The Sum of Zero
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Episode 9, holy shit
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Dr.Morris79
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End of Episode 9
If the hotty is hurt or killed, we riot!
Episode 10 will be a tough pill to swallow when it ends knowing most other shows are tripe.
If the hotty is hurt or killed, we riot!
Episode 10 will be a tough pill to swallow when it ends knowing most other shows are tripe.
Newuserdontflame
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Does anyone have the transcript for what Anjin says after offering to second her .. I cried.
The Sum of Zero
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Talking about what he says after he says "I will do it."?
Hell is no place I haven't already known. Let it from your mind.
lifa-cobex
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squeakywheel
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Who is the hotty?End of Episode 9
If the hotty is hurt or killed, we riot!
Episode 10 will be a tough pill to swallow when it ends knowing most other shows are tripe.
Dr.Morris79
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Who would you think?
Newuserdontflame
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I appreciate you.
Tieno
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Just saw episode 9. Every episode I say and think this to myself, but my god, this show is so beautiful.
I can't quite explain it, but the way this show ebs and flows, the cadence of it, is so calming and pulls you in, it's quite something.
Every scene and frame you feel the love from everyone who made this show.
I can't quite explain it, but the way this show ebs and flows, the cadence of it, is so calming and pulls you in, it's quite something.
Every scene and frame you feel the love from everyone who made this show.
Mariko is such a beautiful character
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Tieno
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Saw the final very satisfied. Sad to see the show come to an end.
I'm quite satisfied the show final centered around Mariko's actions and death and didn't want to 'ejuculate' all over the audience with some huge battle just because that's what they think the audience wants... it's not what this series is about. Toronaga a great leader prepared to do horrible shit further his goal, sheesh.
Lukaku's First Touch
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There is not going to be a season 2? I hope so as its amazing, ep 10 was great!!
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Dr.Morris79
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March Climber
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I am reading on certain sites that there will be no season 2 and the book also ended here. This is one of those moments where I would really want Hulu to have a ‘behind the episode’ like HBO.
If that doesn’t happen, my hope is that a youtuber will breakdown this show and the book/previous show into an hour-long explanation on the ending and what we were supposed to learn from it.
I understand the general themes of
…But I can’t shake the feeling that this was a ‘book 1 of 2’ situation and no one really knows the harsh truth about that except for the writer.
If that doesn’t happen, my hope is that a youtuber will breakdown this show and the book/previous show into an hour-long explanation on the ending and what we were supposed to learn from it.
I understand the general themes of
winning a conflict with as little death as possible(peaceful option) and Blackthorne finally coming to terms with his experience in Japan, changing as a person, his integration into their customs, and accepting his fate.
…But I can’t shake the feeling that this was a ‘book 1 of 2’ situation and no one really knows the harsh truth about that except for the writer.
Tieno
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There's an official podcast on disneyplus and podcasts platforms, I'm actually listening to the one on episode 10 atm. Also checkout Pete Peppers (https://www.youtube.com/@PetePeppers1), he usually takes a few days with his breakdowns but I prefer him.
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THE DUCK
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I was kind of the opposite......I really wanted some clever outmanueuver battle scene, the show deserved it! Show was still 9.5/10 though, easily best show I have seen this year!
Cyberpunkd
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See, I wanted to do that as well, but then I noticed the audiobook version is 53 hours long.
Oberstein
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1x10
A much-awaited finale, and it didn't disappoint me. From the outset, the series has focused on the characters' relationship, the dialogue and the build-up between them.
The fact that we don't see the battle of Sekigahara is almost minor. Toranaga has completely overtaken his opponents, victory is assured, and there's almost no need to show more.
In fact, the only action scene that is merely exposition is in episode 3 in the forest. They have to escape, but a few katana blows don't change anything. In fact, that's the beauty of it: the rare action scenes move the story forward.
And it's all about maneuvering to stay one step ahead of your enemies. Incidentally, I might have liked an extra scene for Ochiba, who, even though we understand her purpose, seems to fade into the background, even though she was presented as the main antagonist. Except that, well, Toranaga isn't particularly sympathetic in this story. If I had one negative point to highlight, it would be the absence of color compared to the 1980 series. Okay, the costumes are much better, but I find that the overall palette is too often focused on gray/earth tones.
But that doesn't detract from the series' cinematographic craziness:
A much-awaited finale, and it didn't disappoint me. From the outset, the series has focused on the characters' relationship, the dialogue and the build-up between them.
