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Rumor: Xbox successor codename is "Ten". Expected release Holiday 2012.
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specialguy
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ShockingAlberto said:
Hmm
If you include the numbers of NSMB Wii that this chart didn't track, and include the DS game making it a franchise, then presumably that is bigger, no?
In that case wouldn't you have to include Halo 3 as well?
Edit: also ODST, Wars, and in a year, 4...
Still not sure if that puts it over some Nintendo franchises in the USA but it's a good question.
GANGSTERKILLER
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WrikaWrek said:
You don't know that.
Phonomezer
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WrikaWrek said:
PC port of Metro: Last Light would be nice.
snoopeasystreet
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343, Lionhead, Rare and Ruffian could have games ready for launch. That plus 3rd party games running DX11 @ 1080p would more than match what the 360 launched with.WrikaWrek said:
Muchi Muchi Pink
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WrikaWrek said:
I'm sure most big developers already own a devkit for quite some time now. EPIC comes to mind also rare, Lionhead and EA.
It's been said already but no chance in hell for a more powerfull Microsoft plateform next year.
A new Xbox 360 with greater emphasis on its accessibility (price, form factor, kinect), its many uses (apps, TV, games, music) is a sound project but also very costly.
The only reason they would spend cash on it is if it speeds up the the outcome of a mobile/entertainment/business ecosystem where economies of scale can be made and consummers can be shephered, ala Apple but bigger in scale.
A new Xbox 360 with greater emphasis on its accessibility (price, form factor, kinect), its many uses (apps, TV, games, music) is a sound project but also very costly.
The only reason they would spend cash on it is if it speeds up the the outcome of a mobile/entertainment/business ecosystem where economies of scale can be made and consummers can be shephered, ala Apple but bigger in scale.
SuicidalSteve
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it makes sense now! Lionhead still making 360 game on the cheap for kinect whilst the main devs at the company are getting to grips with next gen stuff...Hmmmmm *ponders*
The more I think about this the more 2012 makes total sense.
The jump in tech between 2012 and 2013 will be negligible. The Xbox 360 is still selling decently, which will allow it to go on and still sell respectably even after the new hardware is out (ala PS2), and it puts them ahead of Sony, who will be put in a very disadvantaged position if BOTH the competition goes next gen a year before it. And it'll tie in with all of their Windows 8 stuff AND the next Halo title.
And MS wants to launch before Sony. Launching before them this gen insured a lot 3rd parties made the definitive versions of their multiplatform games for the 360. The PS3 may have eventually caught up but the head start allowed MS a lot of wiggle room the first half of this gen.
2012 could be a brilliant launch if they plan it right.
The jump in tech between 2012 and 2013 will be negligible. The Xbox 360 is still selling decently, which will allow it to go on and still sell respectably even after the new hardware is out (ala PS2), and it puts them ahead of Sony, who will be put in a very disadvantaged position if BOTH the competition goes next gen a year before it. And it'll tie in with all of their Windows 8 stuff AND the next Halo title.
And MS wants to launch before Sony. Launching before them this gen insured a lot 3rd parties made the definitive versions of their multiplatform games for the 360. The PS3 may have eventually caught up but the head start allowed MS a lot of wiggle room the first half of this gen.
2012 could be a brilliant launch if they plan it right.
More likeopen_mouth_ said:
Teaser/viral campaign starts around Xbox 10 year anniversary(VGA's? Halo Anniversary launch?).
Ballmer drops the bomb at CES 2012, new Xbox coming part of the Windows 8 integration plan - another teaser, maybe some specs or the box.
GDC 2012 - more developers announce Xbox Ten support and plans, MS might show first 'in game' footage(Halo 4?/MGS Vancouver game?/Forza World?(rebranded at that point)/Alan Wake 2?).
E3 2012 - full blow out of Xbox Ten games, console, controller, UI and more coming to Europe and the US by the end of 2012, launch window line-up includes enhanced Call of Duty, Assassins Creed III, Need for Speed etc. along with some Microsoft Studios games including Halo 4(cross platform?). (new) IP's on the way from Crytek and Epic.
