'm sure that's what most people with X360 instruments are waiting for.
Pre-ordered the guitar bundle (also have the Penny Arcade Strat pre-purchased). I know I'll be happy with the game (still regularly rock out) and my old hardware is starting to deteriorate. I'm hoping I can get a set of drums separately as the full band bundle was a bit over my price threshold.
I'm curious how all the DLC will work. Old discs (RB1, 2, and 3)? LEGO/Green Day? Rock Band Blitz? Rock Band Network? I'm just flat out assuming Beatles is off the table.
I have songs from all of the above and it'd be awesome to get all that content right from the get go.
I'm curious how all the DLC will work. Old discs (RB1, 2, and 3)? LEGO/Green Day? Rock Band Blitz? Rock Band Network? I'm just flat out assuming Beatles is off the table.
I have songs from all of the above and it'd be awesome to get all that content right from the get go.
RB1, RB2, LEGO, Green Day, and Blitz should all transfer over with no problems (assuming you've already done the export to RB3) because the songs are recognized as DLC more or less.
RB3 has no export right now and is sort of in limbo. They've said they had no plans to do an export right now, but with enough support, they would probably do it. Their latest stance has been, "Stay tuned for more information."
Rock Band Network is up in the air right now. Don't get your hopes up.
Sadly, Beatles is more or less never going to happen, probably.