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Sonic Forces : Story Trailer
- Thread starter Atrarock
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Basically this.
ok so I agree with most of your post. And I myself am quite tired of " get rid of all the edgyshit" mentality of people who just want to shit on sonic, and who don't have any constructive criticism.
However, this game isn't like a good looking game that also looks edgy, one of the games largest detractors... is me. And this shit should be right the fuck up my alley, except for the lack of playable characters. And there are a lot of people like me i've seen on various sites who has, since teaser one, have been gradually more and more disappointed at what has been shown.
This isn't a good game getting shat on, or rather a good looking one. This shit looks like an organized rushed mess, creatively bankrupt too nothing new or interesting in premise besides the Character creator and that should honestly be in its own game, not shoved into one with 3 other game play styles. Both thematically and gameply wise it looks like a hot ass mess.
Its really starting to look like they couldn't come up with a game idea and had a bunch of failed ones, combined those with their successful idea , generations. And and had to do it fast, because I imagine someone told them they need to be putting out a sonic game, and because they lacked confidence in their gameplay they threw a bunch of thematically clashing bullshit from multiple sections of the franchise in it to try and appeal to a bunch of different people who don't want to be playing the same video game. To hide fact that the game, at least from what i've heard in previews and what i've seen is mediocre at best and kinda shitty and jank at worst.
Like again, I get you. People ... all i'm gonna say is I feel like maybe at certain points of the franchise people who weren't invested in sonic may have had their opinions' valued waay to highly. I agree with you , but this is a situation where a lot of this games biggest detractors... are sonic fans who should be into into this. But got this seemingly unorganized mess of a game like some weird monkey's paw wish.
Team Andromeda
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Having attitude doesn't mean being edgy. Sonic has never been this edgy, he was cool, that's it.
Having a Blue Spiked Hedgehog with bright red trainers that can run faster than the speed of sound, snowboard downs mountains skywalk on planes wasn't EDGEY. Never mind being part of a rock music band having a human Madonna look alike girlfriend or having an Echidna with Predator style dreadlocks and where we have SONIC say
I really doubt people slagging off SONIC now were ever fans of SEGA or the Sonic series in the 1st place
No, that's not edgy. Thats cool.
For comparison, Sonic was cool and had attitude. Shadow was edgy. It's not only how the character is designed but also how is portrayed.
Scrapped content, not relevant.
Still far away from Predator, just because has similar hair.I don't think anyone could say here Knuckles looks edgy
That's a song from Adventure, were some would say the edginess started (IMO I would only say it's the case for 2, I like SA1 tone) and its FAAAAAR AWAY from Infinite lyrics. Just compare both.
I don't know why I would lie about being a Sonic fan, especially since it gets some bad rep here. Being a fan doesn't mean that I like everything about it.
Sonic Adventure 2 was sufficiently edgy, I mean what's with all the Gerald Robotnik plot.
BUT, that wasn't a good thing. It was fairly hilarious even back then. The moment Eggman utters words "THE GOD OF DESTRUCTION" and does that without a laugh track is the moment you know that Sega is kind of lost on how to make Sonic relevant, and it just got worse from there, but for a moment it seemed like between Colors, Generations and Boom (the cartoon at least) they've figured it out - okay just make it genuinely funny and lighthearted, you can't take this 2cool4school hedgehog and a spherical robots guy seriously. And then on a dime they make Infinite.
Honestly I just want to go fast.
BUT, that wasn't a good thing. It was fairly hilarious even back then. The moment Eggman utters words "THE GOD OF DESTRUCTION" and does that without a laugh track is the moment you know that Sega is kind of lost on how to make Sonic relevant, and it just got worse from there, but for a moment it seemed like between Colors, Generations and Boom (the cartoon at least) they've figured it out - okay just make it genuinely funny and lighthearted, you can't take this 2cool4school hedgehog and a spherical robots guy seriously. And then on a dime they make Infinite.
Honestly I just want to go fast.
You're smarter than this.
Sorry you have to learn about this in 2017, but American Sonic has always been shit.
