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[MsKrisp]

He seemed to have no problem eating a free meal prepared in the same kitchen the fish was.

 

[gutterboy44]

Being a good guest trumps any dietary restrictions unless your have life threatening allergies and someone is not taking you seriously. Dude is a dick who also happens to be vegan. If every who acted like an asshole at a dinner table over food, had their dietary choice associated with their assholeness, omnivores or meat obsessed would be leading the asshole charts handily. People just love the vegan = snotty douchebag confirmation bias. A good vegan/vegetarian is like a good hair piece, you'll never notice.

As a vegetarian for six years and married to a near life long vegetarian, living in a hippie friendly town with militant vegans and friends who have been that way forever, never have I seen someone walk away from a table because the presence of meat. Moreover, cod is about as inoffensive as meat gets. It is just near odorless white flakey flesh, it is not like you brought out a whole hog pig roast!

I can't tell you how many times I have just quietly ate the one side dish that is vegetarian at dinners. I stop anyone trying to go out of their way to do something special and make sure they don't feel bad for me. Any effort to accommodate my needs are always graciously thanked. Anything less, I understand and it is my choice and I am a guest and can get more food after.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Oh grow up people. These are the kind of stone age attitudes we need to move past. We don't fucking whine about it. We eat what we get. But how fucking nice would you feel if you were invited somewhere, and the table is full of food, and then out on the far corner are a few bowls with the crap you can eat?

It will make you think that maybe we'll just decline next time. It's not like cooking a vegan meal for one day is gonna require a lot from, well, anyone. It's as simple as saying "let's try a vegan lasanga tonight instead of the one we usually make".

How does it make sense to instead make one ordinary lasagna, then maybe one extra lasagna, or maybe not an extra vegan lasagna. The vegans can just eat the lettuce, right? They like that.

How hard is it to understand that cooking a vegan meal is just that, a meal? We're having the vegans over, so let's try a vegan one! It's not like it's dangerous. Heøl, you might even like it.

Never ever go into an event expecting people to accommodate your dietary preferences. Allergies are one thing, but not 100% pure lifestyle choices.

If someone is kind of enough to know what you like and go out of their way to make something specifically for you, that's super cool, but just don't go in expecting everyone to bend over backwards trying to appease your unconventional dietary choices.

 

[KillLaCam]

But.... Almond milk!

Im not even a vegan but almond milk is better all around than cow milk. Even producing it is better for the environment. Not sure why they chose that

 

[TheCochese]

Yeah, no kidding.

My brother and his wife went on vacation with us a couple years ago.

She demanded that they pick all the food to fit their diets and refused to eat anything I picked out.(Note: I paid for the ENTIRE week at the beach house). I still picked some things for myself that they didn't want. At the register my sister-in-law asked the cashier to split the bill 50/50. I literally laughed in disbelief and said "No...do not split that." I couldn't believe she had the nerve...we didn't even discuss that possibility. She stayed pissed the whole week due to me not paying for half of their groceries she demanded we buy. Bought my own food for the whole week the next day.

They're were supposed to pay part of the cost for the rental too before leaving, didn't offer me a dime.

They're not invited anymore unless they pay up front. This year's vacation was great.

Damn. Good on you.

 

[Izuna]

Goddamn, one vegan steps out of line and it's open season against them all with some of you. What's with all the hostility and pent up aggression? I've seen way more tired "don't worry they'll tell you" and "mmm BACON" jokes than moral superiority from vegans.

I mean that's probably because the word Vegan makes me think of meat and makes me hungry. It's word-association.

 

[Bladelaw]

I would feel extremely grateful that someone went out of their way to accommodate my entirely optional and self-imposed dietary restrictions.

I feel like this when people accommodate my entirely mandatory dietary restrictions. Been to plenty of dinners and house parties where there was next to nothing (occasionally literally nothing) I could eat, so I'm usually pretty appreciative when the hosts keep me in mind when I bring my family over.

Guy in the OP was a dick if events happened as stated. Sure the parents could have looked around for a vegan meal to make the whole family, that would be super kind and going above and beyond reasonable expectations. Making sure they had something to eat at all is a fine gesture.

 

[Golden_Pigeon]

As someone who use to be vegetarian almost all my life, this is some classic "convert" overzealous stuff. It's just crazy and sectarian. Being vegan is about personal belief, you cannot disrespect people or wanting them to follow your morality.

I was heavily mocked and my parent were constantly insulted because i was a vegetarian kid in the 90's (and it was not understood at all in my country).Because of that, the last thing i will do is to mock or insult someone because of his diet. Everybody to his own.

 

[Zach]

Knee-jerk reaction: haha.

Thoughtful reaction: alright, we'll see you after the meal.

