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SNES classic to cost R$ 999 on Brazil
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PT defense force? No wonder Brazil is so messed up.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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Brazil's government high taxes are the major problem of such high prices. It's a way of keeping the government bigger and bigger and use the fake premise of "more taxes more services" bullshit, same used in socialist countries that the state machine becomes too powerful and careless about the well being of its people. Just look at Venezuela now
Dude, don't get me wrong, but 15k USD/year is not a great salary even converting to Brazilian Reais.
But also you need to account the cost of living on top of it.
StereoVsn
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Considering that taxes are included this is actually not that bad except for the Switch, which is a weird outlier. Brazil and Argentina on the other hand...
W. L. Saga
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Booker.DeWitt
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I am Brazilian and I have left my home country in 2009, and I don't look back. The country is great, beautiful, but the goverment and heavy taxes are the WORST. I have reached the american dream thanks to the US lifestyle and capitalism!!!
USA USA!!!
USA USA!!!
DonF
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Dont exagerate, you cant get it for $280.000 or 450 usd, taxes included. Its way more than 300 usd, but still.
Also nes classic at launch was like $60.000 or 96 usd.
Considering Import taxes and shipping to Chile, its not THAT bad.
People from brazil and argentina come to chile and buy tons of electronics, they come just to shop.
No, it isn't. The taxes are bad enough, but this absurd price isn't the result of taxes alone, its the result of greed. But when people keep blaming the government for everything, this is when companies know they can twist the knife as much as they want
PixelHorror
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The thing is, you see: our currency is pretty weak against USD. A minimum wage in Colombia is roughly $253USD. So these things are always better to buy in the gray market.
You can complain about a LOT of things they did in their time in power, but raising the money of the most poor is not one of those things. And minimum wage is among those things.
That insane grow ? Exactly when they entered power
PMDB is barely 6 months in power and they already confirmed a DECREASE in minimum wage
deriks
4-Time GIF/Meme God
Maybe. I mean, the Mega Drive here costs R$450...
I expect something around the R$500 on the classic SNES.
You can complain about a LOT of things they did in their time in power, but raising the money of the most poor is not one of those things. And minimum wage is among those things.
That insane grow ? Exactly when they entered power
PMDB is barely 6 months in power and they already confirmed a DECREASE in minimum wage
Let him alone, you can easily guess what kind of news he is fed day and night to end up blaming PT for this price lol video game prices were always a joke in Brazil, partly for the taxes (that were untouched by PT btw) and mostly by the need of huuuge profits (and the stupid people they pay whatever the stuff costs).
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PhilipDoesMatter
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You can complain about a LOT of things they did in their time in power, but raising the money of the most poor is not one of those things. And minimum wage is among those things.
That insane grow ? Exactly when they entered power
PMDB is barely 6 months in power and they already confirmed a DECREASE in minimum wage
Oh please, no. Stop. Pure populism. Everyone is paying the bill now.
W. L. Saga
Neo Member
Seeing people thank a political party for giving them some crumbs is discouraging. This is some of the fucked up shit I normally see in BR political discussions, and a big reason why I normally never take part in them.
My favorite thing about this price is that an actual snes + the best flashcard costs less than that here
I rather have crumbs than no crumbs.
When someone gives me more than crumbs I will raise the bar
Edit:
Yes please more populism !
I rather have crumbs than no crumbs.
When someone gives me more than crumbs I will raise the bar
Edit:
Hmm
Yes please more populism !
Always had, pretty much. AFAIK these high import tariffs are a relic of the 70's military government and no government since has dared to touch that.
What is completely fucked up is that you can legally order it from overseas, tax and all, for almost half the price they are going to charge it in stores. The PS4 was the same deal. Retail was supposed to be cheaper than individual importation, not the other way around.
rodrigolfp
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Are you fucking kidding me? You're going to start "discussing" politics HERE TOO?
That's why our OT went to shit. Now I wish this thread is closed for going off-topic. ffs
You're my hero, Maouvin.
