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Shadow of the Colossus Trailer PS4 (E3 2017)
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Ummm...no? The game's story is set by a guy who's mastered that narrative style more than almost any other developer, so I'd rather not have the fanfic + the extra colossi that were probably cut for a reason, thankyouverymuch. Maybe as unlockable extras in a boss mode though.
So much hype
So poor sales.
This is like a little favor from Sony, because (and let's be real) no one cares about this game (take the recepcion of The Last Guardian for example)
I don't know how to react since this game was the best thing on the Sony conference. A little sad at least.
EDIT.
Im really hyped to give this game a new chance. I tried on PS2 and PS3 without any luck. Please be good.
So poor sales.
This is like a little favor from Sony, because (and let's be real) no one cares about this game (take the recepcion of The Last Guardian for example)
I don't know how to react since this game was the best thing on the Sony conference. A little sad at least.
EDIT.
Im really hyped to give this game a new chance. I tried on PS2 and PS3 without any luck. Please be good.
Ico, SotC and TLG are all 'similar' and all (fan wise) linked in the same universe.
TLG is like and updated Ico where Trico is in place of Yorda - if you liked TLG then give that game a go.
SotC is like a collection of end of level bosses - and like Trico they are all big creatures which you find around a big (mostly empty) open world which you traverse on Argo (your horse). When you find the each Colossus you figure a way to climb on (like Trico) and find it's weak spot(s).
If you liked TLG you will likely like this - hell IMHO every gamer should play all these games (or at least try them) - my kids have all played them and whilst they are generally addicted to shooters really enjoy the change of pace/originality and whole experience.
I'm not saying they should change the game at all though, just for them to be in the game in some capacity. I'd be perfectly happy for them to be optional fights
how is the game considered a blockbuster?...I hear sales were pretty disappointing...maybe it sold well in Japan where these type of games tend to do better then in other parts of the world
More_Badass
Member
Same. I would have been 13 when SoTC came out, so in some ways the game is for me what FF7 is for those from the past generarion. Seeing the game, in all its modern upgraded glory, was a "dream game come true" moment for me.
Blockbuster in terms of scale and action, etc.
Yeah, I'm in the kickstarter - will likely be playing this before the beta of PFTG lol
I'm actually surprised everyone didn't immediately realize this was a complete asset overhaul. It just remains to be seen what's underneath. After Crash though this seems to be a trend for Sony -- total asset overhauls of classic games. What's next?
Anyway, could anyone tell me what approach Crash takes? I've never played any Crash games so I don't know if that's just new assets over gameplay that's identical to PS1, or something different. That's pretty much what Modern Warefare Remastered is -- the actual game underneath is basically 1:1 with the 2007 version, they just replaced every single visual aspect of it while staying faithful to the original art direction. Halo Anniversary is the same thing, except those new assets really were running on top of the exact same engine as the 2001 game, because you could press select and instantly switch back and forth between original and new graphics. The downside in Halo's case is that it still used the 2001 animations which looked janky when paired up with 2011 graphics.
Bluepoint doesn't seem like the kind of developer to make decisions on gameplay and design and all that -- it just seems to want to update things visually. I haven't done an in-motion comparison so I don't know if the animations and physics are the same. Other than the lighting though it does seem that the art assets are faithful to the original art direction. Lighting looks different. Wander still looks like a character designed for a PS2 character, given a modern amount of polygons. Contrast how he looks here with, say, Aloy who looks like she was designed with PS4-levels of detail in mind.
Anyway, could anyone tell me what approach Crash takes? I've never played any Crash games so I don't know if that's just new assets over gameplay that's identical to PS1, or something different. That's pretty much what Modern Warefare Remastered is -- the actual game underneath is basically 1:1 with the 2007 version, they just replaced every single visual aspect of it while staying faithful to the original art direction. Halo Anniversary is the same thing, except those new assets really were running on top of the exact same engine as the 2001 game, because you could press select and instantly switch back and forth between original and new graphics. The downside in Halo's case is that it still used the 2001 animations which looked janky when paired up with 2011 graphics.