The fact that we don't see the battle of Sekigahara is almost minor. Toranaga has completely overtaken his opponents, victory is assured, and there's almost no need to show more.
In fact, the only action scene that is merely exposition is in episode 3 in the forest. They have to escape, but a few katana blows don't change anything. In fact, that's the beauty of it: the rare action scenes move the story forward.
And it's all about maneuvering to stay one step ahead of your enemies. Incidentally, I might have liked an extra scene for Ochiba, who, even though we understand her purpose, seems to fade into the background, even though she was presented as the main antagonist. Except that, well, Toranaga isn't particularly sympathetic in this story. If I had one negative point to highlight, it would be the absence of color compared to the 1980 series. Okay, the costumes are much better, but I find that the overall palette is too often focused on gray/earth tones.
But that doesn't detract from the series' cinematographic craziness:
The Sum of Zero
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Loved the series so much, I went and got the book. Can't wait to read it.
Trilobit
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I kept thinking that if Disney Star Wars had anything close to this level of writing and characters I'd be so excited for their projects.
Tieno
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The more I think back on this show, the more I appreciate it. I've been watching some clips and can't get over how many good actors and characters there are in this show. All so well acted, scenes and dialogue so well crafted and with so much reverence and respect.
The scene of Buntaro's sacrifice. Buntaro a very flawed husband, but great samurai. Toranaga calls out his name and gives him a legendary sign of respect, he turns to his wife but he gets no emotion from her. What an amazing scene. Gives me goosebumps. That is drama.
The scene of Buntaro's sacrifice. Buntaro a very flawed husband, but great samurai. Toranaga calls out his name and gives him a legendary sign of respect, he turns to his wife but he gets no emotion from her. What an amazing scene. Gives me goosebumps. That is drama.
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Tieno
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lol, I see tiktok trend coming....
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ManaByte
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It's a mini-series based on a book. No season 2.
Kurotri
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Goddamn it. I just finished it and I don't know what to think.
But I gotta say, Anna Sawai and Hiroyuki Sanada knocked it out of the park. Especially at the later episodes. Episode 8 and 9 are my absolute favourites and their performance in them were insanely good.
The ending felt very anti-climatic to me. Like insane amounts of build up and then it's just poof. Don't get me wrong it's not like I wanted the huge Sekigahara battle to actually be shown. It's clear that this was a very character driven drama and I appreciated that a lot, also it was obvious that budget was an issue tbh. But I wanted some sort of closure, some sort of "a few years later.." where we see certain characters and how they live. Instead what the ending basically gives you is "this and that is gonna happen...but well anyway fade to black". Felt like it stopped in the middle of it all, could've definitely used another episode.
Otherwise it was an exceptional show, but the ending felt very flat.
Otherwise it was an exceptional show, but the ending felt very flat.
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I don't remember the book well, as i read it some 30 years ago, but the show was ok-ish.
Just finished it a few hours ago and i must say it didn't really hit. They lost the nerve somewhere along the way, and as a drama story, left to be desired, especially in terms of narrative structure and focus.
Worth a watch, though definitelly overrated.
Just finished it a few hours ago and i must say it didn't really hit. They lost the nerve somewhere along the way, and as a drama story, left to be desired, especially in terms of narrative structure and focus.
Worth a watch, though definitelly overrated.
AeonGaidenRaiden
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I was really hoping for some epic-ness in the end, it kinda felt underwhelming. I get the message but I also didn't read the book so I had a completely different outcome in my head. The show started off strong but as it went further, it just mellowed out.
LordOfChaos
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That was beautiful.
I know many would have wanted to see the war on screen more, but it's based around real events and the war went on for 3 years after our characters story arcs here concluded. I was totally fine with how it was about our people, more so than the war.
Fuji is so sweet and pure, I'm glad she got some self determination and something close to contentment, even if she can't be "happy" after her child and husband's deaths.Also
I know many would have wanted to see the war on screen more, but it's based around real events and the war went on for 3 years after our characters story arcs here concluded. I was totally fine with how it was about our people, more so than the war.
Fuji is so sweet and pure, I'm glad she got some self determination and something close to contentment, even if she can't be "happy" after her child and husband's deaths.Also
It's a change from the book where she was allowed to kill herself but asked to make it look like an accident, so we won, she lived!