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Sega is shutting down Youtube channels for their new game. Exciting!
- Thread starter Meicyn
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Delusibeta
Banned
I see that and raise the possibility in Sega of Japan succeeding in shutting down TotalBiscuit's YouTube channel. That would be a shit hurricane. He's already declared a boycott and probably will formalise the announcement, which will hopefully prompt a sufficiently large shitstorm to snap some sense into Sega. But still: not wise.
interesting, so this is the same guy I was referring to who was calling old fans enemies and holding back their success
Ingueferroque
Banned
This is nuts. Reminds me to play Shining the Holy Ark though, always seemed like a great dungeon crawler.
Triple Da G.O.D!
Member
Same thing happened to me and others when Guardian Heroes HD dropped last year. Haven't recovered from that since then. Such a shame this is happening to others for whatever the reason is.
A Huge Battleship
Member
Out with the old, in with the new.
Haven't bought an SF game since III but I'm part of the problem anyway.
The erasure of TotalBiscuit's SFIII LP should actually be punishable with a prison sentence.
Meicyn
Gold Member
Details please. I wasn't aware of this.
radios shipping overview
Member
I wasn't aware the modern Shining games had fans. Well, attach Taka Tony to something and you're bound to attract a horde of mouthbreathers.
I'm kinda glad that I never got into the Shining games now
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
So... They sent a letter. "Hi, we're jacking your shit."
They don't get an immediate response and think all's well?
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
This isn't a copyright violation, and the reason Youtube bends to any corporation who asks them to take stuff down is because they've had their nuts in the legal vice before.
So... yeah.
So... yeah.
Augemitbutter
Member
oh shining, what have they done to you? fanatic fans and barbie dolls.
Aquamarine
Member
Let's Plays are always a very legally gray area. Unlike written commentaries, they infuse most of the content from the IP into the production itself.
It's like if someone was writing a book review and quoted most of the book within his narrative.
I think this is very backward thinking on the part of Sega (especially considering the commercial benefits of Let's Plays from exposure), but as content producers, they're entitled to their actions.
(Yes, I realize a person watching the Let's Play might get inspired to play it a different way, warranting a purchase. I'm not saying Let's Plays negatively impact sales.)
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Thing is, without having any impact on sales and when Let's Plays are non-commercial (well, barring whatever ads a dude has linked to his channel), it's hard not to consider Let's Play videos to be protected by fair use... and that's if you consider random footage of a game to be copyrightable subject matter in the first place.
17 USC Section 107, kids. It's all we have left
Shorty11857
Member
Totalbiscuit has the licence to do these videos there's no legal gray area
RoboGeorgeForeman
Banned
It's stuff like this that makes me want to move on to other video sharing sites. I shouldn't have to freak out about copyright violations when uploading a parody video, a let's play, or even a home video with a copyrighted song.
If only there was a good replacement...
If only there was a good replacement...
hosannainexcelsis
Member
This is a very bizarre situation all around. I guess we'll have to wait and see if Sega responds to clarify what's going on. Obviously the only result of this kind of behavior will be to upset longtime fans of the company, so it's not something any right thinking person there should be approving.
Snapshot King
Member
Christ, just when I was thinking of doing a Bayo or Vanqush LP. Fucking Sega.
Wasn't there some debacle where some jerk not actually associated with any company targeted a slew of Let's Players for some dumb reason ages ago? I remember it was caused apparently by Youtube just following through with anyone claiming copyright because of their past issues and never actually fact-checked the guy filing actually held any copyright. Eventually it was all sorted out, so hopefully this blows over.
Aquamarine
Member
Thing is, without having any impact on sales and when Let's Plays are non-commercial (well, barring whatever ads a dude has linked to his channel), it's hard not to consider Let's Play videos to be protected by fair use... and that's if you consider random footage of a game to be copyrightable subject matter in the first place.
17 USC Section 107, kids. It's all we have left
"Random footage" is one thing, but comprehensive footage showing every facet of the game 100% completed...is another. ESPECIALLY in story-based games where gameplay isn't very important.
It's because some Let's Players receive advertising revenue from showing off copyrighted material...that make it so legally gray.
You can argue that Let's Players monetize their commentary, but there are instances where the monetization is fueled by the attraction of the IP itself.