As an European who got the same Sonic as Japan, I could never understand the changes Americans did to Sonic. The archie comics and the tv shows that came out in the early 90s HD nothing to do with Sonic at all, so don't take that as an example of "how Sonic has always been"
Sonic in Japan was this cute but impatient character, not the douchebag it is today. Take a look at Sonic Mania's happy Sonic again and you'll understand how the character has evolved for the worse.
Team Andromeda
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Lol so one defines Edgy by giving a cute character guns?
Because people have fun, like slagging off COD. I mean Sonic gets knocked for having Humans in his game, characters talking or taking place on Earth. Yet its ok for Mario to have dungarees and a Mustache that die out in the 70's walking talking Mushrooms and Turtles and Peach whos so stupid, she's gets kidnapped every time she sets foot outside.
By all means, slag off Sonic for utter rubbish like Shadow (even if it was just a spin off) Sonic 06, Blackknight and maybe to a point Unleased (but there people here love Kack 2) But the last few Sonic games haven't been too bad truth be told, but it's not Cool or edgy to say that now.
Paul_Str337
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I mean the story in a Sonic game is whatever but I'm getting major SA2 vibes from this trailer. Mania as scratched the 90's part of my nostalgia, I'll take Forces going for an early 00's nostalgia trip. Would love something like this in English though.
Team Andromeda
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If there's one thing you can rely on the Americas for, is to bastardized Japanese art and consoles designs
He didn't rip a peice of a helecopter and snowboard down san fran, and there are no black and red hedgehogs. So I can't really get with that.
Team Andromeda
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No, it's the bastardized America version of Sonic
Please it's going for an edgy cool look. I rather liked it too
More like it was always there, and really started to grow with Sonic CD (where he was even meant to have full speech but was later cut to just one sample) and move on with Sonic 3 and S&K and even Sonic extreme
I've been defending, Colors, Generations and even Unleashed here since always.
I also argue how stupid is to think humans was something imposible prior to SA when he already had Starlight or Chemical Plant/Casino city like backgrounds in the classic games. As I said before I love how the humans looked in Unleashed (tbh I rather have the SA1 approach to sticking more closer to original classic areas than having San Francisco and the President around).
So no, I'm not doing this for fun, trust me. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Team Andromeda
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No he and Tails just had a plane in Sonic II we also had the Edgy Super Sonic show up, take it you never played Sonic III where Sonic 1st used his snowboard ... He was so RAD back then
Like I say, I bet most people who slag off Sonic now were never fans of SONIC, much less SEGA back in the day
Team Andromeda
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So whats your issues since Forces is more of the same?
It's not. Colors and Gens didn't had the Character creator, something that looks horrible to me, both gameplay wise and art wise.
It also doesn't look anything at all. Colors had a beautiful art style with a lighthearted story. This looks drab and it's thematically a mess.
I did
I like the sequence of events in sonic adventure 2 more , Like the whole first level of sonic adventure 2 is my favorite version of sonic snowboarding
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This looks like a LOTR battle with -bored- Sonic characters
No.
No no no no.
No fucking way.
I love Sonic. I loved Generations, Colors (at 60 fps in PC) and even enjoyed Lost World. Sonic Mania is one of the most fun games this year. But Sonic Forces looks awful in every possible way.
I want to be into a colorful and visually appealing pinball being a blue ball that can defy physics running down walls without losing the smile, because Sonic is having fun while doing it.
Sonic Forces shows depressing scenarios with depressed characters who prefer to complain about their life than having fun playing. Scenarios full of elements that limit the flow and require of multitude of actions so complex that end up being semi automatic. That's not fun.
What I mean, is....
I want to be in this world
not in this one
Psycho Echidna
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my exact concern ...
I mean that world is in Forces, just with a lack of that color palette for Modern and Custom character's levels
The general tone matters and it's different even looking at the logos
I can give you that. But we don't know the full extent of the story yet to fully determine if it's too edgy or not.
Ah, so we're going back to the old "Sonic was never good" argument.
Having attitude doesn't mean being edgy. Sonic has never been this edgy, he was cool, that's it. You can see the difference with the artworks from Classic Sonic compared to the original Japanese ones. And Satam and Archie isn't even "canon" products so it doesn't matter (I found both horrible btw, even as a kid).
