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Rumor: AMD DirectX 11 Card Performances, Prices Revealed, Surprisingly Affordable
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JUST A LIL EXPERIMENT: just give that kz2 or uncharted guys, a crappy "gaming" pc, say a low end amd dual core from 05, 1GB of generic ram, and a meager 9600GT, and see what happens.... AVATAR 2. THE RETURN OF THE AVATARS. IN 4D! Now... give that PC to any "competent" pc dev and see what happens... ILL TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENS! SHIT! LOOKS LIKE SHIT, RUNS LIKE SHIT. PLAYS LIKE SHIT OR DOESN'T EVEN RUN. GREAT! BUT HEY BUY HOUR NEW SHINNY HARDWARE! edit- my pc-s are much better than that, btw.
TouchMyBox
Member
UT66 said:
I don't think kneepads have anything to do with this conversation.
Firestorm said:Oh that was serious? He used KZ2 so I thought it was sarcasm. Oh well. Juniors don't get temp bans. I wonder what'll happen when a mod gets here
We will see, I was temp banned
few times
Regarding dx11, i will wait for price to hit 150euros for 5850 and then i will buy it. Or i will find one used.
BravoSuperStar
Member
UT66 said:
The hell?
Doytch said:
Yes, and i love you too. btw, my card has a higher price > $109.99. can i complain now?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102835
Or maybe i need to spend a bit more money first? That 4770 might seem like a crappy card to some - uneducated- gafers, but in raw power, the thing just shits all over any console gpu... and yet, there is no racing game like GT5, -a ps3 game- on pc.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
UT66 said:
Console development is where it is at right now for companies who want to maximize their profits. This means that a lot of PC games now days are simply upgraded ports of console games. Games that are developed exclusively for PC will rarely try to push the newest hardware. Why? It's very simple: not many people are willing to shell out tons of cash to have cutting-edge hardware and most companies want to get as many people as possible to buy their games. That is why successful PC game producers like Blizzard focuses on making their games run well on a wide range of hardware.
New generations of video cards usually come out at least once a year and prices are constantly being slashed on older hardware. There is no reason to buy the newest of the new unless you are an enthusiast and care about getting the best possible image quality with the smoothest framerates at extremely high resolutions. People buy this hardware to run existing games with amazing performance and to not have to worry about handling games coming out in the next few years.
I'm not sure why you seem to be so caught up on Uncharted and Killzone 2. Sure both games look great especially considering how inferior the hardware they are running on is to cutting-edge PC hardware, but it isn't like they are some kind of technical marvel. Killzone 2 for example runs at 1280x720 (perhaps even lower, I don't know...) at 30fps with frequent deeps below that. If you are a PC enthusiast, stuff like that just isn't acceptable.
Rapping Granny
Banned
Even though UT66 is crazy, I agree with the point he's trying to make.
Can we achieve DirectX10 bullshots before we move on into the next thing first.
Can we achieve DirectX10 bullshots before we move on into the next thing first.
gregor7777
Banned
UT66 said:
We all know about the 4770. My point was that you're complaining like someone who dropped $2500 on overpriced hardware and isn't seeing bang for his buck.
BTW, if as a junior you're looking to carve out the stupid niche as a way to define yourself here at GAF, you'll find that spot taken and the waiting line long.
MinnesotaFatz
Member
WOW! That thar was a quality melt down :lolUT66 said:
BravoSuperStar
Member
Rapping Granny said:
This doesn't make DX10 irrelevant or anything, it's just an updated version with greater flexibility. I think the reason we're seeing a new Direct X version so soon after 10 has more to do with the fact that version is so tied into Vista and MS realized that was a mistake.
Except the point he's trying to make is fucking stupid. Sure, if a developer out there decided to make a purpose-built graphical powerhouse game specially designed for the two highest-end GPUs on the market, it'd look amazing...better than anything else. But then it'd only sell to a fraction of the market...so they have to account for lower hardware and make the engine scalable. Not sure why this is such a hard concept for people to understand.Rapping Granny said:
I love the whole KZ2, Uncharted, GT5, whatever comparisons too. I'd like to imagine what the games would look like if they allowed the user to do stuff like this at will, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVOArOFm3oU Yes, we know all those games look good, but come on...you're playing in a glorified corridor.
gregor7777 said:
i been gaming on pc forever. trust me is more money that that. And thank you for yet another " u stupid". Thank you mister brilliant. BTW I just love the rules and vocabulary over here... junior? :lol wtf is that? like a polite noob? Try to tell me junior in the real world, and see what happens. (ill give you a big kiss)
Rapping Granny
Banned
Opiate said:
Activision?
ExtraKr1spy
Banned
KZ2 or GT5 gifs plz. that way we can all judge if those games are better than PC games
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Deleted member 17706
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UT66 said:
Resolution and frame rate might be irrelevant to you, but they definitely are not irrelevant to PC gamers who buy this hardware. This is especially true with anyone who owns a native 1920x1080 or higher resolution monitor.
Sure the g80 could do some crazy stuff if hundreds of companies focused solely on developing for that one card, but that just isn't going to happen on the PC. It is an open platform and there are many video card options that are constantly evolving. The consoles are closed platforms which is why developers have to do their best to squeeze everything they can get out of them. Being a closed platform is both an upside and a downside for consoles.