For example, Let's Players who monetize a video without any commentary at all, or Let's Players who mostly remain silent through their video.
What fuels the ad revenue in those situations? The game, not the personality. And do most Let's Players have permission from the content producer to use the game to make money on a digital platform? No.
Oh god...
cicero
Member
Way to completely miss the point. It was THREE WHOLE YEARS, but you describe it as not getting "an immediate response"? Like they specifically stated, "We accepted the ESA policies regarding the DMCA as well". Sega had every opportunity to pursue action against them, FOR THREE YEARS, but they conveniently waited until a day after the project was released, and a day before they were set to release their own expensive crap port, to finally shut them down. My initial point was drawing a correlation between this apparent new youtube issue and Sega's well-known previous similar activities towards fans and fan based projects. The point is that Sega can do better than actions like these. Now it may turn out that Sega isn't even behind these Youtube takedowns, or it might involve someone affiliated with Sega holding a grudge and pursuing some kind of personal vendetta, the issue still holds for Sega's previous actions regardless.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
So they are shutting down people for having videos of old titles due to similar names to this one.
Low.
I was interested in Shining Ark until I learned it was going to be one of "those" games.
I wish Camelot would make another Shining Force.
Shining Erotica or Shining Cliche Romance isn't my glass of Iced Tea.
Low.
I was interested in Shining Ark until I learned it was going to be one of "those" games.
I wish Camelot would make another Shining Force.
Shining Erotica or Shining Cliche Romance isn't my glass of Iced Tea.
Meccanical
Member
Tony Taka, what are you doing in video games.
You do erotic works silly.
You do erotic works silly.
Shadow Hog
Member
Yeah, it was kinda stupid how they titled their game Shining Ark despite it having nothing to do with the similarly titled Shining the Holy Ark at all. And now they're getting uppity at old fans who wanted to share their love for the older title? Ridiculous.
out getting ribs
Member
lol oh jeez what will sega think of next?
cicero
Member
Seeing your name makes me realize it has been like 15 years since I saw Record of Lodoss War. Crazy.
Look up Shining Wind... Or Shining Tears x Wind anime. That's about as erotic as you can get and it's Taka.
djplaeskool
Member
I dunno man, some of the official works for these games are pretty damn erotic.
Meicyn
Gold Member
It really is a good series. I should rewatch it myself, it's been awhile.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I think that's the main selling point.
Undead Bokun
Member
Reminds me of when I got hit for a copyright claim after putting a video I made of Garouden Break Blow(Ps2) shortly after release showing off how brutal and fun it was. You know, to convince others to pick it up? Hey free advertising guys. "You stole our IP" Pretty much put an end to me even posting videos. Got hit again recently for another video of a Japanese Playstation game.
Despite having been offered money to add music to my videos or advertising I always said no. I did this to bring attention to games that I felt deserved it. I get rewarded with copyright claims and threats to close my account. Good job guys.
Despite having been offered money to add music to my videos or advertising I always said no. I did this to bring attention to games that I felt deserved it. I get rewarded with copyright claims and threats to close my account. Good job guys.
with attached melodramatic overreaction! someone fucked up and it sucks. no one's out to destroy the precious work of hardworking devoted fans or whatever.
I guess you dont read threads before posting huh
djplaeskool
Member
Meicyn
Gold Member
Excellent, it wouldn't be a proper GAF thread unless there was at least one contrarian reply in it.
PetriP-TNT
Member
Remove nerds, replace with animu boobies and asses. Brilliant really!
Sega, you are so dumb.
Sega, you are so dumb.
Why's your icon Pat from "two best friends"?
SpaceDrake
Member
This is a very Corporate Japanese way of going about marketing, is what it is. I can't say I'm terribly surprised.
This sort of stuff is also why I sigh every time I get a mail in my inbox from people asking if it's "okay" to show our games on Youtube or w/e. Yes, guys, we don't care THAT much! It's okay! Really!
Alternately, a section of 2channel going rabid is also something I could entirely believe.
This sort of stuff is also why I sigh every time I get a mail in my inbox from people asking if it's "okay" to show our games on Youtube or w/e. Yes, guys, we don't care THAT much! It's okay! Really!
Alternately, a section of 2channel going rabid is also something I could entirely believe.