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Shuhei Yoshida responds to PS4 gameplay capture rumor
- Thread starter LiK
- Start date
The amount of people that stream or upload to youtube is more bloated then alot of people realize. People care but it's not the deciding factor for alot of people.
Machinima is worried because they are literally a youtube business. That's it. They are funded almost entirely from YouTube and ad revenue so of course they are starting to get scared shitless with this. Add in the fact that they are known for a bias (nothing against being bias, just that it will be a factor for people) and the vid could come off like misdirection. I'm glad it got yosp and his trolling ass to be more clear about it because it really was necessary but the reasoning behind Machinima making the vid is what gets everyone.
TLDR: Machinima getting a little nervous because Sony might be fucking up there money flow so they put out that vid. It's messy but I get from a "business" sense why they are getting worried
Because some people who have a website that is popular enough to get noticed do not possess basic reading comprehension.
I don't understand, people have been capturing direct footage from ps3 all generation?
They used component for that which is through AV out while PS4 only has an HDMI out
Component or with an HDCP stripper.
jacksepticeye
Member
Well yeah I know all that, I never said people were using this as a deciding factor on buying the system. Just that a lot of people are clearly curious about the ambiguity about this side of things.
They messed up by saying it disallows ALL PS4 gameplay on youtube but it did bring to light for a lot of people that "Oh yeah can we actually record with something else?"
1. You can capture it via HDMI (w/ HDCP) with HDCP strippers (it's not complicated)
2. You can capture it via component (analog does not have an HDCP)
PS4 will not have option 2, so people are worried they'll have to strip the protection (should PS4 have it) if they want to capture.
Reposting for a new page since some people are still confused.
Metalmurphy
Member
there is no video in OP
Sorry, video where the rumor came from:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_DF8eidR-o#t=33
aggro crag
Member
I'm a little weirded out by the timing of this discussion? The PS3 had HDCP as well, the only difference was that there was that you could work around it using component cables. Now you just need to buy a HDCP stripper, which isn't a huge deal.
And I feel like most Twitch streamers and Youtube channel operators have known about for a while?
And I feel like most Twitch streamers and Youtube channel operators have known about for a while?
Oh, that could be a huge deal. Time to do some research.
thunder_snail
Member
I'm not too knowledgeable about hdcp but from wikipedia:
Which means there is no way Sony nor MS will be implementing HDCP 2.x on their systems unless they don't want it to work with most tv's.
If the console is smart enough to differentiate between a Blu-Ray game and a Blu-Ray movie (which it obviously will be, since even on PS3 they appear under different parts of the XMB), then surely they can selectively enable/disable protection based on the media type?
That's good.
So a Blu-Ray drive 4K with HDCP 2.2 only would work with a TV 4k with HDCP 2.2.
AuthenticM
Member
No third-party recording ? Is Giant Bomb fucked ?
SwiftDeath
Member
Of course not.
KimonoNoNo
Member
No they're big/connected enough to get test units if all else fails.
+ You have to think that with Vinny and Drew there they would have to know about Hdcp strippers.
AuthenticM
Member
So if I want to record gameplay and post it on the Internet, I have to use the share feature in the console ? I can't do it manually with my own software ?
maplelord93
Banned
so basically the rumor was correct lol. no capture cards basically means youtube video makers will all use xbox for their console of choice,
Like others said they are big enough to get recording annnnnd they are good friends with Boyes who brought the PS4 console to their own midnight chat during E3
They are in no way fucked imo
We don't know. You are able to capture PS3 via HDMI with some workarounds. The same may be necessary with PS4.
youtube video makers still could solve his problem for 15$, so 415 < 500
HellsimusPrime
Banned
How does @Yosp his tweet in anyway make this rumor correct? He hasnt confirmed or denied it.
NoirVisage
Banned
You should have stopped with lol, I don't know why you felt the need to add that part, its going to blow up in your face.
