Sony made clear what their position is when it comes to PSV. No need to get defensive just because people are stating the obvious. About your comparison, it´s rather useless and by the end of the year even this "point" will be void.
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Sony: 100 million sold (PS3/PS4/Vita)
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Sony made clear what their position is when it comes to PSV. No need to get defensive just because people are stating the obvious. About your comparison, it´s rather useless and by the end of the year even this "point" will be void.
TMaakkonen
Member
Yes they have. Sony is going to keep selling Vitas. They have said this penty of times but yet people like to ignore that.
And dont do predictions about future. Most predictions are never going to happen.
Who would have thought that Wii would be such a huge success? Who would have thought that random new console maker would suddenly become Nintendo's biggest rival and sells way more than them? Who would have thought that PS3 would have such a bad start?
And yes, before 3DS got price cut, more 3rd party games & Monster Hunter, people predicted that Vita would have sold better.
So dont predict that Wii U would suddenly sell that much better. Perhaps WiiU USA+Japan will beat Vita USA+japan, but perhaps not the worldwide sales.
Of course this conversation would probably go defensive for both WiiU and Vita, so its best to say that both of them have sold like shit. Atleast there is no debate to that?
And before this is going off-topic, it is likely that 100 m sales goes:
PS3 84 m +
PS4 8.5 m +
PSV 8 m +
Despite lumping sales together PS3 sales should still be good. Not to mention PS4 has had great start.
Psycho_Mantis
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I do have to say some people truly underestimate how bad WiiU sold.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
If Sega hit gold they'd still be in the game.
shadowsdarknes
Member
As far as their active consoles go, they have an install base of ~50 million lol
But I love my Vita
Not bad, but I'd have thought the Vita and PS4 numbers would be reversed tbh.
Guess Vita might just make it to 10 mil before it's done after all, lol.
Out of interest, how so?
Guess Vita might just make it to 10 mil before it's done after all, lol.
Out of interest, how so?
LordOcidax
Member
Did you know how good are 50 Million active users? lol
TMaakkonen
Member
Oh god and then there is some people that think that Vita wont make it beyond 2015 or even less.
Playstation systems lifespands:
PS1 1994-2004 - 10 years
PS2 2000-2013 - 13 years
PS3 2006-2014+ - 8+ years
PSP 2004-2014(+?) - 10(+?) years
PSV 2011-2014+ - 3+ years
Geez, I sure do think Vita is dead by next year. /s
I would be actually surprised if it would die soon. Playstation system dying early would be unheard of.
Playstation systems lifespands:
PS1 1994-2004 - 10 years
PS2 2000-2013 - 13 years
PS3 2006-2014+ - 8+ years
PSP 2004-2014(+?) - 10(+?) years
PSV 2011-2014+ - 3+ years
Geez, I sure do think Vita is dead by next year. /s
I would be actually surprised if it would die soon. Playstation system dying early would be unheard of.
Aquamarine
Member
Well what's the definition of "dead"? Complete cessation of all hardware shipments?
Because if you look at hardware and software allocation, it's already dead in various territories as-is. Like the USA where many shops haven't received a new Vita shipment in months outside of a small burst of the new model.
Or in places in Europe like the UK where Vita software is barely stocked at all:
And Sony has made it pretty clear that it's going to become quite dead 1st-party wise. Its remaining life will be on the backs of primarily-Japanese and Indie game developers.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
You gotta let it go. Vita can't be compared to the PSP or other Sony home consoles.
Uncle Rupee
Banned
This is pretty silly.
If Nintendo wanted to copy them, they could come out and say 150 Million Sold (Wii/Wii U/3DS).
If Nintendo wanted to copy them, they could come out and say 150 Million Sold (Wii/Wii U/3DS).
Dredd97
Member
And Sony could just lump psp numbers in there as they still seem to be selling that system too...
It's a bit pointless tbh and will just lead to endless bickering...
TMaakkonen
Member
Of course not. I just feel like it could be comparable against WiiU. And in that regard many people consider Wii U healtier than Vita which I dont see as true. Quite frankly it wouldnt matter as much if Wii U wouldnt be praised that much(recently, I do remember 2013s Wii U troubles).
Perhaps everyone got tired of Wii U hate and having a good E3 made Wii U seem more viable. Not to mention actual big good 1st party games. Its just frustating that Vita gets currently most hate, when Wii U is technically in the same level.