I like Sonic since I was 6 years old in 1991, and Forces is not the same as what it was back then. I agree for some it just hate bandwagon but not everyone. Some of us were happy with the direction the franchise took starting Colors (and maybe kind of Unleashed too). Hell, we went from awesome looking humans from Unleashed to devianart rejects...
You can't sit here and dismiss the other media because it's not canon. All of those media exists to extent personalities of the characters. The "coolest" Sonic has ever been realistically was that "Edgy" era. Even if you look outside of the SatAM and the Archie Comics, the "cool" Sonic died with the classic trilogy + Knuckles as Sonic 3D Blast Sonic didn't have any personality whatsoever and neither did Sonic R sonic. Sonic Adventure Sonic was the first to try to give some real personality, and to fuel the classic "cool" narrative. Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Colors and Sonic Lost World Sonic isn't "cool". He's a literal Saturday Morning Cartoon character. He's sarcastic, makes a ton of lame jokes and doesn't act in a interesting manner at all. Which Sonic fans complained about it constantly as cutscenes just became such bore fests filled with terrible jokes, bad pacing and uninteresting set pieces. No matter how dated, "edgy" Sonic Adventure 2 is, the cutscenes and plot it is at least entertaining in some aspect.
Honestly, from the little that I've seen, Sonic Forces doesn't look as edgy as Sonic Adventure 2. It's not looking like embarrassing levels of cringe like Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic 06. But we'll see when the game actually comes out. It seems to be on par with standard 3D Sonic affair sans the super "Saturday Cartoon Comedy Hour" crap we got with Sonic Colors or Sonic Lost World.
Half of the development of Sonic 2 and 3 & Knuckles was by the American Sega Team. And Sonic Adventure 2 was developed by the America Sonic Team, so that's total bullshit. Sonic has deep American roots as he does Japanese Roots. Regardless, you can't sit here and deny that outside media didn't influence Sonic's public image.
And by the way, THIS was the UK exclusive Sonic comic design, not very cutesy to me:
Enter The 36 Chambers
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It's easier if I just pretend Sonic doesn't exist outside of the OG trilogy and Mania.
Seriously what the hell is this? Incredible how incredible Oddysey looks and then this... Wtf drugs are they on over at Sonic Team
Seriously what the hell is this? Incredible how incredible Oddysey looks and then this... Wtf drugs are they on over at Sonic Team
The characters and story ideas thrown around in the trailer look like there already 15 years overcooked, its been a long time since I've seen anything this grim dark. This screams a creative team who haven't lived as cognisant happy adults since 2003.
Do Sonic Team even get out enough? Give these guys a holiday for god sake.
Japanese developed Sonic seem awash with the same hyperbolic bullshit thats plaguing a lot of modern anime design trends. For all its gameplay faults Sonic Lost World look liked a great stylistic direction for the series.
I refuse to have a debate about the nuances and shades of how far 'grimdark' each post Sonic Adventure title is is in an effort to redeem some part of this pandering shambles, 'its not as ow the edgehog as Shadow! Here's some incredibly small artistic detail that says so!'. Sod off Sonic Team.
Do Sonic Team even get out enough? Give these guys a holiday for god sake.
Japanese developed Sonic seem awash with the same hyperbolic bullshit thats plaguing a lot of modern anime design trends. For all its gameplay faults Sonic Lost World look liked a great stylistic direction for the series.
I refuse to have a debate about the nuances and shades of how far 'grimdark' each post Sonic Adventure title is is in an effort to redeem some part of this pandering shambles, 'its not as ow the edgehog as Shadow! Here's some incredibly small artistic detail that says so!'. Sod off Sonic Team.
Linkstrikesback
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Which is how we know you're not interested in actually talking about it, because you already said that anyone who disagrees with you "isn't a fan of sonic ever lol", as if that's a defense or more makes any difference to the point being made whatsoever.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
I still can't believe they are trying to tell a serious Sonic story again
Team Andromeda
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Why the swearing? How do you know the full game won't have colour levels too, there again people on here moaning that SEGA use Greenhill zone too much and it's not like the classic Sonic were colourful and used Greenhill zone like graphics all through the series.