 

[13ruce]

The real question tho there are vegans and vegetarians that eat fish.... Why is that permitted in some cases? Fish can feel pain too and are mass caught in huge nets killed etc.

So i wonder why is that okay? I do have mad respect for vegans/vegetarians and never ridicule them but i just wondered about that. It's not super common but there are some that choose to include fish in their diet why is that?

 

[cyberheater]

As a vegetarian I can understand it but it's not the kind of thing I would do.

Each to their own. Eat what you want just be kind to each other.

 

[Contica]

I'm confused by this attitude. Would you not be grateful that someone though enough of you to make a separate meal to accommodate your needs? And vegan bro couldn't even bring himself to eat with the rest of the group? Give me a fucking break.

Being that eating vegan is a lifestyle choice, 100% of the responsibility falls on you. Any level of accommodation should be seen as a courtesy. I would not expect folks to accommodate my keto diet. If I attend a dinner party, I will politely explain that I'm on a restricted diet, and eat just the foods that I'm able to.

You make it sound like making a vegan dish is somehow a grand gesture. Look, I eat what I'm served, and I make no comments about it other than complimenting the chef. But I still think it's a let down. I still think being invited to a dinner is a let down when you're not having what everyone's having.

Is it important? No. Not even a little bit

It's late, so I'm out, but I just want to say this. It's just food. Cooking something everyone can eat, is not gonna kill ya. It might even be a rewarding culinary experience. Maybe I am weird, but when I invite people over, I make sure everyone can eat everything. That's just how I like to do it. Do I expect anyone else to do that? No. Would I like them to? Sure. Do I think I'm better than others? No.

 

[Kickz]

Seriously what douchebags, tell them to lose your number

 

[Pinkuss]

I mean that's probably because the word Vegan makes me think of meat and makes me hungry. It's word-association.

No, it's immature dickery, don't try and lie. You feel smug doing it like apparently we're told we do. As do a lot of meat eaters online who then try and say it's our fault...

 

[BlackGoku03]

And on the Internet (here in particular); it doesn't go both ways, it's bashing one and general having to defend ourselves on the other.

Logically percentage wise there are shitloads more meat eaters, you see a handful of Vegans being smug, imagine how that ramps up from our side?

I get it but... most special interest groups have to deal with this. I'm sorry if you get treated like shit for being vegan/vegetarian. I truly am.

People like this don't give you a good name. It's a really, really silly situation that could have been prevented.

 

[Costanza-san]

If you're a recovering alcoholic, do you get upset when people drink in front of you? I can maybe understand if its your friends and they constantly make fun of you for not drinking and calling you a wuss. But you can't get mad at dinner if someone is drinking wine.

if you don't like seeing people eating meat in front of you, ask them politely before hand not to do so. Don't fucking expect it like you're the Queen of England.

Its not like you were waiting in line at the ATM and someone brought out a fucking steamed fish and ate it in front of you. It's your god damn girlfriend's parents house. show some respect.



I dont hate the guy for being vegan. I hate the guy for being a disrepectful, selfish twat.

I'm not really big on telling others with stronger moral values than mine how to act when confronted with something that goes directly against those values. Could he have been more respectful about it? Sure. In fact, he might have been but we only know OP's side of the story.

I suppose I have a bit of a different perspective because I have vegan friends and I know how they feel. They're fine with me eating meat in front of them but I always ask anyway as a courtesy. I guess I have a large amount of respect for them.

Also, no animal died to make that wine.

 

[Calamari41]

Yeah, this is the first step on the path that ends with them sitting at home incredulously wondering to each other why their "asshole" family never invites them to dinners or holidays.

 

[99Luffy]

I would have locked the door behind them so they would feel like fools doorbelling again.

 

[Surfinn]

The real question tho there are vegans and vegetarians that eat fish.... Why is that permitted in some cases? Fish can feel pain too and are mass caught in huge nets killed etc.

So i wonder why is that okay? I do have mad respect for vegans/vegetarians and never ridicule them but i just wondered about that. It's not super common but there are some that choose to include fish in their diet why is that?

According to this thread fish are rocks with fins

 

[Pinkuss]

I get it but... most special interest groups have to deal with this. I'm sorry if you get treated like shit for being vegan/vegetarian. I truly am.

People like this don't give you a good name. It's a really, really silly situation that could have been prevented.

And people on here give meat eaters a bad name, and there are more of you.. (I do also take offense at specialist interest lol )

 

[mnannola]

If you guys went through the trouble of cooking a Vegan alternative, I think that is pretty disrespectful to leave the table. Sorry but part of interacting with people in their own home is trying to follow their customs.

Wouldn't you expect someone to eat meat when going over there for dinner? If so, and you can't be at the table with them, why not just decline the invitation, or say you will just come over after dinner?