EdReedFan20
Member
Okay, I'm really lost here. Won't having all the share options make 3rd party devices pointless. I (probably wrong here) always figured that any gameplay you captured could be stored on your hard drive and exported out to another device (PC, media server, etc.), which could then be uploaded to YouTube. Also, it was my assumption (probably wrong here, too) that the 15 minute recording works similar to how live TV on a DVR works. A DVR is always recording a show when you watch it live by creating a temporary recording. This is how you are able to pause and rewind live TV. Eventually that recording reaches it's 15-30 minute maximum and a new recording is started, permanently deleting the previous recording. However, if you tell the DVR you want the program you're watching to to record it permanently, it does so. So, if recording on PS4 is similar to a DVR, you should are able to set a recording as long as you like. And then if you are able export that video out to anywhere you like, doesn't that remove the necessity of a 3rd party capture device?
JonathanPower
Member
Yes, but we actually don't know if you can record more than 15 minutes.
EdReedFan20
Member
I know. It was my personal assumption. I was just saying IF the PS4 can do what I said above, that would render the whole argument moot. I think what Shuhei meant in his tweet was they have yet to reveal the FULL details about video recording. I would assume we'll get more info at TGS, as it's the final major exhibition before the PS4's launch and Sony will have a lot of time dedicated to PS4 since Vita/Vita TV/PS3 (and the PS4's Japanese launch date) were already shown off at this week's event.
There's a lot of variables. First, Sony could just not allow you to export videos to an external HDD, simple as that. And even if they do, the video file could be in a format that's unrecognizable to video editing software. Second, the quality will almost certainly be better if it's recording with an external device since people can edit settings to get the recording just right. With an internal recording system, you're stuck with whatever options Sony gives you, if any at all.
For quickly uploading a cool highlight, I'm sure Sony's internal sharing options will do just fine. But for Gaming Websites and Gaming Youtube channels, there's no alternative to capture cards and professional editing software.
Macho Madness
Member
The built-in software, no matter how robust, will never be good enough. They need to remove HDCP from games.
EdReedFan20
Member
Yeah, if going by the videos you can upload directly to YouTube on PS3, the video quality HAS to improve. I know Peggle and Rag Doll Kung Fu: Fists of Platic can upload directly. Some games that produce a file on your hard drive vary in quality. Beat Sketcher, has decent quality, but the videos I exported from MLB 12 were terribly fuzzy at full resolution.
Maybe for professionals, but for most people it will be good enough. And professionals already have the equipment to get around HDCP...so I'm not seeing the issue.
Macho Madness
Member
It's illegal to strip HDCP.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Because HDCP has totally worked for this gen.
AuthenticM
Member
Is the law being enforced though ? Judging by the number of playthroughs of games on youtube, I'd guess not.
But PS3 content is protected by HDCP and current professionals record video just fine. So they're either bypassing HDCP or they have other means of recording. So what's the problem exactly?
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
If there is no proof stripping HDCP is illegal, then its simply FUD.
Unless, people are putting up something stupid like Walkthroughs before release date, no publisher is going to go after you for stripping the HDCP to show gameplay. Its the easiest and cheapest promotion of games out there.
Techically Publishers could of taken down channels for walkthroughs from day one. How you capture footage is irrelevant, you dont have a license to show it and definitely arent authorised to monitize it. The only one that has even tried is Nintendo and even then they backed down.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Again proof? And in which countries?
EmptySpace
Banned
"current professionals' = ign, gamespot, etc. all have debug units, or licenses to put up direct-feed videos from sony, go through sony's content publishing/marketing procedures and follow the rules sony have put in place, have permission and are officially recognized by sony = legal.
"others" = machinima, let's players, etc. have retail units, purchase third-party devices to circumvent the hdcp and put up videos and monetize from views = illegal.
for most (as in an overwhelmingly majority) of people, the share button is enough.
like people actually get caught doing it, they dont enforce it. Half of gaming youtube would be gone if they did
Yeah, the professionals will continue recording as they currently do and honestly share button is enough for the youtube folks.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Quick question. Dont most Youtube channels have a 15 min limit anyway?
No, there's a loophole with the law: It's illegal to remove the HDCP from the stream, but it is perfectly legal to have a valid HDCP-compliant device convert it to VGA. Every single HDCP-VGA converter out there is based on this principle.
As long as the "link" between HDCP devices isn't deliberately broken, it's fine.
Live Free or Die
Banned
It was always known it would have HDCP. People didn't know this?
Anyway might as well start a new Twitter campaign #NoHDCPonPS4
No, the limit is pretty high of your account is in good standing.