I have the feeling CPU is generally a non-issue nowadays and will only become "worse" with low level APIs as you wrote. I bought my Ivy Bridge i5 in 2012 and don't see any reason to update any time soon, maybe if AMD surprises us (in a positive way) with the Zen architecture next year.
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[rumour] AMD R9 390X, Nvidia GTX 980 Ti and Titan X Benchmarks Leaked
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I have the feeling CPU is generally a non-issue nowadays and will only become "worse" with low level APIs as you wrote. I bought my Ivy Bridge i5 in 2012 and don't see any reason to update any time soon, maybe if AMD surprises us (in a positive way) with the Zen architecture next year.
SneakyStephan
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I often play games with a guy who just bought one of those (well he got it in a bargain, 90 euros for the cpu + a mobo) and he was complaining about unplayable (<<<< 30 fps) framerates in dirty bomb.
Your framerate in dying light, ns2, ac unity (shit game I know
) can't be too hot either...I think it's (REALLY) great that dx12 is going to help cpu efficiency (we need it lol, where else are we going to get more cpu performance... certainly not from the hardware side), but it's a one time boost man...
Do you just want game mechanics to stall forever at what a current cpu can accomplish? Imagine if games were still stuck at what an xbox 360 cpu could do...
No natural selection 2, no planetside 2, no dying light, no arma 3, no 25 tiles cities skylines
Games vs hardware performance is a chicken egg thing you know, as long as the hardware isn't there to enable devs to do more then ofcourse the demand for more cpu performance isn't going to be there from the software that comes out...
What kind of fool would make a game that requires twice the cpu performance of a haswell i7 to get 60 fps? Even if they just started making the game today and didn't expect to finish until 2017... there is no such cpu on the horizon they'd be fucking themselves over completely.
And as for your specific cpu, relying on developers to use all 8 cores for every game is not realistic, you are going to continue to get fucked on certain games in the future (games that might have amazing gameplay) with the horrible IPC of that cpu you have.
I know I've mentioned this before to you, but I have a phenom II (similar per core performance to yours) and I'm constantly painfully reminded that it's not cutting it whenever a game comes out that doesn't FULLY support multiple cores. Many games will put audio on a seperate thread and a few other things, but then they'll have one main thread for all the game logic and rendering, so despite using 3-4 cores, 85 percent of the load is on that one specific core, and that is where my cpu completely shits the bed, and yours will too because it doesn't matter if you have 3 or 256 cores at that point.
We should all ask for more IPC (and more cores on intel cpus) as gamers.
You gain nothing from damage controlling it.
hooijdonk17
Member
What I'm really interested in are the R7 360X details; bring it on AMD.
Objectively Bad Opinion
Member
Yeah, it seems like we're entering a lull in terms of CPU demands. Unless you're playing PC exclusive CPU intensive games like RTS, DX12 and Vulkan and the anemic CPUs in consoles combined means that you can probably ride whatever CPU you have now into the sunset-- provided that CPU is "good enough" now.
Multiplatform games are really going to be easy to run in the future.
You really should get a better CPU than that though.
I'm assuming it will be a rebranded 270X.
Got a non-stock Sapphire 290 at launch, noise level only increases reeeeeeaaaaally seldom. So wait for non-stock cooling solutions, unless you want to go custom watercooled.
Dictator93
Member
I hope not. That would stratify and confuse the hardware support for certain API features right? Sounds silly.
I got it long ago for cheap, and I will probably wait to see what will be next move of AMD in the high performance space. The only thing that would rush me to upgrade sooner if its VR gets big very early on.
ashecitism
Member
But isn't that the rumor though? Only the 390s are new, the rest are rebranded 200s. Which were already mostly rebranded 7000s?
Frankfurter
Member
Going by "history" the fourth line (a ka x60, x70, x80, x90) was always pretty shitty. Why are you waiting on those? 370 line I can understand, but 360X? Meeh.
hooijdonk17
Member
Its my price point to upgrade from a 7770. Not eveyone have enough gaming time to invest strongly on a Gpu.
