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Sonic Generations |OT| What Sonic can learn from Sonic
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Box of Bunnies
Banned
Keepin' them new stages for the Wii U port. Gotta give people a reason to double dip.
Aaron Strife
Banned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW5AkBjxbt4
It's been done.
Not even the same thing really. Bravo.
Clearly, the Wii U version will have Sonic CD in place of Sonic 1, and Stardust Speedway will become its own level, to make up for an absent Wii Sonic CD.Box of Bunnies said:
But seriously, more levels pl0x. Unless it's for like the 3DS version or some shit.
ColtraineGF
Member
Man, I can't wait to see what sort of mods are thought up, once the tools get more developed.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
I don't know why they're porting Mario 64 stages into the game, but god damn I approve.
And hold up, are they remaking the stage with Generations assets, or is that Geometry ported from Galaxy 1/2? I haven't completed either so I don't know if they had a remake of the Mario64 stage.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
I don't know why they're porting Mario 64 stages into the game, but god damn I approve.
When an ISO of Mario Kart Double Dash was first dumped years ago, people discovered that somebody on Nintendo's development team accidentally left some Windows-based SDK tools packaged in with the game, including a BRM Viewer or whatever (I don't remember if the format is actually BRM, I just know it starts with a B and is not BSP).
BRM is basically Nintendo's internal modeling format that it uses for everything in their games, including both character models and levels themselves. Better yet, the BRM Viewer could be used with 3D Geometry Capture software in Windows to essentially rip the models from these games.
Smash Bros. Melee, Super Mario Sunshine, Mario Kart Double Dash, Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2 all use BRM for the modelling format, making it very easy to rip level geometry with very little work. It's what lead to that BlitzSonic video I posted years and years ago, where I run through some Super Mario Sunshine levels and the opening area from Galaxy 1. The guy developing that engine used the BRM Viewer to convert the level geometry to work in Blitz3D because he needed environments to test Sonic's movement.
Same deal here. The Super Mario 64 levels Dario is converting are from Galaxy 2, from the "Throwback Galaxy" world.
Edit: Though it does beg the question why he's not trying Sonic Colors levels, given the model format for that was cracked, too.
They're doing this just to learn more about the formats use by the game, they just happened to choose that Mario stage for random reasons. Other than importing stages from Sonic Unleashed, apparently one of their goals is to make a level editor.
Got this the other day.....wtf am I doing....
seriously game is confusing as hell, which is a shame as it has some of the best visuals for a kids game Ive seen in years...I think a huge problem is the momentum in the game...in both the classic and new levels you go from like a hundred mph to 0 in a split second...and its so jarring and constant it gets frustrating...really wish there were slow down and speed up section instead of the sudden stop or sudden speed...but seriously the visuals in this game are so damn great its a real shame the gameplay just isnt there at all both for the classic and new sonic.
in other news I think the new sonic stage have some serious potential they just need to figure out a way to give more control to the player
seriously game is confusing as hell, which is a shame as it has some of the best visuals for a kids game Ive seen in years...I think a huge problem is the momentum in the game...in both the classic and new levels you go from like a hundred mph to 0 in a split second...and its so jarring and constant it gets frustrating...really wish there were slow down and speed up section instead of the sudden stop or sudden speed...but seriously the visuals in this game are so damn great its a real shame the gameplay just isnt there at all both for the classic and new sonic.
in other news I think the new sonic stage have some serious potential they just need to figure out a way to give more control to the player
i recommend sonic 06
None, which is ridiculous given how well the concept of the game lends itself to dlc fans would empty their wallets for.
The Mana Legend
Banned
Raise your hand if you were stupid and got conned into thinking the Casino Night DLC was an actual level and therefore you spent $1.50 on it without reading the description?
*Raises hand*
*Raises hand*
PeakPointMatrix
Member
Come on Ruby Eclipse, I know you're reading this thread. Where's our DLC!?
You guys need to let the DLC thing go, it's clearly never coming. I'm willing to bet the game wasn't even made to support new levels as DLC in the first place.
Besides it's not like there is a precedent for this, both 2006 and Unleashed's DLC consisted of hard mode and retooled versions of existing levels, not completely new levels. With the amount of asset creation and work that goes into creating modern Sonic levels versus how long they actually are they would have to way overcharge to make any money on new level DLC or they'd lose money on it.
