plagiarize
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how old SHOULD Maria/Mary be out of interest? to my knowledge her age is never stated in the game.Zombie James said:
yes, she sounds OLDER, but we don't know how old she's supposed to be afaik.
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Silent Hill HD Collection's new SH2 voices revealed
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yes, she sounds OLDER, but we don't know how old she's supposed to be afaik.
Zombie James
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plagiarize said:
Does she look closer to 25 or 50?
The Praiseworthy
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I want the old VA 
plagiarize
Banned
she doesn't look either to me. and she doesn't sound either with the new voice acting.Zombie James said:
i don't think the voice coming out of the body sounds too old based purely on what the model looks like.
edit: picture was too big and a bit spoilery. edited out.
Risk Breaker
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The Praiseworthy said:I want the old VA
You're not alone
kunonabi
Member
yep, I'm skipping this. I love Mary Elizabeth and she does good voice work but she sounds completely wrong for Mary and she really doesn't do a good job distinguishing her from Mary. Eddie sounds like somebody trying really hard to impersonate the original VA, an James sounds like generic dubbed anime hero #6497
Angela was really the only VA from the original game that I just couldn't stand. I don't even want to know what they do to SH3 at this point.
Mary Elizabeth would make a far better Claudia than she would Maria/Mary
Angela was really the only VA from the original game that I just couldn't stand. I don't even want to know what they do to SH3 at this point.
Mary Elizabeth would make a far better Claudia than she would Maria/Mary
Rahxephon91
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I don't think TTS technically has better voice acting.Zombie James said:
Maybe the old vs new dub of Akira would be a better comparison if you are familiar with that.
I get the complaints, after all SH2 is my favorite game and that old cheesy VA was pat of it.
But, it's still too little material to judge the quality of it.
So far, i kinda dig the new James, even though the older one sounded less serious, which made for a special Lynchian combination.
Maria is not bad, but the original one was perfectly fine, honestly.
Eddie was'nt good at all in the original VA, but i'm not liking this one either.
Also, the soundmix quality sounds VERY poor, wtf?!
EDIT: Also, fans are going to pick apart every line and delivery, but that's normal.
For example Mary in the "I am, if you want me to be" line, was more ironic and snarky in the original version, which i liked more.
But, it's still too little material to judge the quality of it.
So far, i kinda dig the new James, even though the older one sounded less serious, which made for a special Lynchian combination.
Maria is not bad, but the original one was perfectly fine, honestly.
Eddie was'nt good at all in the original VA, but i'm not liking this one either.
Also, the soundmix quality sounds VERY poor, wtf?!
EDIT: Also, fans are going to pick apart every line and delivery, but that's normal.
For example Mary in the "I am, if you want me to be" line, was more ironic and snarky in the original version, which i liked more.
gatotsu911
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That's probably the best analogy I can think of. The old dub is, realistically, pretty terrible, and the new one is pretty competent, but there are still tons of old-school fans who bemoan the new dub because they are so nostalgically attached to the old one.Rahxephon91 said:
I'll admit it's probably all nostalgia that's creating the "shock" in me towards these new voices, but I don't get why Konami would preview the new VO unmixed? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. These cookie cutter "clean studio" voices are probably going to help give everybody the wrong reaction. Still hyped, though!
TheJollyCorner
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Rahxephon91 said:
Mom's are tough.
Typographenia
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Man, it's people like you...Commanche Raisin Toast said:
I go quoting a post to respond to, and then someone like you has to just go and do it for me! GEEZ.
I'm not terribly upset with these, as it will really depend on the entire package whether or not they work. I have to say, though, Mary Elizabeth as Mary/Maria is really not working for me. I mean, she's doing a good job, but her voice is so recognizable in the songs that it just feels way out of place.
Not wild about Eddie or James, but hopefully the game will change my mind.
Looking forward to the Angela/Laura reveal, as Laura's VA has to be better, right?
hey_it's_that_dog
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The voices sound non-local, like they're a voiceover instead of coming from the characters' mouths, but that is presumably fixed in mixing and production or whatever. If this is the final work... not so good.
As for the quality of the voices themselves, Mary/Maria seem fine. I don't think I like the changes to Eddie, and new James sounds quite a bit like Nolan North when old James had a more distinct voice. I don't know why they had to gruff him up by 10% percent. Those are just my first impressions. Once people get used to the new voices it probably won't ruin the game for many people except serious fanatics. Never underestimate people's ability to adapt to novelty.
Also, what kind of contracts do they have with the old VAs such that paying royalties would cost more than hiring an all-new cast to re-do everything?
As for the quality of the voices themselves, Mary/Maria seem fine. I don't think I like the changes to Eddie, and new James sounds quite a bit like Nolan North when old James had a more distinct voice. I don't know why they had to gruff him up by 10% percent. Those are just my first impressions. Once people get used to the new voices it probably won't ruin the game for many people except serious fanatics. Never underestimate people's ability to adapt to novelty.
Also, what kind of contracts do they have with the old VAs such that paying royalties would cost more than hiring an all-new cast to re-do everything?