EDIT:
Well what's the definition of "dead"? Complete cessation of all hardware shipments?
Because if you look at hardware and software allocation, it's already dead in various territories as-is. Like the USA where many shops haven't received a new Vita shipment in months outside of a small burst of the new model.
Or in places in Europe like the UK where Vita software is barely stocked at all:
And Sony has made it pretty clear that it's going to become quite dead 1st-party wise. Its remaining life will be on the backs of primarily-Japanese and Indie game developers.
Dead as in, system itself is discontinued.
Even if we would try to factor digital sales, there is no way Vita software sales are that alive.
ElectricKaibutsu
Member
I doubt anyone wants the Vita dead. It's an awesome device. Some people are just very negative about its prospects.
travisbickle
Member
Going toward? As in it might get there by next Spring?
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
They also have OG Xbox, 25 million just sitting there waiting to be claimed.
SlipperySlope
Banned
It's just hard to imagine when in Japan, the only place it is selling decently, it is only at 3 million. It pretty much bombed everywhere else, so it's hard to see 8 million for us without access to NPD.
I'm curious, could you give us an estimate of total US sales? Anyone have access to European sales?
tilinelson2
Banned
Lots of people want Vita dead because that would be the perfect scenario for them as far as handhelds go. They also want a few consoles dead too, but it looks a lot harder, so you don't see that desire so explicit.
Fake edit:
If you consider NA, PAL regions and Japan as "the whole world", it becomes harder to believe in the 8-9 million estimation.
Fattony12000
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Guesses for how many PS4s they'll shift over September?
Miles Quaritch
Member
Show me a few examples of people who want the Vita dead.
People actually wanting hardware to fail blows my mind.
I can't imagine having such a negative/hateful attitude.
I'll laugh at some hilarious attempts at gaming hardware (there were a ton in the 80s and 90s), but I'd never wish for a capable system from any maker to fail.
TMaakkonen
Member
Thinking about it, its not that people want Vita dead, its that people EXPECT Vita to be dead or atleast to die soon.
... Thats not much better.
... Thats not much better.
tilinelson2
Banned
I don't think it is good to point users, because it would quickly become a "flame war". Besides, these users could just say "I have never said I want Vita dead", but by their post history you can see that they jump into almost every discussion about Vita to celebrate its lack of success, to celebrate that games are not coming to Vita, and to provide "logical reasons" for why certain games should be released in other systems instead of Vita.
But many people want hardware to fail, because in their ideal world only one hardware maker should exist, and all the games should go to that platform. And it is not exclusive of one hardware maker, there are people who want different hardware makers to be the only ones to remain.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Eh, if they made those kinds of claims on this forum, it's fair game to post them again wherever you want
I just find it incredibly hard to believe anyone is actually wants the Vita dead. I need to see those posts to convince myself that such lunacy exists.
shadowsdarknes
Member
Huh?
Wouldn't be if you'd seen my spare room. And garage. And the small warehouse in my yard.
Aquamarine
Member
Sega Saturn was a failure and it sold 9.5 million.
The actual 8 million isn't that important. It's how much will the system continue to grow above 8 million that's the million dollar question.
Considering the system is nearly 3 years old, and it doesn't seem to be growing very fast, I'd say don't expect significantly higher. I don't think the console can double 8 million to 16 million by the time everything is said and done.
Shadow_FFVI
Member
The only certainty is that it's more than 100 million between the three.
The number in the video goes up to 120 million, but that seems unreasonable.
The number in the video goes up to 120 million, but that seems unreasonable.
Hype Going down, no great games launched since I:SS, i for one am just going to buy the white model when it comes out and i am not going to rush the store for it.
I love Japanese games so there is nothing worth the buy, and the PS3\Vita 3DS can still keep me satisfied.
I kinda do actually. I plan on getting a PS4 before the end of the year and Sony are just wasting resources on Vita at this point. Nothing is going to change things for it, so better to call it a day and focus on what sells so I have more to look forward to on PS4, which is likely to be around for a while yet.
Simultaneously, I also have some stuff I would like to play on Vita so when it gets shitcanned and the pricing on the consoles, games and memory cards plummets I'll be able to pick over the bones like a vulture. Interesting a console though it may be, it's done, and the less I have to spend indulging my curiousity about it, the better.