Frankfurter
Member
There are different rumors and some of them are contradicting each other. For example the latest rumor had the board power of the R9 370 series at 110-130W, which seems to low for it to be a rebranded Pitcairn (/Curacao), but also shouldn't be Tonga. So maybe there is more than one new chip. + Pitcairn/Curacao desperately needs a new chip, it's still the very first GCN gen (HD7850/7870), which means it lacks proper support for stuff like VSR, DX12(.1?) etc.
There's a rumour that there will be no rebrands in the 3xx series too.
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=397512
VSR as of the moment works only with the hardware scaler, they said the next driver release would make it more flexible. However, it is generally considered a more elegant implementation whereby you only have to enable it and the driver downsamples automatically based on the selected resolution.
hooijdonk17
Member
Now I'm even more interested in hearing more about the 360 and 370.
There is a rumour that the 380x is a tweaked 290x. Most of the gpu remains the same but, it is tweaked to gcn 1.2 and is more efficient.
DouglasteR
Member
Well, for all its worth AMD could have a trumph card just like the 9700pro, a milestone card capable of balacing the market again.
IF PRICED CORRECTLY.
IF PRICED CORRECTLY.
SneakyStephan
Banned
My inner pessimist combined with them calling the 390x an 'ultra enthusiast' card makes me think this means they want to have a go at a 'titan' brand too
If they make a new lineup they can build a gap filler between the 290x and the 4000sp + HMB 390x performance, call that the 390x, then call the 390x something stupid like 'fuckyougivemoney' price it at 800+ euros.
If the 290x became the 380x they couldn't do this as they wouldn't have a gap filler.
To be honest, I doubt that HBM is a very cost effective method. As soon as it starts appearing in more product lines the cost of production will drop.
Dictator93
Member
That sounds pretty shitty if it ends up being true. 28nm needs to die, hard.
hooijdonk17
Member
They could just change fab processes while rebranding, that would probably help with pushing clockspeeds and yields, i.e. faster rebrands for less cost.
ashecitism
Member
Well, you got to stick with it for this year, and maybe next year 16nm FF will arrive.
That sucks, I had hoped for DDR4 only to drive prices on that down. I need my 32 GB upgrade
Anyway, I'm really happy with my Haswell-E purchase, it should last a good long time the way things are going. Just a bit pissed about missing the USB 3.1/C train.
michaelius
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That sucks, I had hoped for DDR4 only to drive prices on that down. I need my 32 GB upgrade
Anyway, I'm really happy with my Haswell-E purchase, it should last a good long time the way things are going. Just a bit pissed about missing the USB 3.1/C train.
Then you don't have to worry. It supports DDR3L so wast amounts of enthusiast grade ddr3 won't help one bit
Frankfurter
Member
It won't for atleast another ~year. 20nm apparently isn't worth the hassle and 16nm isn't ready yet (for large GPUs that is).
The type C connector is a seperate spec to USB 3.1. So you can use it (with adapters).
Yup, and then there's the confusing USB 3.1 Gen 1 and Gen 2 where Gen 1 is just USB 3.0 really.
Objectively Bad Opinion
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http://videocardz.com/55146/amd-radeon-r9-390x-possible-specifications-and-performance-leaked
50-60% over the R9 290X is lame, I was expecting 80% at least.
Oh well. I'm not really disappointed because it's still really good, just... whatever, AMD. I'm still buying one.
50-60% over the R9 290X is lame, I was expecting 80% at least.
Oh well. I'm not really disappointed because it's still really good, just... whatever, AMD. I'm still buying one.
What? Name one GPU series that jumped 80% over its predecessor.
They are still sticking to 28nm, and they are staying at the same power envelope as 290X. I count this as miraculous.