Chittagong
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Anyway, what do you mean "anyway"?!
Sounds different, but equally as bad as the original performances.
I think the new voice actors are doing a better job at reading from a script than the original cast. I know there's a lot of love for the old voice actors, but it's always been one of the things that I felt held back the SH series from true greatness, especially considering that SH1 came out the year after the incredibly voiced MGS1.
After MGS, the standard for voice work was changed considerably, and SH was always behind the curve in that regard.
I'm looking forward to the collection, and if I ultimately decide I hate the VO, I still have the original releases for the PS2.
I think the new voice actors are doing a better job at reading from a script than the original cast. I know there's a lot of love for the old voice actors, but it's always been one of the things that I felt held back the SH series from true greatness, especially considering that SH1 came out the year after the incredibly voiced MGS1.
After MGS, the standard for voice work was changed considerably, and SH was always behind the curve in that regard.
I'm looking forward to the collection, and if I ultimately decide I hate the VO, I still have the original releases for the PS2.
Typographenia
Member
That's what I want to know! I think there's just bad blood pre-hdcollection, and so they don't want to go crawling back to the old VAs.hey_it's_that_dog said:
I figured they were going to go really cheap with a bunch of no-name voice actors (which I might have preferred, honestly), but it sounds quite the contrary.
BlazingDarkness
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I played SH2 for the first time last year, it's not nostalgia.gatotsu911 said:
hey_it's_that_dog
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Figboy79 said:
I'm in the camp (I'm assuming there's a whole camp) that believes the original voice acting was bad, but bad in a special way that enhanced the uneasy feeling of the game. It's not something that would fly in a game released today, obviously, given that VO quality has improved considerably in the last decade. So maybe it's good that they've tried to maintain some of the awkwardness.
Matt2thefuture
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I get that people like to keep things pure and original. But to be honest the old voices weren't great or amazing, so I don't mind them changing them if it means we get better quality audio...however on the other hand, I didn't think the originals were horrible and need of replacing, so if it's not about making these Dolby 5.1 or 7.1 or whatever and more about performance it seems unnecessary.
Prince of Space
Banned
James and Eddie sound alright, but I'm not sold on Mary McGlynn as Mary/Maria, if only because I instantly recognized her voice, which completely took me out of the video, and the original Mary is hard to top -- she sold that character.
Acquiescence
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Sounds weird as hell, but the voices are isolated from any effects or music, so I guess they would come off pretty strange. I'm sure once everything is mixed and set in stone it'll sound a lot more natural. Really though, no matter how good the new voice acting is, it'll still suffer from the godawful script. Don't get me wrong, I love Silent Hill 2, but the cut-scenes were often cringe-worthy fare. If we're lucky, Konami will shake up the script enough so that we don't have to hear James chastising Eddie for eating pizza while there's monsters running around or Angela's elongated call of "MOMMMA!?"
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
James sounds okay, but Mary, Maria, and Eddie all sound pretty bad.
I still hate that they'd do something like this. I was looking forward to playing SH2 in HD, too.
I still hate that they'd do something like this. I was looking forward to playing SH2 in HD, too.
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
Yeah, James's new actor really gives off this "anime / Japanese protagonist vibe" (and yes I know who it is). It's not like his voice is bad, it is better than the other characters we see in that video, but it really doesn't fit James at all.
gatotsu911
Member
I actually kind of agree, but at the same time I think this effect was not at all the intention of the original creators - clearly they wanted the game to be dramatic, not "campy-but-kind-of-effectual-in-its-own-special-way". If that was the case, I doubt so many of the scenes that were supposed to carry pathos would have ended up being mangled by the horrible voice acting (seriously, the scene wherehey_it's_that_dog said:
James confesses to murdering Mary
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Somnium986
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Glorious.BatmanBatmanBatman said:
Magicpaint
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Bad...but not as bad as I was expecting based on the comments I read here.
BlazingDarkness
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sixteen-bit
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Awesome.BatmanBatmanBatman said:
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
I don't doubt that the new voices will be a massive improvement. Looking forward to this. Atleast I won't have to put up with the old James' actor again. He's so bad I feel forced to mute the TV whenever he speaks.
The awkward voices from the OG are a big part of what makes Silent Hill 2, or any SH game, interesting. There is definitely a disconnect with these new voices, but since I was there from the beginning maybe it's just the nostalgic factor that's so strong. Regardless, the atmosphere feels tampered.
This is why you never get rid of/replace your originals. Ports/updates are nice to have, but you never know what you are going to get when a company/dev updates something. I look at this collection as a convenient, supplemental version. It's not something I'd be happy about if this was my ONLY way to play these games. Oh well.
This is why you never get rid of/replace your originals. Ports/updates are nice to have, but you never know what you are going to get when a company/dev updates something. I look at this collection as a convenient, supplemental version. It's not something I'd be happy about if this was my ONLY way to play these games. Oh well.
Hitoribhoshi
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everybody, take your games, and let's go to the pcsx2 thread and play them in higher res and for FREE. (you're not getting my money konami! what's next ? no yamaoka score ?)
