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Rumor - Steam to Allow Game Borrowing
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Sentenza
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Well, it was a rumored feature for the last two years, actually.
But, you know, Valve time and everything.
Unknown Soldier
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You could always do that in real life with disc-based games. Sales of disc-based games aren't crippled.
Marmaladefire
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Valve just wants to stop being associated with the X1 situation, obviously.
No, this would actually be awesome!
No, this would actually be awesome!
That would be cool,since the EU gave Valve last year or the year before that the consumer has his right to do with there games what they want.
*sigh* still comparing to Xbone i see in this thread. But Xbone doesn't have mods,infinite backwards compatibility,purchase games everywhere for low low price and a community that makes things in the workshop or even badges.
But hey they have at least have Titanfall right?
*sigh* still comparing to Xbone i see in this thread. But Xbone doesn't have mods,infinite backwards compatibility,purchase games everywhere for low low price and a community that makes things in the workshop or even badges.
But hey they have at least have Titanfall right?
Individually you will buy less but as group you will potentially buy more.
KillerTravis
Banned
Well, at least we can thank the Xbone for something. 
Yup and is genreally exploited since their are no checks.
Publishers point of view, its good if its always online like xbox.
So most likly this feature will have online checks
Yeah, but unfortunately Steam then made the change from Buying to Borrowing in the ToS. So technically they only let you borrow the games you purchase, I think to prevent legal stuff from biting them in their ass
It was probably already mentioned, but Steam already work like this, account-wise. I regularly log at a friend's to show him some of my games. Once I get back and log my computer in, he gets a message that he is about to be disconnected, while I get a message saying I was logged in elsewhere.
What Valve is doing now is sort of officialising this account lending by fine-tuning it to a per-game experience in order not to have passwords involved. Which is good.
Next, game selling. They have the whole infrastructure ready, It's litterally just a switch to allow game licenses to be exchanged. A switch that the European court of justice will likely have to push, sadly.
What Valve is doing now is sort of officialising this account lending by fine-tuning it to a per-game experience in order not to have passwords involved. Which is good.
Next, game selling. They have the whole infrastructure ready, It's litterally just a switch to allow game licenses to be exchanged. A switch that the European court of justice will likely have to push, sadly.
Makes me laugh people honestly think Valve would have come up with this in the past 2 weeks in reply to Microsoft and added it to a beta in some fashion. This has obviously been on their minds for a lot longer.
The majority of people on my XBL and Steam list I have never met in real life , in fact most don't even live in my country.
I would imagine that's pretty common.
I have 70+ games on Steam , I currently play 2. Who is going to buy stuff during the sales or buy Indy titles when everyone is sharing back catalogues.
Right now games have an extended shelf life due to Steam discounts, with sharing game sales will be dead outside the initial 3-4 week release window.
blitzcloud
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Hmmm, I thought the family sharing meant the people you can share it with, not when you can share it. Afaik family sharing still has 1 person at a time only.
Family sharing is the name of the feature on Xbone. You can play your games and another person at the same time can play any of your games. On Steam, if this holds true:
You can play your games or another person can play them.
Borrow is the keyword here. You can't play a game on a physical disc if a friend is currently borrowing it.
If this borrowing mechanism doesn't affect offline play(we don't know as of now), it is basically todays model for physical discs dirrectly applied to digital. What model you prefer depends on your views on always-online and that kind of stuff.
Haunted
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The thing is, content being digital would allow us to bypass these restrictions of physical media easily.
Of course, there's no monetary gain to be made for the companies by doing so (except gaining goodwill among consumers) so we as consumers have to be content with companies providing the same kind of restrictions as physical media, even though there's no legitimate reason for these restrictions - in theory.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Who wants to borrow Bad Ratz?
Monetary reasons are not legitimate reasons?
fluffydelusions
Member
This would be a game changer if true.
alexandros
Banned
Indeed: http://www.vg247.com/2011/08/27/newell-discusses-whether-steam-will-ever-allow-used-game-trade-ins/
I also expect game trade-ins sooner or later.
PoweredBySoy
Banned
Now all Microsoft has to do is lower their game prices by 40-50%.
It doesn't really matter when Valve came up with this idea or when Microsoft did. I don't think that's the point of a lot of people's posts in this thread. It's the fact that when MS does something they get shit on for it (no matter if it is a good thing or not) and then those same people turn around and praise the exact same thing when Valve does it. The fact that both of them are doing it is a good thing. As long as it works well then everyone should be happy with it.