The benefits are that consumers don't have to worry about putting together some hardware, worrying about drivers, etc... They just buy the unit, buy some dedicated software and it works. This is why you have tens of millions (and sometimes hundreds of millions) of consoles getting sold over a generation where this would never happen with a specific video card or hardware set up.This is good for developers as well because they know exactly what hardware their software will be running on and the experience will be the same across the board.
The downside is that they are closed systems and there is nothing a console owner can do to improve how their software runs or customize their experience. This means that Killzone 2 may look great with all of its cool post-processing effects, you will never be able to run it at a high resolution with a respectable framerate.
Personally I will take PC gaming any day of the week. Playing some of the multiplatform games at 1920x1200 with high texture resolution, anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering with 60+ fps provides a much better experience than what you will get on the consoles. Mass Effect for example is really quite a different experience when you play it on a high-end PC compared to the 360.
BravoSuperStar
Member
Trax416 said:
Lol. Ya thats pretty much true. I guess it would be more accurate to say the advancements made in DX10 are not irrelevant.
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Deleted member 17706
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Opiate said:
Do you think Call of Duty 4 would have sold even half of what it did if Infinity Ward designed it exclusively for high-end PCs? How about any other multi-million selling console game?
BloodySinner
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As everyone else stated, UT66 is right. There really is no point in investing on super expensive cards when there is barely any software that supports them. Anyhow, I'll just hang on tight to my 9800GT and see what the future holds.
DodgyGeezerFella
Member
Opiate said:
Since the merger with Blizzard, surely ?
Zefah said:
This is irrelevant. It's a very important game, but it's a single game. You were talking about publishers, not individual games. We're talking about a general trend. You said that publishers are focusing on consoles for making a profit: I'm asking for examples. "Call of Duty" isn't a publisher. ActivisionBlizzard, the company which produced Call of Duty, is a publisher, however.
And AB makes vastly more money on the PC than they do on the PS3 or 360 -- far more than those consoles combined, in fact. Not only that, last year, PS3/360 were the third and fourth largest markets for Activision.
It's a pretty terrible example of your point.
Honestly the price doesn't mean anything until we see how it compares to other cards. But I am excited. I havent upgraded my computer since I bought my PS3 @ launch. Which means I'm still running a 6800 Ultra. :lol I WILL be upgrading this generation.
Glad somebody has noticed. lol But yeah, I couldn't stay away from gaf that long.SamBishop said:
mjolnirsbane
Neo Member
I just paid $400 for a GTX 285 Black not too long ago. Why do I do this to myself every couple of years? I'm with UT66, lol. You rock man, don't listen to the haters.
You just had the meltdown I *wanted* to have but couldn't.
You just had the meltdown I *wanted* to have but couldn't.
Uhh, You really only have yourself to blame...mjolnirsbane said:I just paid $400 for a GTX 285 Black not too long ago. Why do I do this to myself every couple of years? I'm with UT66, lol. You rock man, don't listen to the haters.
You could've bought a card that's good enough for half the price...
Heck, you don't even need to upgrade now...
mjolnirsbane said:I just paid $400 for a GTX 285 Black not too long ago. Why do I do this to myself every couple of years? I'm with UT66, lol. You rock man, don't listen to the haters.
How long ago? Even I, someone who doesn't even own a gaming PC, was aware newer, better cards were in the pipeline. Pay attention!
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Deleted member 17706
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BloodySinner said:
He isn't right or wrong. He just has an opinion.
I think it would be bad for the industry if hardware makers just stopped pumping out new video cards, processors, etc... Where do you think all of the evolutions in video game graphics come from? It certainly isn't pioneered by the consoles.
Honestly, it looks like what UT66 wants is simply a console. He wants companies to release hardware that developers will focus on getting the most out of for a certain period of time which he does not define. That is exactly what a console is. A hardware iteration is released once every 5-8 years or so and developers milk the crap out of that hardware until the next iteration.
You definitely get much better cost performance with consoles and there are cool moments at the end of a console's life cycle where you can say, "wow look at the amazing things these guys are doing with this [now] shitty hardware! awesome!", but I personally would rather have the option to constantly upgrade my hardware to improve my gaming experience and that is what a PC offers. It would be stifling to the industry if Nvidia and ATI, etc... just stopped releasing new hardware except for once every few years.
mjolnirsbane
Neo Member
Easy boys, easy... I wanted to play Total War Empires without a hiccup. Mission successful.
I can always throw the 285 in a back up machine and get the latest if it's cheaper. I could also SLI the 285 with another and that might be badass for sometime to come so I'm now worried about it... why are you?
I paid $389 at Tiger Direct about three months ago. At that time it was the best card for the money so I din't think I should be berated or told to "pay attention". I shopped for a little while before I bought the card and I love it so... should that frakkin upset? Nope.
I can always throw the 285 in a back up machine and get the latest if it's cheaper. I could also SLI the 285 with another and that might be badass for sometime to come so I'm now worried about it... why are you?
I paid $389 at Tiger Direct about three months ago. At that time it was the best card for the money so I din't think I should be berated or told to "pay attention". I shopped for a little while before I bought the card and I love it so... should that frakkin upset? Nope.