Besides it's not like there is a precedent for this, both 2006 and Unleashed's DLC consisted of hard mode and retooled versions of existing levels, not completely new levels. With the amount of asset creation and work that goes into creating modern Sonic levels versus how long they actually are they would have to way overcharge to make any money on new level DLC or they'd lose money on it.
With this and the Unleashed level importing, 2012 looks like a very promising year for Sonic Generations mods.
...I never thought I would see those words placed together in a sentence.
You sadistic fool!
For those who have the PC version of Generations, someone mentioned a possible fix for the random stuttering in the Steam forums, so I tried it and it seems to have worked.
If anyone here has this issue where the game randomly stutters (sometimes the controls don't respond properly when this happens), disabling vsync in the game options and using the tool d3doverrider to force vsync (and if you want, triple buffering as well) seems to fix this.
http://www.mediafire.com/?w96mbhvve2hy5xa
How to use it:
- Open the tool (it starts minimized, click the green X icon in the taskbar).
- Click the + symbol in the lower left corner.
- Add SonicGenerations.exe to the list (steam\steamapps\common\sonic generations\SonicGenerations.exe).
- Select SonicGenerations.exe in the list.
- Set the detection level to medium.
- Set vsync to on, and, if you want, triple buffering as well (if I'm not mistaken, triple buffering reduces input lag, but the d3doverrider vsync seems to be enough to stop the random stuttering).
- Click the arrow pointing down in the top right corner to hide the tool in the taskbar.
Don't forget to turn vsync off in the game configuration tool. Also, the tool needs to be running in the background for the forced vsync and triple buffering to work.
If anyone here has this issue where the game randomly stutters (sometimes the controls don't respond properly when this happens), disabling vsync in the game options and using the tool d3doverrider to force vsync (and if you want, triple buffering as well) seems to fix this.
http://www.mediafire.com/?w96mbhvve2hy5xa
How to use it:
- Open the tool (it starts minimized, click the green X icon in the taskbar).
- Click the + symbol in the lower left corner.
- Add SonicGenerations.exe to the list (steam\steamapps\common\sonic generations\SonicGenerations.exe).
- Select SonicGenerations.exe in the list.
- Set the detection level to medium.
- Set vsync to on, and, if you want, triple buffering as well (if I'm not mistaken, triple buffering reduces input lag, but the d3doverrider vsync seems to be enough to stop the random stuttering).
- Click the arrow pointing down in the top right corner to hide the tool in the taskbar.
Don't forget to turn vsync off in the game configuration tool. Also, the tool needs to be running in the background for the forced vsync and triple buffering to work.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
Speaking of the PC version of Generations, update regarding porting Sonic Unleashed levels: thanks to his efforts in porting Super Mario Galaxy levels in, Dario has figured out the problem with Sonic Unleashed levels not casting dynamic shadows and has fixed it!
http://i.imgur.com/nWwZP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HEkvM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vRa12.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gjo6E.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GBw9B.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Z0UHU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sH14i.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aSVY0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0DkjN.jpg
And video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThVOm8hIqCo
Quoth:
As should be obvious by the video this still has a ways to go until things are perfect, and I'd assume Dario isn't going to release anything until it's absolutely 100% ready.
http://i.imgur.com/DvWvJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nWwZP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HEkvM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vRa12.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gjo6E.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GBw9B.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Z0UHU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sH14i.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aSVY0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0DkjN.jpg
And video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThVOm8hIqCo
Quoth:
As should be obvious by the video this still has a ways to go until things are perfect, and I'd assume Dario isn't going to release anything until it's absolutely 100% ready.
This is exactly why I dream of a PC release of every game ever. By time the mod community has had their fill, you'll have 4x the game you originally had. Can't wait till he gets the Unleashed pack out. It's looking great.
R_thanatos
Member
Impressive
i really loved that level ( except the walk on water part ) Did he just replace the rocket with a bumper ?
BlazeHedgehog
Member
For now, but it looks like he's trying to set it up to use the rocket from Speed Highway.
It's funny seeing Sonic blaze through these levels even faster than before. And it's not the use of skills doing it either, because he's got Super Sonic equipped.
