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Banned
I hope so. He was terrible.
Same, just an awful casting and awful scenes in BvS
Wonder Woman really carrying the entire DC universe on her back
I hope so. He was terrible.
I hope so. He was terrible.
Good choice, one of the worst performances in a comic book movie I can remember.
Yep, it was grating to a level I hadn't thought possible.
I imagine they thought they were being clever, rather than going with the obvious choices (Cranston for example), but there is a reason people said it was a bad idea...
Irritating guy was irritating.
One more reminder about just how lucky Marvel has been with casting.
With Snyder there was probably no direction. Just be smart and weird.The casting of Eisenberg wasn't the problem. It was the fucking direction he was given. They should just write the character out altogether and then have his father step in, intent on bring down Supes for imprisoning his son.
Warner Bros are absolute cowards.
Every time they try to do something they think will be safe they fuck it up, and then their response to fuck ups is to completely fold under pressure and cause themselves to fuck up even more.
It's THEIR fault BvS was rushing headlong to get to Avengers Assemble super team territory, it's THEIR fault the film was grim dark and dominated by Batman, and all these stories we hear about production disruption, rewrites and tumult - are directly because of Warner Bros management. And people like Geoff Johns and David Ayer.
Patty Jenkins' Wonder Woman is the first success they've had, but they've already set about undermining the shared universe they were trying to build in the first place. Batfleck, who - wanton murder aside - was the best thing about BvS, is now so disillusioned with what's going on he's not directing the standalone Batman movie, Warner Bros are messing up their already muddy shit puddle of a DC universe by saying they're going to explore elseworlds and spinoffs, before they've even got the core franchises right.
Snyder was never the problem. I feel sorry for him, especially with the pressure he's endured at a difficult time in his life. The problem is that Warner Bros aren't as clever or as patient with their gambles and failures as Disney are.
Disagree. He put his name on it. Those are his movies.Snyder was never the problem. I feel sorry for him, especially with the pressure he's endured at a difficult time in his life. The problem is that Warner Bros aren't as clever or as patient with their gambles and failures as Disney are.
Disagree. He put his name on it. Those are his movies.
Same, just an awful casting and awful scenes in BvS
Wonder Woman really carrying the entire DC universe on her back
The casting of Eisenberg wasn't the problem. It was the fucking direction he was given. They should just write the character out altogether and then have his father step in, intent on bring down Supes for imprisoning his son.
I don't blame Eisenburg, or Snyder. So many people blame Snyder for a movie with like a dozen producers including his own wife and Christopher Nolan. Like video games, collaborative failures hand out collaborative blame. You want to knee-jerk blame the director, that's what his name is there for: so everyone else can move on and keep working. I should think you quit doing that once you learn a bit more about the process.
Eisenburg the actor gave it his all. The flaws were all in concept and character. Plenty of reviewers pointed out that if Eisenburg hadn't brought a quirkier interpretation to the character, literally everyone in the movie would have been dour and joyless. At least his Luthor enjoyed playing his part in the story.
Most of the irritation with Eisenburg's performance has to do with:
- Plot contrivances that focus him on the "Meta-Human Thesis" and explaining the source of all our old myths to get some Kryptonite instead of just emphasizing the government's powerless as Metropolis had been destroyed 18 months earlier, and the week before in Africa.
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You had to read a Dr. Pepper promotional lead-in comic tie-in to find out that Lex lost any building of his own in Zod & Supes final battle. This is entirely a result of the studio rush to launch "The Big Team-Up," forcing that awkward Meta-Human thesis into the movie in like three different awkward ways.
- Unfavorable comparisons to previous Lex Luthors, and the general audience's lack of familiarity with the concept and character of Alexander Luthor, and the scripts ambiguity as to which actual Luthor this kid actually is.
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If original Lex had been killed in the Zod/Super battle, than Eisenburg's character could have actually had *gasp* a motivation. What's more DC would have pulled this off mere months before Civil War came in with the same motivation for their similarly-unrecognizable MCU version of Baron Zemo (about which no one complained, since the character's motivation made sense).
- Shying away from the inspiration. They cast him as a quirky young genius billionaire mad scientist to capture some of the success and clout of The Social Network. Even further, to maybe capture some of the fear arising at all the brash young silicon valley (and Cambridge Analytica) tech execs willing to unleash any technology first and see what happens later. But Lex's only skill turns out to be political manipulation, and his only noteworthy hack seem to be fooling an improbably-present fingerprint scanner.
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Maybe if they made him more of an actual Zuckerberg character, people would have resented his coming up with Logo Cover Images for his Meta-Human Thesis playlist.
The casting of Eisenberg wasn't the problem. It was the fucking direction he was given.
People moved on from the Black Zero event, Shit was handled, Statues were erected, case closed. Were there after effects YEAH! But for the most part people went on with there lives. Hell Jenny and Perry were almost killed yet they seemed fine. Life goes on.
Good.
He was easily the worst part of BvS.
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He was easily the worst part of BvS.
ExceptEvery part of BvS was the worst part.
A petty and jealous tech genius business mogul with desires to tear down Superman because he resents what he feels his existence means to his own worldview. It's literally Lex Luthor at his most defining. Only now he's also a physical opposite foil to Superman himself, small and feeble, rather than the tall and lumbering businessman he's usually shown as.
Eisenberg was badly miscast.