Bluepoint doesn't seem like the kind of developer to make decisions on gameplay and design and all that -- it just seems to want to update things visually. I haven't done an in-motion comparison so I don't know if the animations and physics are the same. Other than the lighting though it does seem that the art assets are faithful to the original art direction. Lighting looks different. Wander still looks like a character designed for a PS2 character, given a modern amount of polygons. Contrast how he looks here with, say, Aloy who looks like she was designed with PS4-levels of detail in mind.
brickarts295
Member
At this rate, I think the combination of great reviews, a good release date and word of mouth can really help sell this game to masses.
Wander still runs similarly, but it seems as though he has more frames and isn't lurching forward as much.
I have faith in Bluepoint though, given it's unlikely this is happening without Ueda's blessing.
I wonder if ICO will be given the same treatment. Anyway, a lovely surprise at this E3.
I have faith in Bluepoint though, given it's unlikely this is happening without Ueda's blessing.
I wonder if ICO will be given the same treatment. Anyway, a lovely surprise at this E3.
my guess is that it'll do about as well as Last Guardian...this is unfortunately considered a niche game...this is no Tomb Raider or Uncharted which is what the majority enjoy...this seems like a game that people who enjoyed the original will play for the nostalgia factor
This is the last chance for Ueda.
simple_sleep
Neo Member
That's what I said. Not to necessarily include them as "main" bosses, but include some option to fight them nonetheless. Like only being accessible after beating the whole game; or in a new game plus; something. It's perfectly doable to include them in a way that still respects the original story and vision of the game.
Now that I think of it, the original vision WAS to have more colossi. Ueda has stated that several times. In a way, this would be the perfect opportunity to achieve that.
I don't think this will tank. I can see it doing over a million quite easily actually.
For what? Sony still want to work with him regardless of this remake.
This certainly looks somewhere in-between that, and many "remasters" or "remakes" fall into a grey area too.
I can think of maybe four levels:
Level 1 -- simple remaster. Same assets, higher res. Examples: Most remasters really. Metal Gear Collection, PS3 verisons of Ico and Colossus, etc.
Level 2 -- touched-up assets. Higher res, assets improved noticeably but not monumentally. Examples: Final Fantasy X/X2, FFXII, really most of the Square Enix remasters. A lot of PC texture mods (like RE4HD).
Level 3 -- complete visual overhaul. Completely new assets brought up to modern standards, exact same game underneath. Examples: Halo Anniversary, Modern Warfare Remastered, Ocarina of Time 3DS, Starcraft 1 HD.
Level 4 -- completely new game. No original code base. New gameplay added. Totally new game bearing the same name. Examples: Final Fantasy VII Remake, Resident Evil 1 Remake.
More_Badass
Member
SoTC was a PS2 Platinum Hit
Dont think it was exactly a flop
Samanosuke Akechi
Member
Especially considering this was in 2005 before the FPS boom of COD. Sales figures like those were considered great back then. As you said, definitely not a flop.
crackhead_bob
Member
Any chance:
-- They'll add new locations?
-- They'll add a few new Colossi?
-- Populate the map with new landmarks, enemies, etc?
-- Improve on the sluggish controls?
-- They'll add new locations?
-- They'll add a few new Colossi?
-- Populate the map with new landmarks, enemies, etc?
-- Improve on the sluggish controls?
Is it me or the game lacks the bloom of the original? That bloom gave the OG a dreamy/eerie feeling that is possibly missing here and that would impact the overall feeling
Furthermore I think the game is overall less green-ish and more grey-ish also impacting the overall perception. But this is a very personal perception and I could easily be wrong.
Furthermore I think the game is overall less green-ish and more grey-ish also impacting the overall perception. But this is a very personal perception and I could easily be wrong.
Yabberwocky
Member
I've watched the trailer a few times, and every time I watch it I'm incapable at not getting choked up at the choral version of Revived Power when the SotC title pops up, lawd.
It's so damn weird seeing something you're so familiar with look so familiar, yet slightly different at the same time. It's so fucking weird to see Wander not... blocky. Like, his legs and thighs are rounded. The Colossi's fur moves organically. The water by the sunken 'bridge' near the third colossi - (0:24) I remember clambering up that structure from the water, over and over again, because I had such trouble with the third colossi. It's so similar to my memories, yet so different. Also seeing all the texture detail on the colossi.