If he got that to work could that also initiate the skydiving sequence? Could he somehow do that without using the rocket?
I thought that would make sense.
If he got that to work could that also initiate the skydiving sequence? Could he somehow do that without using the rocket?
BlazeHedgehog
Member
Sky diving is probably a volume trigger. Meaning a giant invisible cube and if Sonic is inside the cube, he skydives.
Is it possible to mod in music? I like this Chemical Plant Zone mix and made a video to see how it fits. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLB5tRTDL00&feature=youtu.be
BlazeHedgehog
Member
I think music modding is possible, but as far as I'm aware there aren't any guides or anything. It might be difficult, because there was a guy on Retro who was volunteering to mod music if you sent him an MP3, but that seems cumbersome in and of itself.
Azure Dream
Member
It probably involves converting it to an ADX, and setting the loop points if you want smooth transitions. I think it's the same ADX standard they've been using for forever, so converting shouldn't be an issue, but I don't know about setting the loops. (I'm not 100% sure, since I haven't installed Generations on this PC, but I remember that the Xbox demo used ADXs.)
I'll look into it. I want to edit that song like I did in that video and just have it start and end so it loops seamlessly. The modern version in the game's too slow for my tastes.
Also, holy shit at Unleashed being ported. First I've seen of that.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
No, it's definitely a different format than ADX. Still a Cinepak format, I think, but you need a compressor/decompressor that is tough to come by because you need an actual Cinepak license to acquire it.
It's either CSB or CPK, looking at the files.
It's either CSB or CPK, looking at the files.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
So I got this for PS3 the other day, finally, and hooooooly shit it's SO GOOD. Beautiful too. And the music, fuuuuck. I marked out a little when Escape From The City started playing.
But yeah, got it, love it, amazing game.
But yeah, got it, love it, amazing game.
So I got this for PS3 the other day, finally, and hooooooly shit it's SO GOOD. Beautiful too. And the music, fuuuuck. I marked out a little when Escape From The City started playing.
But yeah, got it, love it, amazing game.
It really caught me off guard as well. I didn't think SEGA still had it in them to create such a masterpiece of a game, but this game brought back my faith in Sonic games.
Crisis City Act 2 is my favorite theme in the game.
RubyEclipse
Sega of America
Totally worth reading, if you enjoyed the music in Generations:
http://blogs.sega.com/2012/05/08/sonic-generations-music-answers/
Interview with Senoue + Tomoya + Ohtani + Makhlouf, in response to the fan questions from a few months back.
http://blogs.sega.com/2012/05/08/sonic-generations-music-answers/
Interview with Senoue + Tomoya + Ohtani + Makhlouf, in response to the fan questions from a few months back.
Interesting, i'd certainly like Jun to work on more music.
Welcome to NeoGaf Ruby. (Actually you aren't new, just still a Junior for some odd reason)
By the way Ruby, we have a Sonic community thread here.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=460770
Welcome to NeoGaf Ruby. (Actually you aren't new, just still a Junior for some odd reason)
By the way Ruby, we have a Sonic community thread here.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=460770
The Xtortionist
Member
More Cash Cash please. They know what they're doing.
The more you play it the more you realize it's not that long.
Box of Bunnies
Banned
I won't object to giving them another chance, but to say they "know what they're doing" after they mangled Super Sonic Racing is wrong..
PeakPointMatrix
Member
Aw, mangled seems like a bit much. It was different but it grew on me. The original is still accessible anyway.
But I might be different since I also enjoyed "Speak with Your Heart"
*runs*
The Xtortionist
Member
Like most Sonic musicians (Runblebee lol) they suck when dealing with lyrical songs but their instrumentals are ace. Speed Highway classic is so fucking good I can't even comprehend it.
Box of Bunnies
Banned
I guess mangled is a tad harsh, since their version isn't really bad, it's just so completely different from the original.
Like I said, I don't mind using them again. I thought Speak With Your Heart was okay and liked Reach For the Stars, I'm just a big fan of the Sonic R soundtrack so it was just a little jarring.
R_thanatos
Member
Indeed , the level is way too long ..
I think that's because they made that levels based on 2 original colors levels.
The pacing in sonic generation of this levels is really bad IMO