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[plagiarize]

why does the poor predator not get any tessellation?

 

[cyberheater]

God damn. Whats the tessellation count?

Don't know. Looks amazing though

 

[demolitio]

I wish that Dirt 2 demo was better quality. I want to see how different DX11 looks.

 

[cyberheater]

why does the poor predator not get any tessellation?

Or any of the scenery etc...

I wonder if the model needs to have a tessellator flag enabled for it to work.

 

[brain_stew]

Okay. Found some shots that demonstrate the hardware tessellator at work.


Wow

Hardware tesellation in AVP? Ah crap, looks like I'll need one of these cards sooner than I thought.

 

[M.Bluth]

Tentacle porn!!!

I'd love to upgrade sometime down the road... but that thing is enormous, I don't think it fits in my case... Hell my HD4870 barely fits, but that's probably because of the stupid power connectors at the end of the card instead of the side

 

[spazzfish]

Dirt 2 - DirectX 11 in Action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teE5wqT2DNU

Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X. @ 5760x2400
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzGtx...layer_embedded




Should up date the original post with the vids.

Ok that's it. I've got to get myself a multi-screen setup. 3 monitors and a new graphics card will be mine when these cards get on the market. I've just got to convince myself that upgrading my main system up to an i7 rig isn't a worthwhile upgrade from what I have or i'm not going to be eating for quite a while.

 

[marsomega]

Ok that's it. I've got to get myself a multi-screen setup. 3 monitors and a new graphics card will be mine when these cards get on the market. I've just got to convince myself that upgrading my main system up to an i7 rig isn't a worthwhile upgrade from what I have or i'm not going to be eating for quite a while.

Move videos here.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=17537469#post17537469

 

[artist]

If the 2GB 5870 is really $450 then that's pretty damn disapointing. Hopefully its $350/$400 for the 1GB/2GB models.

Why is it disappointing? You get GTX295 performance for $100 less with DX11 goodness and then some (Eyefinity) etc. You dont have to deal with multi-gpu headaches etc.

AMD came in at $299 with the RV770 because:
1) It wasnt the only new generation (GT200 was already out)
2) It was slower than the GT200

Now the situation is reversed.
1) AMD is the only vendor with DX11
2) 5870 is the top dog

Trust me .. if this was Nvidia, they would have priced it at $499 minimum. ($649 GTX280 says hi)

Move videos here.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=17537469#post17537469

Ask a mod (via PM) to close this thread.

 

[BattleMonkey]

So these new cards require a shit ton of new power cables attached to them? Assume this can be a problem with some older systems?

 

[MWS Natural]

How much bigger is it than a 4890..I'm not even sure that can fit in my SFF case =/

 

[Draft]

So these new cards require a shit ton of new power cables attached to them? Assume this can be a problem with some older systems?

Those are video cables.

 

[artist]

So these new cards require a shit ton of new power cables attached to them? Assume this can be a problem with some older systems?

The 5870 has two 6 pin power connectors so it should be fine with most PSUs. Max TDP is rated at 187W.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Those are video cables.

lol looking at it backwards

 

[spazzfish]

Move videos here.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=17537469#post17537469

Dude...just stop or i'm going to do something stupid and end up getting a six screen setup. I don't know what's wrong with me. I've not been this buzzed up about PC hardware since the first 3dfx cards.

 

[vertopci]

I hate those multi monitor setups. Those black monitor edges are so...ugly

 

[Draft]

Why aren't their "bezel-less" monitors, anyway? What does the bezel bring to the table? Structural integrety? Improved visibility?

 

[vazel]

That tessellation stuff is neat. Does that work on all games or does it have to be coded into the game?

 

[MrPing1000]

I reckon I'll get a 5870 once the custom heatsink variations start popping up.

 

[DieH@rd]

That tessellation stuff is neat. Does that work on all games or does it have to be coded into the game?

It has to be coded. And its not a miracle, cos all that new polygons that have been created must then be shaded. And amount of shader pow'a is not unlimited.

 

[xemumanic]

Why is it disappointing?

Probably because if nvidia wasn't late with their card, they wouldn't charge this much.
Not that this isn't a great price for what you get, nor is it shady, but business is business, and its a free market.
Nvidia charged $649 because they thought they could.

