You seem to be really upset over this for some reason. "The Sony fucks". lol, what are you, twelve?
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Should the WiiU have at trophy/achievement system?
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You seem to be really upset over this for some reason. "The Sony fucks". lol, what are you, twelve?
bemusedchunk
Banned
Then why are there still achievements for things like "Press Start!" or "Watched Endgame Credits". Are these objectives?
GuessMyUserName
Member
Absolutely. Of course it's not mandatory or anything, but while I haven't played my PS3 or 360 in forever I still do enjoy having a list of all the games I've played, recording everything I've done on them. It's just nice to look back on and I'm never going to understand the resistance to them, it's an extra that can easily be avoided if you're uninterested.
Sure, they're poor objectives, but sure.
When I flash "Press start" on the screen, my goal is to get the player to press start.
This line of argument stems from a guy saying that the presence of achievements dictates the design of the game, because they must design objectives to be fulfilled. The apparent use of "press start' achievements dispels this notion - devs don't have to spend time thinking up objectives to be filled. Everything has an objective.
flatearthpandas
Member
Organization. Comparison.
And I don't want a mandatory system. I'm okay with devs choosing not to include them. But I want an actual system. Miiverse is NOT an achievement system. It is a forum.
Agreed with all of this. Also wanna add that whenever I add someone to my friend list the first thing I do is compare trophies just to see how much overlap there is and what else they're into.
Mihos
Gold Member
I would like it if it had them. It gives me a push to go back and see what I missed or try things I normally wouldn't.
I can tell you I played/replayed a lot of stuff on the Xbox version of Bayonetta that I know I won't bother with at all on the WiiU version because of it. The Mario Stars and Stickers are the only reason I bothered with those crappy Cpt Toad levels. It killed me to have the star empty on a stage I had everything else.
I can tell you I played/replayed a lot of stuff on the Xbox version of Bayonetta that I know I won't bother with at all on the WiiU version because of it. The Mario Stars and Stickers are the only reason I bothered with those crappy Cpt Toad levels. It killed me to have the star empty on a stage I had everything else.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
This would seem to be the best compromise system wouldn't it?
But some people aren't happy with that.
So they will keep demanding ALL games MUST have achievements.
And Valve and Nintendo will continue not doing that.
Comparison to what? It does seem like showing off.
Organization is an odd one, I don't see any reason to organize your games by achievements, but yeah miiverse does not offer that. If its about games you haven't played or have played little the backlog works well for that.
I'll always love achievements/trophies and I'll never quite be able to articulate why. I just like having recognition for what I do, and I like keeping a tally. I just do.
If you don't care or don't like it -- okay, that's fine, but who is it hurting?
The lack of such a system on Wii U is actually a turn off for me.
If you don't care or don't like it -- okay, that's fine, but who is it hurting?
The lack of such a system on Wii U is actually a turn off for me.
Starwolf_UK
Member
It is crazy to think that in an odd way the European website had more achievements than a Nintendo console has ever had:
Of course you couldn't show these to anyone and no I don't remember what any of them were for.
Though thinking about sensibly accomplishments and stamps are way better than those.
Of course you couldn't show these to anyone and no I don't remember what any of them were for.
Though thinking about sensibly accomplishments and stamps are way better than those.
Projectjustice
Banned
Communities work very well to find people with your same interests gaming-wise, I don't see the need to compare trophies to achieve that, trophies are an indicative on how skilled or how far you are in the game, they really don't tell you directly how much a person likes the game.
Maybe if there was a way to see how much communities you belong to in miiverse would be a good idea, I don't know if it offers that now though.
Pancakes R Us
Member
This. I've no interest in achievements whatsoever but would like for them to be available for those that do.
I'd rather be able to do this with an actual living friend I know in real life, which is what I was describing. I don't form my opinions from strangers, actually, in general. I generally have a tight group of people whose opinions I seek out, and what I described is one way I do this.
Although, truthfully, what you are describing with Miiverse would be in essence an achievement system. I just don't think, currently, Miiverse offers what I look for in such a system.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
So what's the problem with a system like Steams where there is a central profile, but game developers can choose whether they use it or not?
BRocknRolla
Member
I don't care if they add one. I'd certainly just ignore it if they did. (Just like I do with all my other consoles/steam.)
The Wii U in fact broke me of my interest in achievements. It reminded me that games are just enjoyable in and of themselves, and seeing those achievement pop-ups or chasing some sort of very specific goal often drags you away from the core experience.
The Wii U in fact broke me of my interest in achievements. It reminded me that games are just enjoyable in and of themselves, and seeing those achievement pop-ups or chasing some sort of very specific goal often drags you away from the core experience.
flatearthpandas
Member
Comparison to other players. Whether it seems like showing off or no, Miiverse does not give you the option to compare your achievements with your friends. Whether you like the idea of "bragging rights" or not, other achievement systems have this functionality built in and Miiverse does not.
By organization, I'm talking something as simple as filtering all of your achievements by game. The easiest way to see what Deus Ex achievements I've unlocked is put the disc in my Wii U and open the actual game. If Miiverse was supposed to be an alternative to the achievement systems of other systems, which it absolutely isn't, it would have failed in the most basic concept of organization and cataloging.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Seconded. I understand that some people "never look at trophies." But I sure as heck do. It's a quick way to see their tastes and what games they've played recently.
Agreed with this as well. Just give us them with the option to hide them (cough Sony cough) so people who don't want them don't have to deal.
flatearthpandas
Member
Who said there was a problem? I'm sure most people would be thrilled if Nintendo had a system like Steam. I would. They don't though.
