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[Oni Jazar]

What difference can we expect visually with with 6.5GB compared to 1.5?

I think we need a new thread for this.

 

[Dragon1893]

What difference can we expect visually with with 6.5GB compared to 1.5?

5 x better graphics?

lol, time will tell, all this speculation is a tremendous waste of energy.

 

[gaming_noob]

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Faster loading, larger levels...that's what next gen means to me. This gon be gud.

 

[Demon Ice]

His post says 1.5GB was used for graphics though. That would be a strange way to phrase it as the total system memory.

The developer said the devkits only had 1.5 GB available for graphics. So it's not like they had access to more memory and only chose to use 1.5 GB of it.

 

[ape2man]

ill ask @guerrilla, i know a guy there.

The developer said the devkits only had 1.5 GB available for graphics. So it's not like they had access to more memory and only chose to use 1.5 GB of it.

never mind.

 

[rdrr gnr]

Hey, GG, why don't you confirm this? I don't even know who their community manager is.

 

[Meccanical]

No wonder it looked so bland.

 

[Paches]

More sparks

I won't rest until we get enough sparks in our games.

 

[Sandfox]

Where are you guys getting 6.5?

4 ram total - 1.5 ram for games = 2.5 ram reserved for whatever Sony is planning and 8 - 2.5 = 5.5 ram for games now or am I just missing something?

 

[Exuro]

So everyone is mistaking this with the 8GB then?

From what i understand, the 8gbs is just system memory that sony just happened to upgrade to DDR5 over the DDR3 of today's PCs.

No. It was always GDDR5 unified ram and they upped it from 4 to 8.

 

[Gamer @ Heart]

According to recent RAMGAF 6.5GB more is a lot of power! I'm guessing PS5 will just go with 256GB of GDDR10 and just exclude the CPU and GPU. I mean, they do nothing, since gaming is now powered exclusively by RAM.

Lets explore this more in a speculation thread!

 

[MYE]

"Playstation 4, unlock the power of 4 more the RAMs!"

 

[Dead Prince]

No wonder it looked so bland.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Higher resolution textures, faster load times, more efficient streaming of large levels, more diverse animations. Might increase AA. So not a mindblowingly night and day difference from what we saw in the announcement trailers, but subtle improvements.

When you say "higher resolution textures", extra 5GB of VRAM is like going from Skyrim's vanilla stuff to Quarl's packs. It's going to be a huge difference if utilized properly.

 

[thuway]

Jan 2013. Sure there wasnt a date everyone got a new kit.

September is when kits started shipping with 4 GB, but this is the first I'm hearing its January. Shit must be real cray for dev's if it's 8 GB from 1.5...

 

[Kareha]

It's all about the ROM though.

 

[apana]

Keep in mind that this is a rumor for now, because there is no direct confirmation from GG or Sony about the devkits.


I'm not really a tech guy, so what can an additional 5GB of VRAM do for games?

They can solve world hunger, decrease CO2 emissions, or maybe discover faster than light travel?

Spoiler

make developers happy

RAM thread?

RAM thread.

dudebro RAM

It's the future.

 

[toddhunter]

It's the future.

The part about heaps of RAM people tend to miss is it isn't just that great devs will be able to use it all...it is devs who are not so great will still be able to make something that actually works.

 

[DSN2K]

just think what games will look and move like in a few years after launch..

 

[XiaNaphryz]

When you say "higher resolution textures", extra 5GB of VRAM is like going from Skyrim's vanilla stuff to Quarl's packs. It's going to be a huge difference if utilized properly.

6.5 GB for video memory, 1.5 GB for the rest of the system to fight over.

Seriously people, what the hell?

 

[alr1ght]

 

[Unspeakable Evil]

PS4 was only using 18% of it's maximum power.

What's the PS4's final form?

 

[CSX]

No. It was always GDDR5 unified ram and they upped it from 4 to 8.

ahh i see.

This kinda explains all these ram threads then lol...

 

[fabricated backlash]

So we're done counting pixels this gen, now we're counting RAM.

Next Gen is truly upon us.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

RAMER: Killzone SF will be the spiritual sequel to KZ4

 

[Ploid 3.0]

RAM thread?

RAM thread.

You seem very pissed. You should take a break from the forums if it bothers you that much.

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[XiaNaphryz]

So we're done counting pixels this gen, now we're counting RAM.

Next Gen is truly upon us.

2 GB of system RAM was fine all along, we just needed to have 6 GB available for video textures it seems.

 

[rockx4]

6.5 GB for video memory, 1.5 GB for the rest of the system to fight over.

Seriously people, what the hell?

lol, 6.5GB for video memory, good thing the OS has no overhead. We should tag all these threads. In 10 years when we look back to the "RAM days", it'll be a good laugh.

 

[MoonLightWave]

Tbh, why would a devkit have the same amout of RAM as a SKU? All this built with 4GB RAM crap is weird.

 

[polyh3dron]

WTF is wrong with talking about random access memory and how it plays into console performance? Why are some of you people acting so fucking stupid about it?

 

[DrSlek]

GUYS! Guys!

