Claude Augario
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How did I never pick up on this?
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Sonic Mania - Special Stages, Bonus Stages, & Time Attack Shown Off
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How did I never pick up on this?
Nocturnowl
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Man, when I said this I didn't get nearly as much chuckles
Original post do not steal
Not actually the worst case scenario since it sections off two disasters into their own shame corner.
SpeedySwaf
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Knuckles Chaotix.
Solid SOAP
Member
I'm in for that. Throw Sonic Labyrinth in there too for some handheld representation
Anyway, truly I don't understand this obsession with the canon. Does it really matter? I mean like, every game is essentially a soft reboot, storywise. I'm pretty sure you can reasonably say that Sonic 1, 2, 3, K, and CD are "canon," but ultimately what difference does it truly make?
Tizoc
Member
Those Metal/Mecha Sonic art is kickass.
Nocturnowl
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I guess people want to be able to say that Classic Sonic as its own series is consistently great, which fumbles when the interloper Sonic 4 turns up and poops all over the place.
But even then you have the various classic style handheld titles to consider from solid entries to duds like Blast so yeah ultimately it really doesn't matter.
TheCongressman1
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I've been using that as my phone background. It's sweet.
Red is from Chaotix. ;D
'06 literally writes itself out of existence.
Azure Dream
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Huh, that actually works pretty well.
Yet Silver keeps showing up for some reason.
Blaze was from an alternate dimension before she was from the future, until she was from an alternate dimension again.
Some things are better left unquestioned.
SoulUnison
Banned
I always assumed CD was just some random adventure Sonic had sometime between 1 and 2.
The Japanese instruction manual for Sonic 1 says:
This implies that Sonic 1 isn't even remotely the first time Sonic has stopped one of Robotnik's schemes.
There's probably tons of "off-screen" adventures that happen unless the games specifically point out direct continuity, like picks up directly from 2's ending cutscene, and 3 -> Knuckles is self-explanatory.
There's also the hidden image of Tails in CD with the caption "See you next game!"
So I always came to the conclusion that, on a meta level, CD happens before 2, and in-universe, CD happens before Sonic's met Tails.
The Japanese instruction manual for Sonic 1 says:
This implies that Sonic 1 isn't even remotely the first time Sonic has stopped one of Robotnik's schemes.
There's probably tons of "off-screen" adventures that happen unless the games specifically point out direct continuity, like picks up directly from 2's ending cutscene, and 3 -> Knuckles is self-explanatory.
There's also the hidden image of Tails in CD with the caption "See you next game!"
So I always came to the conclusion that, on a meta level, CD happens before 2, and in-universe, CD happens before Sonic's met Tails.
OriginalPoe
Banned
They really are seeming to nail it this time huh?
I wonder what happens if it sells really well...
I wonder what happens if it sells really well...
SolidSnakex
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That'll depend on what Sega meant when they made this vague comment about how it's received
http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/04/sonic...view-the-focus-is-on-old-school-fans-6753357/
Ghost_Messiah
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Yeah they pretty much indicated clear as day that if the game sells extremely well, which it's looking like it will, then they'll greenlight similar projects i.e. Sonic Mania 2.
CampbellzSoup
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Man no review copies yet to give us any kind of gauge on how good / bad it is ?? I want to media blackout but I can't it's addicting!
Ghost_Messiah
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I know yeah, I'm desperate to see reviews since I so want this to be super successful both critically and commercially. Wonder when reviews will drop?
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Reviews probably wont drop dash until release day.
Review copies were sent out
Triforce141
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Sonic Rivals (a game that came out a few days after Sonic 06 and was directed / written by Iizuka, fun fact) retconned Silver's backstory by saying he's still from a bad future, and only him.
Rivals 2 continues on with that and makes Ifrit and Rush's Eggman Nega (don't ask) the cause of Silver's time being in ruin, with Sonic and crew rightfully fixing that
Colors DS ends it with the psychic hedgehog showing up for a zone and talking about how nice his time has become
So there's at least an understandable reason why Silver's still showing up, even at the cost of another character getting the whole confusion
Silver is a jerk and asshole, keeps on coming back from the future to the past just to screw up the future lol
He might know of the future, but then we still control the past.
Yeah the teams for S2/3K and CD were entirely different and in different countries. Sonic 2's Mecha Sonic was actually created independently from Metal Sonic, and the S&K one was an upgrade/throwback to that one.
UM NO ACTUALLY IT'S MECA SONIC, GET IT RIGHT
(Sonic 2 concept art)
Man that concept art looks so much cooler than Metal.
MAtgS
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It annoyed me that Blaze's personal nemesis was in the rival games and not Blaze herself despite her being a rival archetype in the 1st Rush.
Blaze being from the future was a retcon as well.
Speaking of retcons, in Sonic Forces they've retconned it so that Classic Sonic is from an alternate dimension from Modern Sonic rather than time travel. Hopefully this means Classic is from a dimension where he doesn't befall the horrible fate of becoming Modern Sonic.
I imagine they're setting things up so that they have free reign to create both Classic and Modern style games without the two having to worry about each other.
Hitlersaurus Christ
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And despite Blaze officially being from another dimension now (though she can travel to Sonic's using the sol emeralds), Eggman Nega, despite his name, is officially Eggman's descendant from the future that hates him because he was such a failure that no one takes Nega seriously in his own time. So he apparently ended up in Blaze's world at some point and also teamed up with Eggman, but otherwise hated him and tried to get rid of him in the past.