That's why our OT went to shit. Now I wish this thread is closed for going off-topic. ffs
You're my hero, Maouvin.
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PhilipDoesMatter
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Booker.DeWitt
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just shut down this thread, please. politics and videogames don't mix.
well... i was goind to comment something about how discussing politics in Brazil became just like as discussing soccer games with fanatic people from rival teams but instead i wanna give the non BR guys a panorama of how crazy are gaming costs in Brazil.
I'm going to use Nier Automata as an exemple of bad gaming price policy.
Nier: Automata is a game currently being printed in Brazil (we even got some issues with our version which didn't let the game download updates!
)
On Saraiva (let's say that's sorta Brazilian Amazon) the game costs R$249,00.(80 USD)
On Mercado livre ("grey" market retailers) the price is about R$130,00.(40 USD)
Both places sell the same game, printed on the same factory in zona franca de Manaus, but one is sold by a greedy and famous company and the other is sold by small (but surprisingly official) retailers
On PSN said game costs R$249,99(and R$ 149,00(47 USD) when on sale)
People like to buy games on Saraiva because it's a trustworthy retailer, so that allows for them to charge almost double the game's price so people can buy that "safety", they'll never drop prices, only do some "sales" which drop the game's price to R$200,00.
Thing is, there are official retailers that do sell the game for R$140,00, like wal-mart and magazine luiza so there is no reason at all to buy games at the fancy bookshop monopoly other than not knowing the official price is the lower one. When PSN does charge R$250 for the game, people think they are making a good deal by buying that thing at the same price as digital because they'l get a pretty box.
Gaming prices in Brazil are not a matter of taxes, but a matter of greed. Nintendo's been out of the country for years now, so the only way people can buy nintendo games is at gray market resellers. When that company that's selling the mini SNES here got the deal with Nintendo they are coming into the market as "the saviours that brought nintendo back to the country" and since some brazilian gamers are not used to researching prices(or even don't care because of exclusivity) they see that as an opportunity to charge an absurd price for things, that's what's happened to the ps4000.
Even with taxes, the mini SNES shouldn't cost more than 216USD(R$677,00) that means they get a R$300,00~400,00 profit for those sales(that, unfortunately, are going to happen). The mini SNES here is an luxury article, not a retro console as nintendo intended, this is a matter of greed, which is validated by bad consumer habits and the fact that Nintendo doesn't aknowledge Brazil as a gaming market like Sony and Microsoft do, so they won't bother to fix their pricing policy.
That doesn't mean Sony and Microsoft are the "good ones", as demonstrated before with the Nier: Automata example, there is no reason for some PSN games in Brazil be as expensive as they are other than that they are able to charge that much, but as far as console pricing goes, they've at least dropped the really absurd prices by now and, hopefully, as the mini SNES craze settles down, we might get some R$500,00 mini SNES(yeah still a shitty price but not everyone can go to Orlando and buy them)
TL;DR: Gaming in Brazil is tricky because the prices are based on how much the retailers want you to spend and most people won't bother searching for better deals so the expensive retailers can keep doing shady policies as far as some people get the money to sustain them. Let's say our "scapers" are the official sellers and if you want to buy something at a fair price you either have to go to risky places or f5 the hell out of Lojas Americanas and Magazine Luiza in order to get a good deal.
Nintendo hates us so much they've hired an official distributor to sell the mini SNES at R$1000,00 so that's probably gonna raise the gray market prices here and we can do nothing about that
I'm going to use Nier Automata as an exemple of bad gaming price policy.
Nier: Automata is a game currently being printed in Brazil (we even got some issues with our version which didn't let the game download updates!