They'd do what they always do and have a much lower price and tons of rebates.

Just like I said earlier, I expect to see about a $100 price drop across this whole line once the 300 series comes out.

Also, ATI is holding back their x2 series, we've seen nothing about them yet. Those are the high end cards, especially a 5870x2. I expect to see that at $499 minimum.

 

[Robobandit]

Looks like they are using mini displayport.. which is cool.

 

[artist]

Probably because if nvidia wasn't late with their card, they wouldn't charge this much.
Not that this isn't a great price for what you get, nor is it shady, but business is business, and its a free market.
Nvidia charged $649 because they thought they could.

They'd do what they always do and have a much lower price and tons of rebates.

Agreed on all points, in fact I was re-iterating the same thing. RV770 came in lower because it wasnt the only and it was slower than GT200. Neither of this is true in this case, if it was and was still priced at $399 then it would have been a disappointment.

Just like I said earlier, I expect to see about a $100 price drop across this whole line once the 300 series comes out.

It probably depends on a lot of factors.
1) When is Nvidia going to retaliate with the GT300
2) Where Nvidia is going to price GT300
3) How fast/slow it is compared to GT300

Also, ATI is holding back their x2 series, we've seen nothing about them yet. Those are the high end cards, especially a 5870x2. I expect to see that at $499 minimum.

Yes, I expect the X2 to be $549 or higher.

 

[xemumanic]

Agreed on all points, in fact I was re-iterating the same thing. RV770 came in lower because it wasnt the only and it was slower than GT200. Neither of this is true in this case, if it was and was still priced at $399 then it would have been a disappointment.

Neither is true.............compared to the 295? If so, then yeah.
If not, there's no basis for such a statement yet.

Anyway, for lack of a better word (PLEASE don't kill me, my use of vocabulary is in the gutter ATM), I read that this new ATI card is a 'rehash' of their previous generation?

Meaning, this isn't a 100% new design like last gen?

 

[artist]

Neither is true.............compared to the 295? If so, then yeah.
If not, there's no basis for such a statement yet.

Yes, 295 is THE current top dog. I wouldnt compare 5870 to any non-existant products. If thats the case (which I'm sure Nvidia wants) then why not throw LRB into the mix? :lol

Anyway, for lack of a better word (PLEASE don't kill me, my use of vocabulary is in the gutter ATM), I read that this new ATI card is a 'rehash' of their previous generation?

Meaning, this isn't a 100% new design like last gen?

I've read the opposite that this is a big redesign like R520 -> R600 where as RV770's foundation was R600.

edit: RV870 is the biggest change since R600

 

[Hazaro]

Neither is true.............compared to the 295? If so, then yeah.
If not, there's no basis for such a statement yet.

Anyway, for lack of a better word (PLEASE don't kill me, my use of vocabulary is in the gutter ATM), I read that this new ATI card is a 'rehash' of their previous generation?

Meaning, this isn't a 100% new design like last gen?

Well it's similar, but they crammed twice the amount of shader on it. 600 -> 1200.

It's not a rehash like the 9800GT was to the 8800GT.
There are many changes to it.

 

[TOAO_Cyrus]

I think he meant to say, "The red is hot but I'm still red on the red. Go with the green if your green is still green."

Cool, but ATi is black now it seems :lol

 

[M3d10n]

Anyone with a HD 4850/4870/4890 (and *maybe* the 4600 line) and Vista/Seven can sorta check out tesselation in AMD's Froblins demo.

It's not DX11 tesselation (which is more flexible), but it should give an idea of the possibilities, first and foremost using normal maps to add true geometrical detail to models, unlike parallax mapping that could not modify the model's silhouettes and failed when viewed from steep angles.

 

[cyberheater]

Not sure if folks have seen these benches...

 

[derder]

This card makes me feel like I could somehow afford a 3rd monitor...

 

[Cheeto]

Not sure if folks have seen these benches...

[IMG.]http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/560/09091419595bbfa5d48c06d.jpg[/IMG]

i've got blood flow

 

[Durante]

Fixed version because I hate this type of distorted graph:

I consider this impressive enough for 5850, but apparently AMD don't.