What if.....Sony combined the power of the Cell, with the power of the RAM?

I know, I know...I just blew your fucking minds!

 

[Voice of Reason]

How many gigglebops of rambus bus speed is that?

For some reason this made me laugh really hard.

 

[MYE]

If Goku was a console, how many RAMs would he have?

 

[-tetsuo-]

PS4 hasn't even powered up to its final form yet.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

6.5 GB for video memory, 1.5 GB for the rest of the system to fight over.

Seriously people, what the hell?

Devs could do that if they chose to. If the Killzone demo ran with 1.5GB of VRAM on 4GB dev kits, which means that the game logic works on 2.5GB of RAM, they could allocate the extra VRAM to textures. What exactly is the matter here? Do you even understand how UMA works?

 

[Ran rp]

How many gigglebops of rambus bus speed is that?

hahahahahah, oh man.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

Previous rumours said Sony had reserved 512MB RAM for system use.

Suddenly it is 2.5GB if this guy is to be believed.

Sounds like BS to me.

 

[vg260]

8 gigabizzleflizzleflazzle

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Keep in mind that this is a rumor for now, because there is no direct confirmation from GG or Sony about the devkits.

http://beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1712366&postcount=111

That's a strange statement, since all the devkits allegedly had 8 GB of RAM. So let's presume that half of that was reserved for tools and debugging, that still leaves us with 4 GB. A part of that was reserved for the system (rumors point to 512 MB), with the rest being available to games. If PS4 didn't have unified memory, having "1.5 GB usable for graphics" would make some sense, the rest could then be dedicated to CPU tasks. However, PS4 does have unified memory so having a fixed amount dedicated to graphics doesn't really ring true. Unless the amount reserved for OS tasks used to be 2.5 GB, not 512 MB, and that also sounds nebulous.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Tbh, why would a devkit have the same amout of RAM as a SKU? All this built with 4GB RAM crap is weird.

Early devkits would see a varying config until things get final, but usually devkits end up with more memory than the retail units for obvious reasons.

Devs could do that if they chose to. If the Killzone demo ran with 1.5GB of VRAM on 4GB dev kits, which means that the game logic works on 2.5GB of RAM, they could allocate the extra VRAM to textures. What exactly is the matter here? Do you even understand how UMA works?

Developers have long been clamoring that 2 GB of system memory isn't enough, and now we're to expect that they'd be fine with less than that while we fill the majority of the memory space with textures? That's the vibe I'm getting from the thread anyway.

 

[Czigga]

The feel of 8gb DDR5

 

[sono]

Is it a complex change to a game engine to scale its features to benefit from more ram.

 

[Sub_Level]

What's the PS4's final form?

When it uses all RAM you will be able to actually feel the physics of the games in real time. PS4 with Gaikai will stream the Earth's macro data to your console. So when wind blows in the game it will blow your hair as well.

 

[MikeE21286]

8 gigabizzleflizzleflazzle

hahahaha

I laughed at that way too much

 

[KojiKnight]

I fully expect a non-interactive tech demo to not use that much ram... Hell, the entire demo probably was loaded into ram... a 1.5GB demo wouldn't be anything amazing, but if you put it all in ram and then floated that number to people, it sure makes it sound like you could make a 5x better looking game doesn't it?


In other words, it's likely very true but intentionally skewed to make it sound more impressive than it is.

 

[CLEEK]

We can assume than that 1.5 GB will be used for OS? 6.5 GB for games- fuck me, that's more than 4 times available memory. Elmental demo am cry?

How did you come to those numbers? The only rumours so far are the OS uses 512MB. Now that Sony have doubled the RAM, they might want some of this for more OS features, but their internal OS team would have been working towards a specific footprint for a long time. If they can fit all their features into half a gig, there would be little reason to reserve more than required, to free up as much of the RAM for games as possible.

 

[i-Lo]

Devs could do that if they chose to. If the Killzone demo ran with 1.5GB of VRAM on 4GB dev kits, which means that the game logic works on 2.5GB of RAM, they could allocate the extra VRAM to textures. What exactly is the matter here?

Actually, according to the Eurogamer article, much like this gen, devs were simulating ~4GB with 8GB dev kits. So the natural assumption would be that 1.5GB limit was imposed to work within the earlier parameters.

This does make me ask, is it not ideal to have more RAM in dev kits than retail units? If so, is it reasonable to assume that the final dev kits which will out this summer will take care of it?

EDIT: I just realized that given 8GB will NOT be available to dev, they get away with having 8GB in the dev kit.

 

[antonz]

Its a corridor shooter. Everything up close is made to look nice but once you get out of the corridor its all low polygon buildings using dof and other tricks to make them look a lot better than they do.

 

[DSN2K]

been mentioned already but yeah anyone who's played about with modding Skyrim on PC with HD Texture packs and ENB post processing effects will tell you vram is king, more of it the better.

 

[Conciliator]

WTF is wrong with talking about random access memory and how it plays into console performance? Why are some of you people acting so fucking stupid about it?

Conversation and obsession are different things entirely.