)On Saraiva (let's say that's sorta Brazilian Amazon) the game costs R$249,00.(80 USD)
On Mercado livre ("grey" market retailers) the price is about R$130,00.(40 USD)
Both places sell the same game, printed on the same factory in zona franca de Manaus, but one is sold by a greedy and famous company and the other is sold by small (but surprisingly official) retailers
On PSN said game costs R$249,99(and R$ 149,00(47 USD) when on sale)
People like to buy games on Saraiva because it's a trustworthy retailer, so that allows for them to charge almost double the game's price so people can buy that "safety", they'll never drop prices, only do some "sales" which drop the game's price to R$200,00.
Thing is, there are official retailers that do sell the game for R$140,00, like wal-mart and magazine luiza so there is no reason at all to buy games at the fancy bookshop monopoly other than not knowing the official price is the lower one. When PSN does charge R$250 for the game, people think they are making a good deal by buying that thing at the same price as digital because they'l get a pretty box.
Gaming prices in Brazil are not a matter of taxes, but a matter of greed. Nintendo's been out of the country for years now, so the only way people can buy nintendo games is at gray market resellers. When that company that's selling the mini SNES here got the deal with Nintendo they are coming into the market as "the saviours that brought nintendo back to the country" and since some brazilian gamers are not used to researching prices(or even don't care because of exclusivity) they see that as an opportunity to charge an absurd price for things, that's what's happened to the ps4000.
Even with taxes, the mini SNES shouldn't cost more than 216USD(R$677,00) that means they get a R$300,00~400,00 profit for those sales(that, unfortunately, are going to happen). The mini SNES here is an luxury article, not a retro console as nintendo intended, this is a matter of greed, which is validated by bad consumer habits and the fact that Nintendo doesn't aknowledge Brazil as a gaming market like Sony and Microsoft do, so they won't bother to fix their pricing policy.
That doesn't mean Sony and Microsoft are the "good ones", as demonstrated before with the Nier: Automata example, there is no reason for some PSN games in Brazil be as expensive as they are other than that they are able to charge that much, but as far as console pricing goes, they've at least dropped the really absurd prices by now and, hopefully, as the mini SNES craze settles down, we might get some R$500,00 mini SNES(yeah still a shitty price but not everyone can go to Orlando and buy them)
TL;DR: Gaming in Brazil is tricky because the prices are based on how much the retailers want you to spend and most people won't bother searching for better deals so the expensive retailers can keep doing shady policies as far as some people get the money to sustain them. Let's say our "scapers" are the official sellers and if you want to buy something at a fair price you either have to go to risky places or f5 the hell out of Lojas Americanas and Magazine Luiza in order to get a good deal.
Nintendo hates us so much they've hired an official distributor to sell the mini SNES at R$1000,00 so that's probably gonna raise the gray market prices here and we can do nothing about that
If you want to use production and demand as your criteria then everything nintendo did recently was intended to be a luxury item then, including the switch
Oh yeah but there is a difference between selling a glorified emulator for 80 bucks and selling it as if it was made from Swarovski crystals
At least the SNES line is going to have some sort of second batch(or so they say)
I was going to compare the Brazil situation to the Japanese Switch thing: people wait in 6 hour lines so they won't have to buy a 40000 yen nintendo switch, here we may pay a fee to skip the line and buy it, but the only way of buying the mini SNES is by skipping the line =|
W. L. Saga
Neo Member
Nintendo is a business, they don't "hate" anyone.
It's simply not advantageous to operate in a country which tries to force you into opening a goddamn assembly line and pay a shitload of taxes so you can simply sell your product. They don't have any assembly lines outside Foxconn (that I'm aware of).
Sony and Microsoft were already pretty well stablished here as sellers of electronic goods way before any PlayStation or Xbox existed and had their manufacturing plants since, I don't know, the 80s? Plus, they have a vast catalog of products. Nintendo only sells videogames, so they got fucked over in many ways.
It's a hostile environment for a videogame-focused business like them. That's why we live off of 400 BRL Mega Drives and Master Systems, things that have absolutely no reason to cost more than 100 BRL since they're thirty year old consoles, for Christ's sake. Yet we applaud them, and here we are.