You can hide your trophies on Sony systems. Alternately, you can choose to hide trophies only for specific games. This is in your privacy settings.
Pretty sure you can also turn off notifications, if that is what you mean.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
I was talking notifications, but kind of more for specific games. Did they actually add that? Because dear God would I like to toggle that feature for some games.
flatearthpandas
Member
Ah. I've heard you can hide the notifications but I don't mind them personally so can't confirm or deny.
For hiding the actual trophies, it's got limited usefulness, imho. You personally can still see the trophies and they still show up on your trophy list, but other people aren't able to look at them. You can do this for all games or choose specific games. I have confirmed this works just yesterday.
J
Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
IMO the Activity Log is a feature that the Wii U should improve upon. The 3DS one is great.
True, it's weird the Wii U's log is so pared down. I mean it's nice to have regardless, but the 3DS' is awesome.
Lord Malachite
Member
Comparing Trophies with people I meet online or in my Friend's list is something I enjoy, as it helps me determine how similar or divergent our interests in game is. I get a real kick out of putting my list against other players and seeing what I have done that they have not and vice-verse. It's like an additional game in and of itself. I especially enjoy it in games like Watch_Dogs with the Hacking / Tailing mechanic--it's fun to see how other people are playing the same game.
Implementing such a system would likely benefit Nintendo in the long run, but it doesn't seem like something they are interested in. I certainly don't think it could hurt--gamers who don't want to be involved should just be given the option to turn the notifications off like other consoles offer and ignore them altogether. I'm surprised there's such a debate over the issue--collect them if you like them, ignore them if you don't. Either way, enjoy your games to their fullest, I mean, they certainly cost enough!
Implementing such a system would likely benefit Nintendo in the long run, but it doesn't seem like something they are interested in. I certainly don't think it could hurt--gamers who don't want to be involved should just be given the option to turn the notifications off like other consoles offer and ignore them altogether. I'm surprised there's such a debate over the issue--collect them if you like them, ignore them if you don't. Either way, enjoy your games to their fullest, I mean, they certainly cost enough!
why is it too late? it wasnt too late for PS3... hell MGS4 didnt get trophies for like 3 years or something
DC1
Member
yes
I came here to post my flaming passionate indifference.
The games themselves tend to have things to complete which I can ignor or not. As for making a public record of my playing? yeah, it's kinda nice i guess.
i think adding trophies/achievements is a great idea (im pro-trophies)
Think about it... when uncharted and MGS4 came out... i played the SHIT out of them 100%ing uncharted and getting 50ish% in MGS4
then i stopped playing them because i beat em and moved on to other games...
Then they added trophies and i WENT BACK to the games! and 100% uncharted again... effectively giving it a whole new repay values worth of gaming. same with MGS4.
Trophies give game replayability when they otherwise could be one shots...
Most of the time when i play, i play the game for the story first... any trophies obtained through this first playthrough is just bonus.
Once this main playthrough is done... i will usually go back and get those trophies (if its fun to do so... if not... then fuck it... no loss right?)
This can only be a good thing... adding features never hurts (usually lol) if you dont care about trophies... you dont need to focus on them... if you do like them... great!
Think about it... when uncharted and MGS4 came out... i played the SHIT out of them 100%ing uncharted and getting 50ish% in MGS4
then i stopped playing them because i beat em and moved on to other games...
Then they added trophies and i WENT BACK to the games! and 100% uncharted again... effectively giving it a whole new repay values worth of gaming. same with MGS4.
Trophies give game replayability when they otherwise could be one shots...
Most of the time when i play, i play the game for the story first... any trophies obtained through this first playthrough is just bonus.
Once this main playthrough is done... i will usually go back and get those trophies (if its fun to do so... if not... then fuck it... no loss right?)
This can only be a good thing... adding features never hurts (usually lol) if you dont care about trophies... you dont need to focus on them... if you do like them... great!
IsntChrisL
Member
I'd much rather unlock actual content in a game than receive a false sense of achievement from someone maybe looking at my trophy list. It doesn't hurt to have, but if I had to choose, I'd rather unlock content than a pointless achievement that does dick all to improve my enjoyment of the game.
KojiKnight
Member
I love the stamps in Super Mario 3D Land and I think that should be Nintendo equivalent. Incentivize all games brought to the system to have their own per-game achievements that unlock miiverse stamps. It pushes more people to miiverse as well which is also a huge plus.
L4DANathan
Member
I would say yes, but some people have pointed out how it's a bit too late for them to throw that in for the WiiU. Hopefully the next system though. At the end of the day, if they have competent options like turning off the notifications, then there's no downside and they may as well put it in to appease people, even if it's only a small crowd.
It probably should just to get people who must have them to buy more games, but I personally don't care. My gamerscore is ~5,400 (I checked prior to making this post, as I was curious) and I've owned a 360 since mid-2007. I probably have some trophies, but I couldn't tell you which.
If someone wants to know how far along I am in a game, they can ask me (or if I want to tell them, I'll tell them). Same goes for them telling me or me asking them.
But I do get that some people like them -- I used to have a compulsion to 100% games many years ago, too.
If someone wants to know how far along I am in a game, they can ask me (or if I want to tell them, I'll tell them). Same goes for them telling me or me asking them.
But I do get that some people like them -- I used to have a compulsion to 100% games many years ago, too.
SuperDowns
Banned
Yes. It should be in the form of Miiverse stamps.
A lot of people who say "no" are happy with the current system which includes achievements. They prefer the tailored approach over the one size fits all approach. It's nothing to do with being anti achievement.
It's not really an additional feature when it already exist, it's just changing the approach.