Inferno313
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I believe there were reports that the Zelda demo had more pop-in, but surprisingly, better framepacing in handheld. The Zelda demo wasn't final code though, so make of that what you will.
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Rumor: Switch developer information leaked. Reveals A TON incl. hardware specs
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I believe there were reports that the Zelda demo had more pop-in, but surprisingly, better framepacing in handheld. The Zelda demo wasn't final code though, so make of that what you will.
Based on the hardware specs alone, that shouldn't happen. But game complexity is well... more complex. Devs may also want to account for battery life, so that's another point to remember.
civilstrife
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Pretty sure the point he's making is that it's unreasonable to expect a console only slightly larger than a smartphone to be as powerful as a PS4 Pro.
It's currently limited to USB2 (as the poster said). Perhaps Gigabit Ethernet will only be possible after the update.
SomewhatGroovy
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Interesting. I wonder if pop-in would negatively affect the experience of an open world Zelda.
Gotcha. Yeah I should have clrified to ask if at face value (specs) there would be any issues.
Jonneh3003
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It's amazing that it's more powerful than the Wii U.
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Deleted member 752119
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Yep. It's a super nice portable for people into that, who are ok with the battery life and size for sure.
A bit disappointing for those of us who are solely/mostly console gamers though. I wish the dock had ended up boosting processing more (supplemental computing device patent etc.)--but that would have driven cost up way too high given it's already at $300.
Anyway, most of Nintendo's games already looked great on Wii U so I can deal with them on something a fair bit more powerful The huge scope ones like Zelda, Xenoblade 2 etc. will suffer a tad compared to if this was a console at X1 to PS4 levels rather than a portable. But things like Mario Kart and Splatoon probably wouldn't look all that much different with their smaller scope and simpler art designs. So it's really just the $300 price for someone not really interested in the portability that has me waffling a bit about my purchase.
I think you are completely misinterpreting his point. The phone is there as a size comparison for laymen, and he asks why some (fictitious) people want the Switch, a system of this size, to be as powerful as a PS4 Pro. He isn't comparing it to a phone in any way.
AppleSautts
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Too much talk about specs and not enough talk for the UI
The home menu they've shown is a little different than the leak so all the other UI shots are probably a little different from the final build too, but I think it's looking pretty promising.
The home menu they've shown is a little different than the leak so all the other UI shots are probably a little different from the final build too, but I think it's looking pretty promising.
Inferno313
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To be fair, it sounds like even in docked mode, that game still has fairly noticeable pop-in.
Breath of the wild actually runs more stable portable according to some reports. This makes kind of sense, because ram and CPU stays the same while only gpu gets boosted so maybe it's more bottlenecked when you inchrease the resolution.
Spiral Insanity
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If developers can access a web applet to display web pages, I'm sure the wifi system will also be able to on public access networks.
Based on the specs provided in the OP, I'd say 3-4.
I think the difference in resolution is simply the output of the dock. I doubt games are developed with both modes in mind, and so would take advantage of higher resolution textures etc while undocked.
It's simply an output. Think of the Xbox One S for example, it technically outputs at 4k but there's no real difference between playing Horizon 3 on an Xbox One S and an OG Xbox One. Playground games haven't had to change anything with regards to development for example.
Yes it's common knowledge to many on here that the Xbox One S can provide slight differences in terms of framerate due to the slightly different clocks of the hardware, and I'm not ruling out slightly different performance in terms of framerate between a game in portable mode and docked.
What I am ruling out however is extra development that focuses on specific optimizations while docked.
Who know's, if anything who's to say portable games might have slightly better performance while portable. It's pushing a lower resolution afterall.
Breath of the Wild will be a good game to test, and Digital Foundry will likely do comparisons between docked and portable.
Infact I'd bet my life on it that they take an area in the game that is subject to frame rate drops and then test while docked and portable to determine whether the performance is the same.
Jonneh3003
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UI mostly matches up with the final build, they seem to show off more customisation than we've seen. Keyboard and icon layout is the more or less the same.
Probably not worth a thread but Koizumi apparently confirmed Bluetooth headset support.(and also that you can use the 3.5mm Jack when docked).
Inferno313
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Unless I'm misunderstanding you, that's not true. Most games are natively rendering in different resolutions, it's not just the output.
And yet some will claim it's not a portable console because Nintendo didn't said so
Take the joy cons off, then ask again why this isn't as powerful as a PS4 Pro
And even then, we'd have to compare the sizes of the chips rather than how big the shell is, which probably makes the comparison even closer
Jonneh3003
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New thread for new news, bluetooth headsets are a big deal and there's a lot of people confused on the matter.
we knew about the 3.5mm jack when docked though I forget where (I think switch demo impressions). although he did confirm it first bluetooth headset is in these documents as well.