"A perfect gift for collectors" is on the nes mini main site.
It is made for people to want to play older nintendo games and then omfg virtual console
That's not how taxes work.
60% + 16~18% of ICMS is just the basic taxes, for natural persons and for shipments below a threshold (not sure about the max value, though)
It's much more complicated for legal persons (companies)... not really just 60% as you're saying.
Well you've got a point... Considering Microsoft keeps the Xbox brand even though they do not have profit from it and Sony already sells eletronics here too it's kinda difficult for nintendo to sell anything here, I think so much about the gaming market that I forget Sony and Microsoft do other stuffs too xD
I just wish Nintendo would do a better effort to bring their games through companies that charge fairer prices. We used to have some 3DS games selling here... I wonder what happened to the reseller that did business with them before...
i'd bet grey market broke them, though
It is a really sad situation... I feel they do have a market here but I'm not sure it would sustain itself so there is no hope at all =/ Still, that mini SNES price left a bad bad taste in my mouth, i'd rather not having it selling here because you either support that abusive pricing in order to tell Nintendo they've got a large demand here or you refuse to buy it at that price and risk the product not meeting their sales prediction, hence confirming that Brazil is a bad deal for them. I can't help but feel salty about all that
To be fair it isn't like Sony and Microsoft act very differently, at least in South America, hell with tech in general it's always like that.
W. L. Saga
Neo Member
Are you talking about Gaming do Brasil? It's a subsidiary of JVLat, no?
I don't think the grey market alone fucked them over, though. Marketing was scarce to nonexistent during Gaming do Brasil's tenure, and the prices were insane, like the ~700 USD Wii U in 2013.
They have a market here, just see how the Mario-themed Havaianas sandals sold lightning fast. It was hard to find them, at least for me.
Unfortunately, in Brazil all conditions are perfectly put in place so their life here will always be hard.
ldcommando
Banned
Long time no see, shizuka. I thought you had left us.
Of course. 1000 BRL is 1000 BRL arromado.
Khaos Kontrol
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You can probably get it cheaper buying from scalpers in the US.
I don't know the details... Looking it up now it seems Nintendo didn't want to do business with Gaming do Brasil because their sales were not getting any profit, so they left the Brazilian market. I'm guessing the mini SNES is their way of getting a second shot at selling Nintendo consoles/games here.
I'm pretty sure that if they managed to get their games produced in Brazil they could lower their game prices enough so they could get away with selling the console at an unreasonable price... The problem is that in order to do that they'd have to build a factory for cartridges that
I believe
I believe Gaming do Brasil did a poor job at selecting titles that would come and titles that wouldn't, but that was also a problem of the times they were active in the market. I could almost never find non pokemon/mario titles in stores, or when they'd come to Brazil their stock would be too small and the prices too high(for the time, now they'd be average prices). These days you can find a lot of niche titles for PS4 at famous retailers and that brings the market a healthy variety that you wouldn't get if everyone did what Gaming do Brasil used to do and only bring the super famous stuff... The market has changed, if Nintendo would ever come back to Brazil they'd have to consider that too...
In the end... I don't think Nintendo Games will have a reasonable price here any time soon, but even if the prices were a bit high I'd like them to at least exist in the market, that would be better than just ignoring us... The thing is, the R$999,99 mini SNES isn't really a good place to start if you want to (maybe) bring the Brazilian market back, especially when all the signs point to Nintendo not caring at all about the consumers in the region
especially when bringing the mini SNES here should be the thing saying they still know they have a market here...
If we're going to give heart attacks to our consumers, I'd rather have them selling a R$3000,00 switch, Sony started like that after all.
You can't compete with Tectoy by charging double their prices with 1/10 of the games =P
celsowmbr
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let's double the goal !
Tiops I don't think so.
HoodWinked
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brazil is sega land. even the master system sold disproportionately well there. the Brazilian sega Illuminati is stopping nintendo.
jk