TGS 2012 - Japan launch announced for spring 2013, Resident Evil 6(Xbox Ten = lead platform) among the titles prepped for launch window.
February 2012 - Xbox 360 Star Wars Kinect Bundle(+ post holiday pricedrop?)
March/April 2012 - Kinect Nat Geo TV / Sesame Street TV
June 2012 - Unannounced Big Park/Rare Kinect title
August 2012 - Ryse
September/November 2012 - Halo 4(360/Ten) + Xbox Ten launch
December 2012 - Fable: the Journey(360/if not cancelled lol)
open_mouth_
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[Nintex] said:
so, yeah, basically what I said
Sidewinder
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I predict whatever Microsoft will do, Sony will tease the shit out of the PS4 as soon as the Xbox 720 has been revealed, aim for a 2012 holiday release just to push it back to March 2013!
Oh and the Xbox Loop will be a portable device, not the new Xbox
Oh and the Xbox Loop will be a portable device, not the new Xbox
The Albatross
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I'd be relatively pleased with this only because it'd pretty much guarantee GTAV would be a spring/early summer release.
But other than my optimism, I think 2013 is the only realistic early date for the new console.
As for the name, the new X-Box should just be called "The X-Box." We don't need to keep coming up with stupid names, people get it.
But other than my optimism, I think 2013 is the only realistic early date for the new console.
As for the name, the new X-Box should just be called "The X-Box." We don't need to keep coming up with stupid names, people get it.
TerryWogan
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I don't know what to think about whether or not a new system will launch 2012, but I am confident, contrary to what a lot of people are saying in this thread, that MS will not launch a system that will fail like the 360 did.
First, if that happened again, it would ruin them. Second, this tech has been ready for quite some time. They're not "rushing" to get it out for Holiday 2012. They could probably launch it tomorrow. Everyone knows that this current generation has had more legs than anyone anticipated, so MS have held off on the announcement of the next generation. In the meantime, that tech gets cheaper and cheaper to produce in the build up to an actual launch. They're not rushing this one out at all.
First, if that happened again, it would ruin them. Second, this tech has been ready for quite some time. They're not "rushing" to get it out for Holiday 2012. They could probably launch it tomorrow. Everyone knows that this current generation has had more legs than anyone anticipated, so MS have held off on the announcement of the next generation. In the meantime, that tech gets cheaper and cheaper to produce in the build up to an actual launch. They're not rushing this one out at all.
Omegasquash
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The Albatross said:
Agreed...to a point. Someone is bound to end up buying the old one and not the new one and then "bla bla bla I didn't know bla bla bla consumer issues bla bla bla I'm illiterate." As few and far between as those types of situations are (really, because you ought to know what you're buying unless you're misled at the store), no one wants to deal with them. Ten it is. At least it's not Xbox Infinite. Which sounds like a great name until the next go round.
Clear
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I honestly have no idea how they are going to justify the purchase of new hardware to the mass market buyer.
The success of Wii shows that large swathes of the public simply doesn't care about graphic resolution and bells and whistles. Objectively the step up from 360 to neXtbox or whatever is going to be less apparent than going from Wii to 360, so I really can't see it being a factor.
2013 at the earliest, because despite their much improved performance this gen MS still aren't in a position to dictate the future to the industry as a whole. Most likely by the end of next year they'll have the smallest global shipment numbers, and technically will be back in third place again - so I think it's doubtful that many publishers will be keen to commit super-hard to their new platform.
The success of Wii shows that large swathes of the public simply doesn't care about graphic resolution and bells and whistles. Objectively the step up from 360 to neXtbox or whatever is going to be less apparent than going from Wii to 360, so I really can't see it being a factor.