He simply never had the gravitas to have a chance of approaching Lex Luthor. He doesn't even have the right voice - it isn't commanding.
The direction didn't help but I've seen no evidence that he was ever capable of portraying Lex Luthor.
You've never seen The Social Network? Weird. You should get on that.
I've seen it. It's a performance that entirely lacks the social warmth that is characteristic of Luthor. It's nothing like Lex Luthor in many ways, really.
Good.
He was easily the worst part of BvS.
Plenty of versions of Lex lack social warmth. I'm pretty partial to animated Lex, and he's not particularly warm in that show. That's the problem I have with these discussions of whether an actor "really fits" these characters. There are core tenants of any given character, sure. However, these characters have been imagined and re-imagined in so many different ways that just because a take doesn't reflect your personal interpretation of the character, doesn't mean that the take can't be as equally valid. Part of the fun of superheroes is the various interpretations.
'66 Batman is just as valid a take on Batman as Dark Knight Returns Batman or as Batman Beyond, for example.
Every part of BvS was the worst part.
Eisenberg was badly miscast.
He simply never had the gravitas to have a chance of approaching Lex Luthor. He doesn't even have the right voice - it isn't commanding.
The direction didn't help but I've seen no evidence that he was ever capable of portraying Lex Luthor.
I don't blame Eisenburg, or Snyder. So many people blame Snyder for a movie with like a dozen producers including his own wife and Christopher Nolan. Like video games, collaborative failures hand out collaborative blame. You want to knee-jerk blame the director, that's what his name is there for: so everyone else can move on and keep working. I should think you quit doing that once you learn a bit more about the process.
Eisenburg the actor gave it his all. The flaws were all in concept and character. Plenty of reviewers pointed out that if Eisenburg hadn't brought a quirkier interpretation to the character, literally everyone in the movie would have been dour and joyless. At least his Luthor enjoyed playing his part in the story.
Most of the irritation with Eisenburg's performance has to do with:
- Plot contrivances that focus him on the "Meta-Human Thesis" and explaining the source of all our old myths to get some Kryptonite instead of just emphasizing the government's powerless as Metropolis had been destroyed 18 months earlier, and the week before in Africa.
![]()
You had to read a Dr. Pepper promotional lead-in comic tie-in to find out that Lex lost any building of his own in Zod & Supes final battle. This is entirely a result of the studio rush to launch "The Big Team-Up," forcing that awkward Meta-Human thesis into the movie in like three different awkward ways.
- Unfavorable comparisons to previous Lex Luthors, and the general audience's lack of familiarity with the concept and character of Alexander Luthor, and the scripts ambiguity as to which actual Luthor this kid actually is.
![]()
If original Lex had been killed in the Zod/Super battle, than Eisenburg's character could have actually had *gasp* a motivation. What's more DC would have pulled this off mere months before Civil War came in with the same motivation for their similarly-unrecognizable MCU version of Baron Zemo (about which no one complained, since the character's motivation made sense).
- Shying away from the inspiration. They cast him as a quirky young genius billionaire mad scientist to capture some of the success and clout of The Social Network. Even further, to maybe capture some of the fear arising at all the brash young silicon valley (and Cambridge Analytica) tech execs willing to unleash any technology first and see what happens later. But Lex's only skill turns out to be political manipulation, and his only noteworthy hack seem to be fooling an improbably-present fingerprint scanner.
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Maybe if they made him more of an actual Zuckerberg character, people would have resented his coming up with Logo Cover Images for his Meta-Human Thesis playlist.
You've never seen The Social Network? Weird. You should get on that.
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I'd also like to add that it's why Zemo's motivation resonated more with audiences than Lex's.
Nekketsu Kõha;246980212 said:It was a huge blunder especially with Trump getting elected president.
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You know, I enjoyed BvS waaaay more than most of the people on this board, and even I have had just about enough of people leaping through any logical fallacy necessary to nullify any criticism of it.
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People not being over the Black Zero event is literally the premise of the film.
I kinda agree with both of you. It was handled in the way that statues were erected and whilst Superman is generally well liked as evidence by the statue and mountains of good publicity from the Daily Planet and news reports. It was only after Lex did the false flag(s) and Wallace Keefe stuff did public opinion start to change.
I agree with all this.
I dig drawing the parallels, but I mean, the actual plot of BvS involved non-charismatic tech genius Alexander Luthor manipulating events and fake news to discredit both Superman and Batman. He's more of a Palmer Lucky, trollface, alt-righty personality, but more dangerous in that he's an unstable genius. Like an evil young Bannon with Cambridge Analytica skills built-in. This could have worked with some demonstration of any actual frightening hacking or manipulating skill, culminating in something to his actual benefit or profit--a better crescendo than Granny's Peach Tea and blowing up Congress needlessly.
Instead, backroom politics gave him a Doomsday weapon before Senator Finch even gave him an answer about a coupla rocks he already stole. The piublic seemed to turn on and off Superman on a whim and a dime. And since Lex enacted all his plots, including blowing up congress, using a totally unique metal that can only be traced to him (not vibranium!!), I guess he just decided "fuck it, let's blow this whole thing up and ally with Apocalypse."
Come to think of it, that tracks with Trump. I bet if you did a photoshop mashup properly with BvS Lex Luthor and BvS Doomsday it would look kind of like Trump.