If any of this makes me a bad person, so be it, but I don't think it's a terribly unrealistic way to look at the situation.
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ethomaz
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7.65m for PS4 ia impossible with the data we already have (Sony, NPD, Japan, etc)... unless PS4 sold nothing in Europe and others regions last two months.
So PS4 minimum is 8.5 million... Vita didn't reached 8 million yet.
OP needs to make another estimate.
My estimates:
84m
8.5m
7.5m
So PS4 minimum is 8.5 million... Vita didn't reached 8 million yet.
OP needs to make another estimate.
My estimates:
84m
8.5m
7.5m
bananafactory
Banned
I made that based on Aquamarine's estimates for PS3 + Vita, (84 + 8.35) and just subtracted those from the 100.
But you are right - it does seem too low. I'll round Vita down and PS4 up so they're 8 each. I'm pretty sure the 84m PS3 number is accurate, though. So PS4/Vita are somewhere around 16m combined.
Acquiescence
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He only kills the ones that aren't impressed by what he's got in his front pocket.
and boy do you need big pockets to fit a vita in
Shadow_FFVI
Member
They said "more than 100 million".
But by mid April the PS4 had sold 7 million units. So its got to be more than 8 million by now.
yurinka
Member
Nice to see both PS3, PS4 and Vita doing a good job.
The 84/8/8 estimate seems fair specially considering they said "more than 100M".
Btw which are the last known Wii LTD worldwide sales?
Is it possible for PS3 WW LTD to outsell Wii WW LTD somewhere in the future following the trend? (let's assume PS3 reaches its 10 year lifecycle)
The 84/8/8 estimate seems fair specially considering they said "more than 100M".
Btw which are the last known Wii LTD worldwide sales?
Is it possible for PS3 WW LTD to outsell Wii WW LTD somewhere in the future following the trend? (let's assume PS3 reaches its 10 year lifecycle)
bananafactory
Banned
We haven't seen NPD numbers lately - I think it's quite possible that It's selling 150k or less in NA per month at the moment? It's dropped off a cliff in Japan - last I saw the VIta was selling double what PS4 is there (25k to 13k one month). If Europe numbers are similar to NA we could be looking at ~350k WW per month, which would definitely put it around 8 million at this point. Of course, it could also be much higher...
sindbadthesailor
Member
No it's true. There's quite a few jerks who want Sony to kill off the vita because they believe any resources devoted to it are a complete waste and should be redirected to it's console brethren, i.e. PS3/PS4.
Look through any vita discussion thread regarding it's future and you'll see them.
Bitanator
Member
Vita is quite opposite of good job, It is right there with the worst selling consoles in its third year. I will be surprised if it reached 15 million at the end of its life.
Isleofsancroy
Banned
Most of which are wrong, and wikipedias policy is not to be factually accurate, if bad/misleading information is all the "users" find then it will be put on as fact.
but... this one is factually accurate.
Complaining about people assuming Wiki citations are accurate while assuming that they're wrong is pretty silly when you can just follow it back to the original source and verify for yourself.
yurinka
Member
I think you'll be surprised. I'd say it's starting to improve recently thanks to the synergy with PS4 due to Remote Play / PS+ / CrossBuy and soon PS TV / PS Now and will improve more as PS4 installbase keeps growing. I also think some few games like Minecraft (it will be the best portable version by far) will help its sales.
Isleofsancroy
Banned
Comparison is silly, Satrun sold that much over a large extended period of time mostly due to japan.
Isleofsancroy
Banned
Issue sis this is wrong 90% of the time, i never said this thing here was bad. You came to that assumption on your own.
Bitanator
Member
That sounds like direct PR from Andrew House. Selling 7 million more is going to be hard when even if those above mentioned do have a slightly better uptick in sales for the device, it is not going to be selling 100,000 a month. It will probably take two years for the Vita to reach those sales, if it even does. In japan even, the thing considered "healthy" now by the few who want to believe that, will not reach the Saturn's LTD of 5.9 million
bananafactory
Banned
I saw a guy purchasing a preowned Vita at Gamestop the other week. IT LIVES.
Infinite Xero
Member
101 million as of March 2014.
Probably not. Last gen consoles seem to be dying off pretty quick but maybe a significant price drop might help.
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