Interesting. This is starting to look more convincing. Impressive fake if it isn't true. Has there ever been an 80% jump?
Peppermint Delight
Neo Member
I'll wait until the new cards from AMD and nVidia are released before I jump to conclusions. Everything now is just conjecture.
Objectively Bad Opinion
Member
Miracles are relative. Obviously this is better than anything they've done before and after the R9 285 it seems like AMD is coming out of nowhere with a massive improvement, and it is... but it's the first HBM GPU. It should be in an entirely different plane of existence compared to everything else.
No doubt this will be faster than the Titan X by some margin, but the fact that the Titan X comes close when it shouldn't is dumb. This GPU should be dropping Nvidia on their ass so hard the resulting impact knocks California into the Pacific. And it isn't.
Well, I don't want to run my mouth too much before we get to compare these two new GPUs more closely.
the German online outlet Heise received some new information at the Cebit (German high tech convention) today.
I find them highly reliable and I've heard similar news from a friend working at Cebit.
- April was rumored for release of 380(X) but now partners say it seems highly unlikely
- only the 390 and the 390X might come with the new HBM.
- 390X supposed to need 300 Watts+
Prices and Performance
- R9 390X ~ 700$+
- R9 390 ~ 700$
- R9 380X (faster than 290X) ~ 400$
- R9 380 (faster than 290) ~ 330$
- R9 370 (approx. between R9 270X and R9 285) ~200$
- R7 360X ~ 150$
- R7 360 ~ 110$
source (German): Heise CEBIT News
I find them highly reliable and I've heard similar news from a friend working at Cebit.
- April was rumored for release of 380(X) but now partners say it seems highly unlikely
- only the 390 and the 390X might come with the new HBM.
- 390X supposed to need 300 Watts+
Prices and Performance
- R9 390X ~ 700$+
- R9 390 ~ 700$
- R9 380X (faster than 290X) ~ 400$
- R9 380 (faster than 290) ~ 330$
- R9 370 (approx. between R9 270X and R9 285) ~200$
- R7 360X ~ 150$
- R7 360 ~ 110$
source (German): Heise CEBIT News
Shame that 380/380X wont get HBM. That is the price range that I aim for for my next upgrade. They also report that 390X will come with air cooling, but that premium models will have exotic cooling.
edit - this is also threadworthy news I think
Dictator93
Member
Those supposed prices there for midrange are basically the same we have right now. And the same performance profile that has existed for about 3 years now.
HBM on 28nm is not going to have the impact you seem to be expecting. AMD simply cannot pair the giant memory bandwidth improvement with a similar improvement to shading power.
Personally, I think the Titan X will only be the fastest GPU until Fiji arrives, at which point Fiji will perform better at 4K UHD. The two will trade blows at lower resolutions where GM200's 336GB/s memory bandwidth is sufficient to avoid holding up GPU throughput.
Of course, by that time (June), Nvidia will be ready to release GTX 985 or Titan S or whatever name they want to give to their $700 GM200 variant.
That, and AMDs wish not to use rebrands of old series.
Backfoggen
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Ok I'm not going to pay $700+ for an AMD card lol.
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So much for the $599 R9 390x price dream. Where did that rumour come from?
And today, card that is faster than both 390X and TitanX costs only $690.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202108R&cm_re=295x2-_-14-202-108R-_-Product
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202108R&cm_re=295x2-_-14-202-108R-_-Product
digitalrelic
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So with these leaked benchmarks emerging, what do you folks think the odds are that nVidia releases the 980Ti alongside the Titan X? Or is the 980Ti still likely to be at least a few months away?
We'll find out tomorrow as Titan X NDAs expire Tuesday. I don't think the 980Ti exists but would not be surprised if I'm proved wrong.
Those are some pretty high expectations. I can't remember a single generation where there was an 80% performance increase over it's predecessor.
Nvidia isn't going to cannibalize the market for the Titan X by not upselling to people who would be satisfied with a 980Ti.