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Team Andromeda
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Laugh all you want, some here didn't know that Sonic III had a snowboard, but never mind
BodiesWithoutOrgans
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Now that Rouge is in where is Cream & Blaze
Why not? is the same as dismissing the old Star Wars EU (that also was more edgier than the movies). Extended universes done by other artist that doesn't follow the original source shouldn't affect the mainline series (I disliked Spinball art because of that).
Also you're focusing on Sonic has a character, I never had a problem with Sonic himself( 06 excluded), is everything else that surrounds him: Shadow, the President, San Francisco, chained old Eggy with his doom and gloom speech, Doom-like Aliens, friggin Mephiles.. those kind of things were the ones that made the games looks more edgy and were removed from games like Colors or Gens.
I don't know if Forces will end up being more or less edgier than SA2, they didn't really show much, but being less edgy than SA2 is not a good bar to aim, SA2 is what it started it all IMO
Also I know people like that, not denying that, this game seems aimed at the fanbase that buys everything Sonic and actually likes their serious plots (there's people that liked 06 plot). It's just not my thing at all, and what I consider Sonic should go.
Because I was a SEGA fan. I had a master system and a genesis. I played Sonic for hundreds of hours. I prefer Sonic over Mario for so many years. But if you look the last Mario Odyssey trailer, it shows:
gameplay mechanics
fun
more gameplay mechanics
more fun
and so on
while the last Sonic Forces trailers shows:
edgy characters
busy stage where you can't see what's going on
more edgy characters with some stupid dialog
explosions
a lot of edgy characters looking at something in the distance
and so on.
Everlya_Apocryha
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My avatar sums it up..
My avatar sums it up..
Team Andromeda
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Sonic II, III and S&K were done by SEGA Japan Staff at STI the Japanese staff even worked on a separate floor. SEGA STI had little do with the game at all, much less work with the Japanese staff. Alien Front Online is more a game where SEGA Japan staff and STI worked as one on a game at STI
Sonic was always meant to be cool and edgy and tbh I much rather the original Sonic Design
Give a bad feeling the game will be very short.
Team Andromeda
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Well since you grown up stop acting like a child and swearing on a forum. I'm a SEGA fan too, but one who never really thought the 2D Sonic games were that good to the likes of Quakshot on the MD, never mind Mario IV on the Snes.
I look at Mario Odysess and to me its Sonic Adv and looks to be a step backward from Galaxy, but we'll have to see how it plays but I also see cartoon and simple designs which are horrible in Sonic, but ok with Mario never mind walking and talking mushrooms
So many here are ready to hate on a game without ever playing it, like we saw we DOOM after the demo, review code not going up until after the game shipped.
For what it's worth to forget Sonic. Hiryu was the coolest and most edgy character in 16-bit gaming and Strider a far better game than Sonic too, most prob my fav Mega Drive game of all time. But Sonic doesn't deserve half the hate that its gets, much like with the COD series. It's like people forget what a truly broken horrible platform or FPS games are like, games like Sonic 06 or Trespasser
That was decent. It did a good job portraying good vs evil, especially for a Sonic story. Very similar to he climax battles found in Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings.
I'm definitely intrigued more closer to release. Sega need to stop showing the same stages though, give fans some more to believe that their concerns are true/false.
I'm definitely intrigued more closer to release. Sega need to stop showing the same stages though, give fans some more to believe that their concerns are true/false.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
The Sonic 06 sequel everyone has been waiting for, but in Generations form!
Comparing the cutscenes to stuff like Unleashed is head turning. It also feels like they have only made 3 levels and are hoping nobody really notices?
Comparing the cutscenes to stuff like Unleashed is head turning. It also feels like they have only made 3 levels and are hoping nobody really notices?
Team Andromeda
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The Japanese staff did they own thing and 99% of the game. They all worked in one small group and worked insane hours. Naka-san doesn't like anything so that isnt much new/
Dead End Irony
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I actually feel sad every time I see something Sonic Forces related. I honestly think this is the least hyped I've ever been for a mainline Sonic game. This trailer didn't help at all. Hard to describe, but it just seems like this game is soulless, lol.