And that's not even the most confusing part of Sonic "canon"
Hitlersaurus Christ
Banned
Well, it could be a separate Classic Sonic from the Generations one, or the alternate dimension that he's from is a timeline that split after he went back to his own time in Generations. But I think they will separate the franchise in to both a classic world and a modern one.
Claude Augario
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....so does this mean Forces retcons Generations out of existence?
Poltergust
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Um, wasn't Generations meant to be non-canon? I swear I read something about that before.
I mean, it makes Eggman's presence in Lost World less confusing, and Orbot and Cubot are not abandoned in the deep reaches of space anymore like they were shown in Generations, so...
Honestly, they should've made separate sub-series for Modern and Classic after the success of Generations.
Both have merit, let them play to their strengths as opposed to crowbarring them together again. Mania has the right idea. It's a shame we don't have a focused Modern Sonic title to accompany it.
Even if they do separate sub-series after this, equating character designs and playstyles is a massive problem. They shouldn't be afraid to do a Classic-styled game with a Modern aesthetic and vice-versa. Sonic 4's issue wasn't the character designs for instance.
I dunno. It just seems to encourage unnecessary fractures.
Both have merit, let them play to their strengths as opposed to crowbarring them together again. Mania has the right idea. It's a shame we don't have a focused Modern Sonic title to accompany it.
Even if they do separate sub-series after this, equating character designs and playstyles is a massive problem. They shouldn't be afraid to do a Classic-styled game with a Modern aesthetic and vice-versa. Sonic 4's issue wasn't the character designs for instance.
I dunno. It just seems to encourage unnecessary fractures.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
In a just world, the next evolution in aesthetics for classic Sonic would be sprite work on the level of the old Win95 Sonic Screensaver.
In a just world, the next evolution in aesthetics for classic Sonic would be sprite work on the level of the old Win95 Sonic Screensaver.
I was just thinking earlier how I hope, when Mania does well, Sega gives the team enough budget and time to do an honest to god Rayman Origins caliber 2D art game. I love how well the team has captured the classic Sonic pixel art aesthetic even in the new stages, but imagine if they could do a whole game with full HD assets.
Well, I mean like Modern Sonic still used to be Classic Sonic in his dimension, but I think they're doing the dimension thing to create a Classic Sonic who stays Classic Sonic. That way they can more freely separate the two.
Nah. Generations directly follows Colors. Eggman has a flashback to the ending of Colors to explain where he got his new power.
Physical copy, forcing us to double-dip on our purchase.
Also, Act 3, so no rings. Hope you've been hoarding 1-UPs.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
At least that part's easy.
On the rare occasion I replay Sonic 2 GG it's either a good ending in ~30 minutes or a game over on the first boss. :V
Who playtested that game?
Hitlersaurus Christ
Banned
If I'm recalling correctly what's publically been said about Sonic canon is that each major game generally follows the last one but you shouldn't think too hard about it. I think they also said that the details are up to fans imaginations but I can't remember if that was part of the same Q and A as the first part or not.
That said, Sega had some kind of internal canon because Ian Flynn, the (most recent) writer of the Sonic comics, is allowed to use things based on whether or not they're canon. I don't know the details but he said that Sonic R was considered canon by them.
Also Somic games now take place in two separate worlds that Sonic can travel between (Earth, with humans, and Sonic's world) which doesn't make sense in most of the main stories so canon is a very loose term.
The day before it releases, Aug 14th.
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Not a fan of Sonic 2 Master System but Sonic 1 Master System was legit.
CampbellzSoup
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For a sequel I would like them to use the Sonic 3 style of sprites this looks good:
Under a week to go, and Green Hill is the only stage where we've seen an entire play through. It and Chemical Plant are the only stages where we've extensively seen both acts.
Studiopolis was the first stage we saw and we've only seen a few brief seconds of Act 2 in the Special Stages trailer, and some likely outdated footage in the announcement. We've seen nothing of Mirage Saloon Act 1.
We know we're getting a CD-style intro cinematic (and maybe ending too) and we've not seen any of it.
I really hope this method of marketing the game works out in the long run. I'm really excited about how many surprises are waiting for us.
I'm staying the fuck off Youtube until I've beaten it though, I don't feel like seeing any "ALL BOSSES AND ENDING" thumbnails that ruin all the boss fights again.
Studiopolis was the first stage we saw and we've only seen a few brief seconds of Act 2 in the Special Stages trailer, and some likely outdated footage in the announcement. We've seen nothing of Mirage Saloon Act 1.
We know we're getting a CD-style intro cinematic (and maybe ending too) and we've not seen any of it.
I really hope this method of marketing the game works out in the long run. I'm really excited about how many surprises are waiting for us.
I'm staying the fuck off Youtube until I've beaten it though, I don't feel like seeing any "ALL BOSSES AND ENDING" thumbnails that ruin all the boss fights again.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
For a sequel I would like them to use the Sonic 3 style of sprites this looks good:
Since they're touting this as a direct sequel to S3&K I wonder why they didn't base the sprites on that game to begin with.
Because the Sonic 2 sprite looks better and more expressive
Never really liked the S3 sprite, the eyes are too small
the sonic 3 sprites were ugly
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