SneakyStephan
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Oh look microsoft has a purpose in the gaming industry afterall.
Sure it's not their own console but steam gets a new feature.
Anyhow this is good, but it's just a first step to the enevitable resale and trading of your games on steam.
You know, before they became throwaway entertainment?
Cs, rtcw, battlefield 1942, starcraft, c&c, sim city, ut, quake, tribes etc etc
Games me and a lot of my friends played for years and years
Nowadays mp (and SP) games are designed to last for a few weeks until you get to buy another dlc then they want you to quit so you can buy the sequel the year after.
If that becomes less viable I'm all for it.
Sure it's not their own console but steam gets a new feature.
Anyhow this is good, but it's just a first step to the enevitable resale and trading of your games on steam.
Remember when you bought games and played them for YEARS?
You know, before they became throwaway entertainment?
Cs, rtcw, battlefield 1942, starcraft, c&c, sim city, ut, quake, tribes etc etc
Games me and a lot of my friends played for years and years
Nowadays mp (and SP) games are designed to last for a few weeks until you get to buy another dlc then they want you to quit so you can buy the sequel the year after.
If that becomes less viable I'm all for it.
I am the new Gamefly.
This is the best part of the Xbox One DRM set-up.. that and me not needing discs. I use Steam pretty much exclusively on my PC, so this will be a nice feature to have.. though, I'm the only one of my IRL friends who joined the PC master race.
If MS could figure out a way to remove 24 hour check-ins (say, give people the option to require a physical disc in the system, no sharing, etc in exchange for no interweb access) and can better detail the trade-in/used-game system they would go a long way towards repairing the damage done.
If MS could figure out a way to remove 24 hour check-ins (say, give people the option to require a physical disc in the system, no sharing, etc in exchange for no interweb access) and can better detail the trade-in/used-game system they would go a long way towards repairing the damage done.
Delusibeta
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So, Steam's ripping off the one single good feature in the Xbone? Good.
Stumpokapow
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Couldn't this also be for computer cafes as part of their expansion into new markets?
Chairmanchuck
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I just wonder what publishers will think when they hear of that.
I mean games like Remember Me, that only redeem themselves through the SP, will lose a lot of value. I mean I would like to play Remember Me and I could just get it from a friend then, finish it once and then never buy it.
I mean games like Remember Me, that only redeem themselves through the SP, will lose a lot of value. I mean I would like to play Remember Me and I could just get it from a friend then, finish it once and then never buy it.
The timing of this seems rather peculiar. I wonder if there has been communication between Microsoft and Valve for some joint effort to implement such a feature or if it's just Valve capitalising on what Microsoft is doing and the negotiations they will have to do with the developers.
In either case, it seems like Valve's implementation is far enough for it to slip through to the Steam client beta. I'm looking forward to seeing what the terms are.
In either case, it seems like Valve's implementation is far enough for it to slip through to the Steam client beta. I'm looking forward to seeing what the terms are.
MusicGangATL
Banned
this.
It would actually be really easy to do that. Allow customers to convert their games into vouchers and sell them on the Steam Community Market, where both Valve and the original publisher/developer get a chunk of the sale price. Everybody is happy!
Delusibeta
Banned
The difference is that Microsoft announced the game sharing features in the middle of announcing a (new to consoles) giant pile of shit also known as the Xbone's DRM. Meanwhile, Valve is working on something similar without announcing new shitty DRM measures. That is the difference, essentially.
backward compatibility has nothing to do with steam, that is do to Windows being on the same architecture all this time. Now that the Xbox is running windows 8 and is on x86-64 I expect them to stick with this setup for a very long time. Mods are another thing I'm not really sure have a lot to do with steam and more to do with the PC platform. And you can purchase games at multiple retailers on Xbox just like steam. WalMart, Amazon, Best Buy etc...anywhere games are sold. All games are required to installed to a hard drive just like the PC so all games are digital games. No word on if you will be able to buy just a code without the disc from another retailer but I don't see why this won't happen at some point. Anyway, I stand by my statement that the two are similar.
There is no difference. That's the problem with most posts in this thread. The feature is the same. It's like people don't know how (or want to) separate the bad from the good when it comes to the X1. The 24 hour policy is shit. It shouldn't exist. The game sharing thing is great in theory but people can't seem to separate the two. It's the same thing with Sony charging for online now but in reverse. They announced the used games thing and slid the charging for online part in there and no one really noticed because of how huge the used games announcement was.
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