Guy just seems like an asshole to me.

 

[Surfinn]

Im not even a vegan but almond milk is better all around than cow milk. Even producing it is better for the environment. Not sure why they chose that

Almonds =

But her emails

 

[Izuna]

No, it's immature dickery, don't try and lie. You feel smug doing it like apparently we're told we do. As do a lot of meat eaters online who then try and say it's our fault...

No seriously, the topic of veganism for omnivores, whether it is in the presence of Vegans or not becomes a discussion of how tasty meat is.

It's like that Splatoon thing with Cake and Ice Cream. It made me think about how incredible Gelato is and all the amazing flavours they offer this time of year.

 

[Pinkuss]

The real question tho there are vegans and vegetarians that eat fish.... Why is that permitted in some cases? Fish can feel pain too and are mass caught in huge nets killed etc.

So i wonder why is that okay? I do have mad respect for vegans/vegetarians and never ridicule them but i just wondered about that. It's not super common but there are some that choose to include fish in their diet why is that?

Fish aren't plants so they're definitionally not Veggie/Vegan. People who eat fish and not erm land meat? Are Pescatarians which is different.

 

[EmiPrime]

The real question tho there are vegans and vegetarians that eat fish.... Why is that permitted in some cases? Fish can feel pain too and are mass caught in huge nets killed etc.

So i wonder why is that okay? I do have mad respect for vegans/vegetarians and never ridicule them but i just wondered about that. It's not super common but there are some that choose to include fish in their diet why is that?

People who eat fish can't be vegetarian or vegan. It's never "permitted".

 

[SDCowboy]

I would have laughed and said, ok have fun out there!

 

[Hypron]

No it's not. A plant-based diet can actually have a larger carbon footprint depending on the plants in question, almonds being one of them. Almonds are one of the most environmentally wasteful foodstuffs you can grow of any kind, plant or animal.

You really need to go way out of your way to have a larger carbon footprint than someone who eats meat. You're talking in nonsense hypotheticals.

 

[Man Called Aerodynamics]

I wouldn't react at all. Sound like the guy is a diva, and is being dramatic in order to get attention.

This. What he did was rude, but there's no upside for you in reacting to it. Just try to ignore him.

 

[Kickz]

They're married? Is this the first time he has met/eaten with you guys? If not, was he ok before? Weird

Probably picked it up that week after watching a youtube plant cleanse diet vid or something

 

[Deleted member 1235]

I would lock the door and tuck in to my dead fish

 

[NastyBook]

How would you react to this?

 

[Var]

Vegans, the first consumers of almond milk playing the climate change card. That's cute.

This is just absurd. People have been drinking almond milk since the middle ages.

 

[Johnny Cage In The Shower]

After dinner if he tried to join you in the living room for socializing and conversation. Just tell him "sorry, I'm an 'anti-Divean' meaning, I can't be around diva, shit heads." Then proceed to walk outside with your parents.

 

[BlackGoku03]

And people on here give meat eaters a bad name, and there are more of you.. (I do also take offense at specialist interest lol )

lol I honestly don't know what else to call it.

But you bring something up that's good... when people pick a "side", they can be a real dick to anyone that's not on their team.

 

[cyberheater]

The real question tho there are vegans and vegetarians that eat fish.... Why is that permitted in some cases? Fish can feel pain too and are mass caught in huge nets killed etc.

No. They are not vegetarians.

 

[meppi]

Been vegetarian for a while and went full vegan recently.

Sounds like he is pissed he can't force his choice upon others and is trying to make a statement by sulking in a corner.
You'll find extremists in just about philosophy so I'd just shrug it off to be honest for your sisters sake, but I can certainly see why you'd be pissed.

Vegans, the first consumers of almond milk playing the climate change card. That's cute.

Now that's just dumb.

 

[Pinkuss]

This is just absurd. People have been drinking almond milk since the middle ages.

Just had a Google, almond looks high but still way off actual animal milk for water use etc?

 

[Ralemont]

You make it sound like making a vegan dish is somehow a grand gesture. Look, I eat what I'm served, and I make no comments about it other than complimenting the chef. But I still think it's a let down. I still think being invited to a dinner is a let down when you're not having what everyone's having.

Is it important? No. Not even a little bit

It's late, so I'm out, but I just want to say this. It's just food. Cooking something everyone can eat, is not gonna kill ya. It might even be a rewarding culinary experience. Maybe I am weird, but when I invite people over, I make sure everyone can eat everything. That's just how I like to do it. Do I expect anyone else to do that? No. Would I like them to? Sure. Do I think I'm better than others? No.

Ok. I think you presented it in a way originally such that the undertone was one of resentment. If it's just a general wish that sometimes someone cooks a big vegan meal every once in awhile but it's totally cool if they don't, then fair enough. You did call me and someone else a caveman for saying it's not "disrespectful" to make two separate dishes, one non-vegan and one vegan.