Nice.
Reallink
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That's not the point he was making, but ironically, the production cost for the Switch is probably very close to the iPhone 7, possibly even higher. You don't seem to understand how much mark up is in a $700+ phone (hint the highest end ones cost ~$200 to produce), where as consoles sell much closer to cost and make their money on royalties and digital store cuts/%'s.
Jonneh3003
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You're right we did, someone who demoed the unit said they played docked Zelda with headphones.
Inferno313
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*googles 3.5mm extension cables*
Not sure the 3 feet cable on my HyperX Cloud Revolvers are gonna cut it.
I'm not familiar with the source and not willing to 100% trust a reddit translation so I'm reluctant to start a thread.
Not sure I agree on the 30-40% figure but it's very true that a lot of people seem to base the better efficiency of NVidia cards compared to AMD's on their performance in a PC environment when the situation is a lot different when talking about consoles.
Not saying Nvidia current cards aren't more efficient, they are, but consoles aren't bottlenecked by AMD's drivers lackluster DX11 perf for example.
That will likely be game dependent I imagine.
Unless there's been an official source to confirm either way we'll likely have to wait for guys like at Digital Foundry to confirm the native framebuffer and whether it is infact different depending on the mode, or whether the resolution is simply handled by the hardware scaler.
How I imagine things to be is with Zelda for example, it probably has a native framebuffer of 900p which is then simply scaled down to 720p while portable, or scaled to 1080p while docked.
I'm not buying the idea that they'll develop a game like Zelda with different framebuffers and graphical settings depending on whether you're docked or not.
In base GFLOPS terms, the Switch is 157 GFLOPS undocked and 393 GFLOPS docked, when we assume Eurogamer's clocks are correct. There are other things, that are hard to quantify exactly, that improve the Switch relative to the PS4 and Xbox One, namely architecture (the Switch architecture is likely a bit more efficient for every FLOP it has) and a technique called half-precision computation, which has the potential to add quite a significant percentage. According to one very technically proficient GAFfer (Thraktor), this half-precision should be easily implementable, and one dev on GAF said that a gain of 54% could be had from this technique (though I am very sceptical that this will be achievable in every game, it just sounds too big not to have been used much earlier in console tech).
Anyway, you can assume the Switch is 1-1.5 times as powerful as the WiiU in undocked mode, and about 1/3 to 50% of Xbox One when disregarding the aforementioned half-precision calculations.
Well this is promising, been wondering about this for ages. Hope it's proper Bluetooth full audio.
WiiRevolution1
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So no Activity Log confirmed.
Fuck.
Fucking Nintendo why?
Fuck.
Fucking Nintendo why?
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Deleted member 752119
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Huge for me as wanting a way to use a head set while docked without running a headphone extension cable across the room was one of my main concerns.
My PS Gold headset just broke, so maybe I can find a head set that has a USB dongle for PS4 and bluetooth that I can use with Switch?
Jonneh3003
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So no Activity Log confirmed.
Fuck.
Fucking Nintendo why?
It's in the parental controls app.
Skittzo0413
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You still get far different performance out of FLOPS from different architectures, as they all calculate FLOPS differently. Wii U was, in real world performance, more powerful than the PS3 and 360, especially with its GPU, but the FLOPS didn't show that.
Switch should have a similar advantage over XB1/PS4 as Maxwell is a more modern architecture than GCN 1.1-1.2.
you can use his translation and corroborate it with these docs. if this is the same interview the other thread is based on I believe nintendoeverything translated it.
RoadHazard
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Comparing the dev Nintendo Switch Pro controller (left) to the final version (right).
The final version looks like an unfinished prototype of the dev version. 🤔
I don't get that design decision at all.
If true I might buy a pair, always annoying when you have a wire coming from a handheld!
That wouldn't make any sense. The system has more resources when docked, and you would be wasting performance and battery on the go.
Inferno313
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tkscz
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Oops, my bad.
I understood the mark up but didn't think it was THAT bad.
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Deleted member 10571
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That UI is super sexy Didn't really expect all this style from Nintendo in both hard- and software.
Didn't really expect all this style from Nintendo in both hard- and software.SomewhatGroovy
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it's weird knowing my experience will play better while im pooping.
Nah, people deserved to be called out on this forum when it comes to the "NX." Too much BS was going around for a whole year. With the "fan-fiction" thread you could say it's still going on.
gloss is fucking terrible. thank god they learned.
Eh... Not great, but not bad when all things considered. It's safe to say that the jump from Wii U to Switch is much greater than GC to Wii right?
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