 

[spazzfish]

Not sure if folks have seen these benches...

Ok what does this mean? What are the percentages representative of? and whats that red line of dashes representing?

 

[cyberheater]

Ok what does this mean? What are the percentages representative of? and whats that red line of dashes representing?

Well, the green lines represent the normalized performance rating of a nVidia GTX 285. The red lines represent the performance percentage increase of the ATI 5850.

I'm guessing the dotted red line is the average performance improvement.

 

[cyberheater]

Fixed version because I hate this type of distorted graph:
http://i27.tinypic.com/351hhrk.jpg

I consider this impressive enough for 5850, but apparently AMD don't.

I take it AMD aren't happy with the tests. How did you find that out?

 

[spazzfish]

Well, the green lines represent the normalized performance rating of a nVidia GTX 285. The red lines represent the performance percentage increase of the ATI 5850.

I'm guessing the dotted red line is the average performance improvement.

Ah thanks. Makes some sense now

 

[Durante]

I take it AMD aren't happy with the tests. How did you find that out?

I'm not sure what you're saying. My point was that the results are good enough already without using misleading charts to represent them.

 

[Cheeto]

I'm not sure what you're saying. My point was that the results are good enough already without using misleading charts to represent them.

Yeah, these benchmarks are good...not sure why they'd be ashamed of them. The GTX285 is a $350 card, the 5850 is going to launch at less than $300 isn't it?

 

[brain_stew]

Fixed version because I hate this type of distorted graph:


I consider this impressive enough for 5850, but apparently AMD don't.

So around 30% more performance for $50 less. Looks a fair deal to me if not the earth shattering launch we were hoping for. It would have made a hug splash if it had hit at $200 though.

 

[spazzfish]

Yeah, these benchmarks are good...not sure why they'd be ashamed of them. The GTX285 is a $350 card, the 5850 is going to launch at less than $300 isn't it?

Well the benchmarks aren't good because they don't tell us anything. They probably in reality look better in a chart like this then with actual figures.
For example with cod 4 there is nearly a 20% increase in performance shown by that graph which looks great, but if the nvidia card is only running the game at 40 fps then the 20% increase is moot.
Obviously i'm pulling figures out my arse for sake of example, but until we see actual numbers showing what the percentages represent, then we can't conclude too much yet.

 

[Cheeto]

Well the benchmarks aren't good because they don't tell us anything. They probably in reality look better in a chart like this then with actual figures.
For example with cod 4 there is nearly a 20% increase in performance shown by that graph which looks great, but if the nvidia card is only running the game at 40 fps then the 20% increase is moot.
Obviously i'm pulling figures out my arse for sake of example, but until we see actual numbers showing what the percentages represent, then we can't conclude too much yet.

You can conclude that it has an average 30% performance increase over the GTX285.

 

[brain_stew]

Dynamic tessellation in AVP3. Damn impressive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVo_5VCWIzM

No more LOD popin and low poly characters!! Praise the lord!!

 

[cyberheater]

I'm not sure what you're saying. My point was that the results are good enough already without using misleading charts to represent them.

I see what you mean.

 

[cyberheater]

Dynamic tessellation in AVP3. Damn impressive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVo_5VCWIzM

No more LOD popin and low poly characters!! Praise the lord!!

I knew this day would come

Fuck me at the video. So it's dynamic tessellation depending on the distance from the viewer. Loverly.

 

[spazzfish]

You can conclude that it has an average 30% performance increase over the GTX285.

True but then it's a 30% increase over it's competitor on average from what base numbers?
Until we know that then the graph means little until you can relate it more directly to how it will improve your games. If it takes you from 25 fps to average 30 fps in your games that's good also if it pushes your games to 60fps average again good but if it is just pushing figures from 30 to 40 or 40 to 55 then it means little or if it is pushing extra frames when you are already well over 60fps.
This sort of graph makes things look better then they are (probably) in real game performance.

However any performance increase is better then none.

 

[ChoklitReign]

Wow, that card excels with high AA. Gotta save up for one now.

 

[pestul]

Looks like my new setup is going to include a 5850 and a Core i7-860.