I will say that I've found quite a few vegetarian meals for this purpose when I have vegetarian friends over that I think are delicious (artichoke stuff shells are the bomb) but I have a much harder time finding vegan meals I enjoy.

 

[DirtyManos]

Maybe if you guys just ate chicken parmesan for the rest of the week, everyone would be cool with it. That's vegan, right?

 

[off duty ninja]

The real question tho there are vegans and vegetarians that eat fish.... Why is that permitted in some cases? Fish can feel pain too and are mass caught in huge nets killed etc.

So i wonder why is that okay? I do have mad respect for vegans/vegetarians and never ridicule them but i just wondered about that. It's not super common but there are some that choose to include fish in their diet why is that?

That's just another dietary choice. "Pescatarian" is what it's called. Basically vegetarian with fish included.

 

[Izuna]

XDXD

I miss when that show was good.

 

[norm9]

No it's not. A plant-based diet can actually have a larger carbon footprint depending on the plants in question, almonds being one of them. Almonds are one of the most environmentally wasteful foodstuffs you can grow of any kind, plant or animal.

Here's more info on almonds-

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/08/almonds-demon-nuts/379244/

I knew about extreme water usage and almond trees being THE cash crop in Cali farmlands now, but I didn't know about the need for so many bees.

California's almond industry is also completely reliant on honeybees to pollinate its almond trees. The industry requires 1.4 million bee colonies, according to the USDA, most of which are brought to the state from across the country. Because of colony collapse disorder, honeybees are a commodity. The almond farmers' requirements represent approximately 60 percent of the country's managed colonies. This year many of the mercenary pollinating bees brought to California died due to exposure to pesticides.

 

[Pinkuss]

lol I honestly don't know what else to call it.

But you bring something up that's good... when people pick a "side", they can be a real dick to anyone that's not on their team.

I think the latter point isn't really cool. We can work for a better good in life or we can be dicks about things? Team mentality as far as I'm concerned is poison.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Knee-jerk reaction: haha.

Thoughtful reaction: alright, stay outside you miserable, ungrateful cunts. Oh you can't eat near a dead fish, but you'll fucking eat the food that was prepared next to one.

That's better.

 

[norinrad]

Even though you did all you could to accommodate them, he decided to be a huge dick? I think you are going to have to tolerate his bullshit for the sake of your sister. Though I'd probably never invite him again or if I did, my advice would be eat at home before coming. That should send some signals to them about his behavior.

 

[Var]

Just had a Google, almond looks high but still way off actual animal milk for water use etc?

Correct.

 

[Trojita]

Wouldn't an increase in plant production, especially in nut or bean production which provides protein, offset some of the supposed prevention of green house gas emissions by going to an all plant diet? You have to feed 6 billion people. People need protein. Then you add on the fact that deforested area farming increases green house gas emissions.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

People think I'm being morally superior from what I've said so far. And all I'm rrally saying is that I'd very much like for me and my friends/family to enjoy a meal (the same) meal, together.

But as soon as people learn you're vegan, they think you're angry and out to get their bacon. I'm not, I was just sharing my -thoughts- around being at dinners, and people explode like I expect the entire world to follow my every wish.

Which is probably partly my fault. I get enthusiastic about things I care about, and then I word myself quickly, and bam, someone thinks I'm raging.

And don't get me started on the jokes. They're only funny so many times. I heard "meat is murder, tasty murder" for the first time over 20 years ago. I still get told that one like I'm supposed to hear it for the first time.

I dated three gluten free women in the span of 6 months, and not one of them demanded that we go to restaurants that exclusively cater to their obligate dietary restrictions.

Part of being a social human is accepting that the world does not revolve around you. I'm currently in Turkey, I'm not going to go to every shop I see and admonish them for not serving bacon. It would be nice, yes, if every time you were invited to a group meal everyone enjoyed the same thing, but a lot of people don't like veggie lasagna, the same way a lot of people don't like gluten free pizza.

The OP's bro in law is completely out of line. He could have politely declined the dinner invitation or offered to cook himself if he felt that strongly.

 

[Izuna]

That's just another dietary choice. "Pescatarian" is what it's called. Basically vegetarian with fish included.

But people call it Vegetarian. It's confusing because menus will list fish as vegetarian sometimes.

--

Is it vegan to eat a Venus Fly Trap?

 

[GrooveCommand]

No it's not. A plant-based diet can actually have a larger carbon footprint depending on the plants in question, almonds being one of them. Almonds are one of the most environmentally wasteful foodstuffs you can grow of any kind, plant or animal.

You don't even get to a vegan foodstuff until the 9th item on the list..