2013 at the earliest, because despite their much improved performance this gen MS still aren't in a position to dictate the future to the industry as a whole. Most likely by the end of next year they'll have the smallest global shipment numbers, and technically will be back in third place again - so I think it's doubtful that many publishers will be keen to commit super-hard to their new platform.
Oppo
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flyinpiranha said:
Kind of betrays a certain mindset, doesn't it.
Reminds me of the close cousin, "game franchises that I dislike, that therefore should be wiped from the Earth and history".
2012 launch would be a really bad idea. Forget what happened in the past, it's no indication of future... etc etc. Things are very different now.
Aizu_Itsuko
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Too early.
Diminishing returns and ever increasing development costs are going to make each new generation longer and longer. We need to make the jump at the right time in the technology curve and it seems that Nintendo's jump into the HD bandwagon is rushing next gen... which is bad IMO.
Who cares if Nintendo releases a new system that is close (?) to PS3/360 in power when is going to be underutilized. This gen has shown that the market can support multiple successful systems at a time.
Wait until 2014-2015.
And no hardware design flaws again MS.
Diminishing returns and ever increasing development costs are going to make each new generation longer and longer. We need to make the jump at the right time in the technology curve and it seems that Nintendo's jump into the HD bandwagon is rushing next gen... which is bad IMO.
Who cares if Nintendo releases a new system that is close (?) to PS3/360 in power when is going to be underutilized. This gen has shown that the market can support multiple successful systems at a time.
Wait until 2014-2015.
And no hardware design flaws again MS.
I think the Xbox will be revealed at E3 2012. Releasing early 2013 (first half year). The 360 will have a pricecut to counter the WiiU.
2012 will be the last big hurray for this generation. There are still too many big releases upcoming for 2012 such as GTA 5, halo 4, Bioshock, Diablo 3
I don't think they would release The XboxL in 2012 while Halo 4 is still getting released as a 360 game.
However, I doubt it will release later then early 2013. There are only a few games annouched for 2012. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_in_development) There will probably be a few annouched at VGA though.
Edit: I seem to forgot way more, Darksiders 2, New Assassins Creed, CoD.. and probably loads more.
2012 will be the last big hurray for this generation. There are still too many big releases upcoming for 2012 such as GTA 5, halo 4, Bioshock, Diablo 3
I don't think they would release The XboxL in 2012 while Halo 4 is still getting released as a 360 game.
However, I doubt it will release later then early 2013. There are only a few games annouched for 2012. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_in_development) There will probably be a few annouched at VGA though.
Edit: I seem to forgot way more, Darksiders 2, New Assassins Creed, CoD.. and probably loads more.
Sidewinder said:I predict whatever Microsoft will do, Sony will tease the shit out of the PS4 as soon as the Xbox 720 has been revealed, aim for a 2012 holiday release just to push it back to March 2013!
Oh and the Xbox Loop will be a portable device, not the new Xbox
A portable device, I don't think MS will do that.
TerryWogan said:
Fail in RROD sense u mean right? If that so I believe it depends on what kinda hardware they are putting together there, If they really go out with a less powerful-more profitable-casual a bit approach they surely won't have these problems I guess? Even though I don't think they will do that.
TerryWogan
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Aizu_Itsuko said:
This is a fundamental misconception of game development. Whilst the previous generational leaps up to the current one were huge in terms of development costs, now that we're at "HD" resolutions, most developers are actually creating assets that are far beyond the capabilities of current hardware and downsizing them in order to get them to run. Getting things running at true 1080p and 60FPS (which seems to be the popular demand) on next gen hardware isn't really going to be much of a jump in development costs. Certainly not a jump of the kind seen from last-gen to current-gen.
NIghtWolf said:
Yes! Not "fail" as in "I'm a fanboy, Xbox Faillolololol".
You're making a dichotomy out of this when that's not necessarily the case. Just because the next Xbox comes our doesn't mean the old one is forgotten and no longer available.Clear said:
It wouldn't surprise me if the next Xbox supplements the ecosystem rather than replaces it outright.