...this post is super weird, and I'm feeling SotC sentimental, ahem.
I think you're right, the original game was definitely bloom heavy - which I did enjoy, it made the world feel very distinct. What we've seen of the 2018 version looks a bit darker? I do agree, it's a lot grayer.
It's so damn weird seeing something you're so familiar with look so familiar, yet slightly different at the same time. It's so fucking weird to see Wander not... blocky. Like, his legs and thighs are rounded. The Colossi's fur moves organically. The water by the sunken 'bridge' near the third colossi - (0:24) I remember clambering up that structure from the water, over and over again, because I had such trouble with the third colossi. It's so similar to my memories, yet so different. Also seeing all the texture detail on the colossi.
...this post is super weird, and I'm feeling SotC sentimental, ahem.
I think you're right, the original game was definitely bloom heavy - which I did enjoy, it made the world feel very distinct. What we've seen of the 2018 version looks a bit darker? I do agree, it's a lot grayer.
An article from 2012
The Best-Selling HD Remasters At Retail
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/02/17/the-best-selling-hd-remasters-at-retail.aspx
Probably the latter
Wander has a full new moveset and probably this will reflect in climbing the Colossi
It's a remake, Bluepoint have stated as much.
mcz117chief
Member
Atrociously bad trailer but I love Shadow of the Colossus so I will definitely pick this up. If you compare it to the HD trailer it is quite embarrassing.
Let's hope not, damn, that would be terrible, specifically putting random enemies around the map. But I don't understand the "sluggish controls" thing, it plays just fine on both PS2 and 3. New locations, if they are tiny or just some Easter egg rooms then I wouldn't mind. Like one thing that would be cool was if you could see, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY off in the distance the ruins of Queen's castle.
Let's hope not, damn, that would be terrible, specifically putting random enemies around the map. But I don't understand the "sluggish controls" thing, it plays just fine on both PS2 and 3. New locations, if they are tiny or just some Easter egg rooms then I wouldn't mind. Like one thing that would be cool was if you could see, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY off in the distance the ruins of Queen's castle.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
Bluepoint games worked on all these games and remasters:
Blast Factor
The Ico & Shadow of the Colossus Collection
Metal Gear Solid HD Collection
PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale
Titanfall
Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection
Gravity Rush Remastered
Flower
God of War Collection
Blast Factor
The Ico & Shadow of the Colossus Collection
Metal Gear Solid HD Collection
PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale
Titanfall
Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection
Gravity Rush Remastered
Flower
God of War Collection
I don't think they're going to add to or change the gameplay at all.
Can't find any source of this.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Uhhhhhhhh
Wat.
I went into the trailer expecting a basic minimal remaster, but holy fucking shit this looks much closer to a remake bespoke for PS4.
Based Sony.
Wat.
I went into the trailer expecting a basic minimal remaster, but holy fucking shit this looks much closer to a remake bespoke for PS4.
Based Sony.
Thanks, I didn't get far enough through the thread but I see now. Weird how Sony social media stated it was a remaster.
Joelstinton14
Member
So happy with this announcement ,for me the best part of the sony conference.
It weird to say this, but it kind of feels right that this is getting a remake - it is one title that perhaps technology and graphical fidelity can improve it. It deserves that scope.
It weird to say this, but it kind of feels right that this is getting a remake - it is one title that perhaps technology and graphical fidelity can improve it. It deserves that scope.
CosmicGroinPull
Member
No. I'm not going to kill them a second time, no matter how nice the graphics are.
I'm personally predicting a level 3, with some additional control improvements on top.
FantasticMrSnake
Member
Nice! I hope they do the same to ico..
and remove the hud from the last guardian please? xD
what's that?
and remove the hud from the last guardian please? xD
what's that?
Yea, Sony did the same thing with the Crash remakes; called them remasters on several occasions for some reason.
Last_colossi
Member
This was so nice to see at the conference and I know this is in good hands, if I had to choose one developer to make this besides Team Ico themselves it would be Bluepoint because I know they will keep this as faithful to the original as possible and still make it absolutely beautiful.