There are some things about the world that are cut-and-dry where any (more or less) objective observer will come to the same conclusion. Politically-charged language and social sciences terminology are not among those things. Enough people have pointed out to you by now that there isn't a single, generally agreed-upon dictionary definition of terrorism in the first place, so if you want to simply continue to pretend that there is, I'm gonna have to bow out of this thread.
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Russian ambassador Andrey Karlov assassinated in Ankara
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There are some things about the world that are cut-and-dry where any (more or less) objective observer will come to the same conclusion. Politically-charged language and social sciences terminology are not among those things. Enough people have pointed out to you by now that there isn't a single, generally agreed-upon dictionary definition of terrorism in the first place, so if you want to simply continue to pretend that there is, I'm gonna have to bow out of this thread.
orthodoxy1095
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In most every case they probably should be labeled as such.
This attack fits that definition.
Wheeeee.
I was joking.
I guess to me that the distinction between
and
is one seemingly reserved entirely for people screaming at each other on a video game forum and it seemed funny to me. Like without all the needless hyperbole it''s just a polite conversation with a slight difference of opinion. Sorry. Guess I have a weird sense of humor.
Etrian Oddity
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Just saw the video on CNN. Unbelievable.
According to some, the secret to defeating ISIS is the words 'Radical Islamic Terrorism '
On topic, this is frightening. Tensions are so fucking high right now, all it would take is a spark to push everything to exploding.
"This murder is clearly a provocation aimed at undermining the improvement and normalization of Russian-Turkish relations, as well as undermining the peace process in Syria promoted by Russia, Turkey, Iran and other countries interested in settling the conflict in Syria," Putin said in a statement on Monday evening.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-karlov-shot-ankara-syria-peace-a7485376.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-karlov-shot-ankara-syria-peace-a7485376.html
More like the opposition is in for a world of hurt after this!
This is probably just the beginning. Russia could end up in a world of hurt for its support of Assad.
Frozenprince
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By a Russian operative pretending to be an extremist.
Yep.
World is ending.
Yep.
World is ending.
Dude fucked up.
Assassinating diplomats will not bring an end to the crisis in Syria.
Russia is mature enough to not overreact to these provocations.
Assassinating diplomats will not bring an end to the crisis in Syria.
Level-headed response.
Russia is mature enough to not overreact to these provocations.
triplestation
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no words
AndrewDean84xX
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I like this response. Let's hope it's not just talk though.
The Albatross
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Can't help but think that this photographer will be nominated for a pulizter. The act is terrible, but if there's something positive that can be gleaned from it, it's the dedication that many journalists have to their craft.
Of course Putin understand it's logical to determine who directed the assassin. Now, which groups are interested in undermining Russian-Turkish relations?
m_shortpants
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Well, that's a good response.
It's interesting when you view the world through an alternate lens, what Russia is enabling in Syria is diabolical, but I won't pretend the US hasn't done some obscene shit in the pursuit of our own interests either.
Just goes to show when you're a big kid unfortunately it seems you can get away with bullying.
So it isn't WW3 like gaf said? 😢 😢
Dead then.
Yes, it fits. But it was a reply to the definition of spaghun you criticized, about civillian only.
That response is aimed more at Turkey, which Russia doesn't hold responsible for this, retaliation will probably take place in Syria.
Insane Metal
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Whew. Good response. Let's hope it doesn't turn into anything worse.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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:lol That's literally all you posted in between putting me down but keep digging that hole. Instead of defending your point you're mad I'm somehow "singling you out". No substance, just insults.
Good response from Putin, looks like it won't be WW3 after all.
koji kabuto
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I don't think the gunman is a member of any terrorist group.
You don't need to say anything to explain absolutely how wrong and unacceptable this act, But alot of people are been blinded by hatred and rage right now and it seems everyone lost the ability to think reasonably.
You don't need to say anything to explain absolutely how wrong and unacceptable this act, But alot of people are been blinded by hatred and rage right now and it seems everyone lost the ability to think reasonably.
Scary thought.
This has been the new normal for a while now, and this won't slowdown in 2017.
jim-jam bongs
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Something of this relatively minor severity could never be a catalyst for war, especially not when there's no profit to be made. Russia is about to get paid bigly when Orange Berlusconi and his pals lift sanctions, they wouldn't risk that over the death of a diplomat which can be easily hand-waved as a sad consequence of their "noble" fight against extremism in Syria.
I can't wait for "Fuck 2017"
michaelius
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More like civilians in cities controlled by rebels in Syria.
DontBeThatGuy
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"undermine peace process in Syria". "promoted by Russia". Putin, please.
Just out of curiousity. What was Turkish culture prior to the Ottoman Empire?
Jack The Nipper
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And this does exactly what they want. Gives them a voice and light in the news.
Erogan said the same thing.
Ether_Snake
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How vould anyone expect another response from Russia, let alone starting WW3? It was said immediately after the attack that this was an attack against Turkey and Russia's relations, as it obviously is. It might potentially fuel some extremists to continue carrying such attacks but overall Turkey and Russia are getting closer to one another and this was an attack against both.
Skyturks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_Khaganate
Obviously the cultural gravitation towards Arabic culture goes back to Seljuk Empire before Ottomans, but they were the ones that destroyed the old Turkish culture.
Phantast2k
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Probably, but for now the Russians seem to continue to pay the price:
@ASLuhn
On same night its ambassador to Turkey killed, employee of Russian foreign ministry found dead of gunshots in Moscow
Also people affiliated with the Gülen movement or those who are suspected of it or just people whom Erdogan doesn't like:
Turkish official links Russian envoy killer to exiled cleric | Reuters
TacticalHotdog
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ISIS also claimed responsibility for a shooting in Grozny, Chechnya in which 11 militants were killed. There's a video of Chechen police dumping full auto fire in the middle of the street.
It always amazes me how much Grozny has been rebuilt since the early 2000s when it was claimed to be the most destroyed city on earth during the Chechen Wars
Also, is there any substantive evidence that Gulen has the following and influence in Turkey that the Turkish government claims he has, or is he just their default scapegoat for any internal problems? I'm genuinely curious
TheCochese
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This isn't difficult. If it continues to be so, I can be reached via PM.
m_shortpants
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Of course he had to eat his cake with the "radical Islamic terrorist"
Abinash117
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Quite surprising that this happened to an ambassador; I know I heard that a Russian ambassador hadn't been killed in decades, but it is extremely rare for an ambassador to be assassinated in any country.
It looks like still this is the cost of getting involved in a war like this.Both Turkey and Russia is going get consequences, especially after Aleppo which regardless on whatever side was pretty brutal. I suspect more type of this stuff to keep happening to both nations.
It looks like still this is the cost of getting involved in a war like this.Both Turkey and Russia is going get consequences, especially after Aleppo which regardless on whatever side was pretty brutal. I suspect more type of this stuff to keep happening to both nations.
Portugeezer
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Seemed like he was.
Kill Your Masters
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Why is he putting the emphasis that "murder of an ambassador is not ok", like if it's not an ambassador it's kinda ok?
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