TerryWogan
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web01 said:
It absolutely has to be. Especially when you consider the amount of money people have spent on XBLA and Games on Demand. If they don't make it backwards compatible, all of those games are gone as soon as your 360 dies.
H_Prestige
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It's not like next gen games will just be ps360 level games rendered in higher res. They are going to increase the graphical fidelity by an order of magnitude, just like they did this gen. That's going to cost money.TerryWogan said:This is a fundamental misconception of game development. Whilst the previous generational leaps up to the current one were huge in terms of development costs, now that we're at "HD" resolutions, most developers are actually creating assets that are far beyond the capabilities of current hardware and downsizing them in order to get them to run. Getting things running at true 1080p and 60FPS (which seems to be the popular demand) on next gen hardware isn't really going to be much of a jump in development costs. Certainly not a jump of the kind seen from last-gen to current-gen.
Yes! Not "fail" as in "I'm a fanboy, Xbox Faillolololol".
H_Prestige
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If Xbox 3 isn't BC, then how will MS sell all the content on XBL to their new customers? They spent a decade building up the content not just to throw it all away and start from scratch again. The new box will be fully BC, and same goes for PS4.web01 said:
Lord Error
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Wasn't there a road map leaked that pegged next Xbox at 2013?
They really should go with 'Loop' for the name over 'Ten'. Loop is a great name with good logo/marketing potential.
I also agree with everyone saying that 2012 is unlikely - UNLESS - they switched Halo 4 development over to the next-box, something I don't see them doing for the start of this new trilogy.
I also agree with everyone saying that 2012 is unlikely - UNLESS - they switched Halo 4 development over to the next-box, something I don't see them doing for the start of this new trilogy.
Clear
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venne said:
You still need software support and MS simply don't have enough first-party studios to prop up 2 platforms. One of Sony's problems at the start of this gen was they were horribly overextended trying to push PS2, PSP, and PS3 - as a result the opposition stole a march on them.
The reality is that if the 360's successor isn't sufficiently differentiated from its predecessor its competing against it directly; and that's not a recipe for success UNLESS you have a rapid uptake on the new platform.
The problem every hardware vendor is facing is that the current HD machines are extremely comprehensive feature-wise. There's not a lot you can add, and their back-end infrastructures are mature with a lot of content available so backwards compatibility is a must.
Its a tough thing to market, and even tougher for you to get partners to join in on.
tldr; Slow transition = potential loss of momentum/market share
TerryWogan
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H_Prestige said:
I didn't say they were going to be "rendered in higher res". Developers are already creating assets for games that are more than suitable for next gen and beyond. Ultra high polygon models, etc. They won't be "rendering in higher res" - if anything they'll be "scaling their assets down a bit less".
If you re-read what I said - what you quoted - I've already explained this.
The Albatross
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venne said:
Oh hi, I have made this helpful graph to help show how long they can "Reasonably expect to 'milk' this generation."
H_Prestige
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What do you guys even mean by windows 8 integration? I don't see the big deal, the phrase just sounds cool on paper, like XBL on windows phone 7 (that feature isn't killing iOS and android, hardly anyone gives a shit). Nobody is going to use their gaming system as a computer, and MS sure as hell isn't going to design it for such use in the first place.
thehillissilent
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Kibbles said:
This is what makes it hard for me to believe that MS would release a new console in 2013. Well, if they do release something in 2012, we should know at CES next year
Mr. B Natural
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Something something Spinal Tap something but this goes to 11.
Your applying the old model to the new model.Clear said:
It's not about consoles, it's about ecosystems.
Microsoft doesn't care whether someone buys a 360 or whatever else as long as it gets people investing in the Xbox walled garden. The new system is aimed at the performance crowd, the old to the mass market. In a couple years you drop the new system to mass market status and release a new performance model. People maintain all their digital purchased and get chained to the ecosystem. Rinse, repeat.
Sidewinder
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royalan said:
(No) games?