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Sony GDC 2010 Press Conference (PS Move, PSWii Sports, PSWii Boxing, PSWii Party)
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GrotesqueBeauty
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I guess to a degree. Nintendo doesn't badmouth the competition directly, although they do occasionally give off an aloof air. And as far as Nintendo, it's never the technology itself that's innovative so much as its application. They always have the right software to launch it right out of the gate. And yeah, timing is a big factor as well.Raist said:
templeusox
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I think Sam Bishop is going to find out that all the cool stuff he was excited for will be embargoed and unfit for public consumption until a later date. He'll see it though.
fry - unused account
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I'm really surprised they didn't announce a Minna No Golf with Move support. Seems like a no-brainer. I guess there is still time.
No, wait, you are actually confusing me. Motion in the subcontroller is useless because it has no glowing ball. Or maybe "diminished use." Without the ball, no real tracking.Linkzg said:
You know what the worst thing is? I want another analog stick on the Move so that you can actually BETTER play FPS with it.
wtfDead Man Typing said:
Or, now that there are TWO consoles capable of 1:1 accuracy, maybe this will help Wii get better third party support for M+...
But that's simply because Sixaxis is little more than tilt/waggle...
The machine is HD, plays Blu-ray, runs 3D, plays Netflix in HD, has a robust online, and has better traditional/core games and a better traditional controller than the Wii. I don't think anyone's buying their PS3 -just- for a single function... I think casuals who initially want Move and nothing more will look at all the additional features of the PS3 and realize that they're getting much more than a Wii ($199 +$19 for M+) for $299 +$99 (assuming Sony doesn't offer a cheaper Slim PS3 and a more generous bundle discount by late November)
You mean to tell me that Wii Boxing rivals what I saw in the Move fighting game? Twilight Princess and Red Steel are a match for the Move sword/shield game?
Move is better than even M+ (the camera allows head/body tracking, and a better absolute position tracking system) let alone the basic Wiimote.
As I said, Move will make it easier for developers to justify more Motion+ development, as they now have two platforms to take advantage of motion controls. And I think Wii owners should be excited that developers will now have that much more incentive to explore Motion+.
Barkley's Justice
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hahahaha @ new thread title
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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radioheadrule83 said:
radioheadrule83
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NO NO NO UR DOING IT WRONNGGGGGG!!!!!!!!
Trailblaster
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VOOK said:
Because party games that have 4 players wont use the sub-controller or DS3
Eh.... not so fond of the blatant copying-ness of this, and that it apparently feels light is not a good thing...
But anyway, any impressions on the feel of the thing? The nunchuck felt like it worked for me because it fit to your hand with the design, but with something like this it seems like one-handed stick would just be a tad awkward/unwieldy. Also, are those buttons as ridiculously, ridiculously small as they look?
But anyway, any impressions on the feel of the thing? The nunchuck felt like it worked for me because it fit to your hand with the design, but with something like this it seems like one-handed stick would just be a tad awkward/unwieldy. Also, are those buttons as ridiculously, ridiculously small as they look?
The Awkward Wizard
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V_Ben said:
That sounds pretty awesome. I hope there's an option to turn it off and choose your own color sphere. I look forward to seeing more LBP Move stuff!
EmCeeGramr said:
Right on the spot. The article is terrible.
These differences are so small that not a single non-forum-poster consumer will notice em.
Kotaku, once again ladies and gentleman
Unfortunally people will really see the release of PS3 MOVE as a Wii copy (unless a REALLY good and innovative come along)
crazygambit
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Do we know the specs and layout of the nunchuck? If someone could repost them I'd appreciate it.
Smiles and Cries
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this thread is almost as good for shame and meltdowns as the "wallguy" thread
Rapping Granny
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EschatonDX said:
It's a Zipper trademark.
dragonfart28
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Sentry said:
lol.. okay, well if that warrants the extra cost for you.
AceBandage
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Salazar said:
Too be fair, Nintendo magic sells billions.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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cacildo said:
And will buy it if they already own a PS3. Dude, stop being so one-sided. I know your Wii is collecting Dust and all and you're waiting for your savior Red Steel 2 to show up but seriously man, you're making your avatar look smarter than you...
viciouskillersquirrel
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Maybe the PMS communicates with the Move via its own Bluetooth (or proprietary) network?VOOK said:
Dr Bad Dude PHD
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Reminds me of Eyetoy, this pleases me because it means I won't have to buy it.
Elan tedronai
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radioheadrule83 said:
right, fun's over. It's getting abit serious now. lock all the doors and bolt the windows
GrotesqueBeauty said:
Yeah well Nintendo is much more... subtle when it comes to that stuff. I guess it's the Japanese way
Microsoft might be the worst offender. Natal's reveal was brutal :lol
And yeah, I should have added that they also certainly know how to launch their products.
Recent era Nintendo basically feels more like a great marketing company than an innovative company. Sony would rather be a great engineering company. Not at the top of innovation either, but they certainly know their hardware.
OneMoreQuestion
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Is it necessary to buy the sub-controller if you already have a DS3?
fortified_concept
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Zeitgeister said:
They're both cameras but one is more technologically advanced than the other. In other words the situation is very similar to Wiimote and Move.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Shh! He's a Wii fanboy!TTP said:
interesting conference. not surprised to see the market follow Nintendo's amazing success and try to top it.
My only concern is the same as it always has been with the Eyetoys, it relies on reading visuals through a camera and translating that to movement which is a subtle but possibly substantial difference to the Wii where it seems there is a 'proper' relationship between your tv and your wiimote. By this I mean that the Wiimote knows where your tv/sensor bar is and behaves in relation to that, whereas the PSMove is an interpretation of your wand movement in 3D space. I'm not sure what the relationship is there or if there will be anything to distinguish between the different techniques.
One thing I've always hated with the Eyetoy though is the whole seeing yourself on screen thing. It demonstrates how poorly (imo) the eyetoy operates. The Wii feels like the game has brought an in-game object into your hand. The Eyetoy feels like its put a mirror image of you on the screen and in-game objects react to your on-screen image.
If you need an idea of how awkward this is, look at yourself in a mirror or webcam and try to do something like pour yourself a drink or pick up a ball using only the webcam image for guidance. I wonder if the more advanced stuff is simply an extension of this technique but with the image hidden and abit of extra power to process 3D motion.
But from the looks of it the rest of it looks promising and all my concerns will probably turn out to be completely unfounded. I just have a feeling Nintendo looked at these kind of techniques already and found reasons to reject them all so will be dubious about other attempts until I hear proper reviews.
My only concern is the same as it always has been with the Eyetoys, it relies on reading visuals through a camera and translating that to movement which is a subtle but possibly substantial difference to the Wii where it seems there is a 'proper' relationship between your tv and your wiimote. By this I mean that the Wiimote knows where your tv/sensor bar is and behaves in relation to that, whereas the PSMove is an interpretation of your wand movement in 3D space. I'm not sure what the relationship is there or if there will be anything to distinguish between the different techniques.
One thing I've always hated with the Eyetoy though is the whole seeing yourself on screen thing. It demonstrates how poorly (imo) the eyetoy operates. The Wii feels like the game has brought an in-game object into your hand. The Eyetoy feels like its put a mirror image of you on the screen and in-game objects react to your on-screen image.
If you need an idea of how awkward this is, look at yourself in a mirror or webcam and try to do something like pour yourself a drink or pick up a ball using only the webcam image for guidance. I wonder if the more advanced stuff is simply an extension of this technique but with the image hidden and abit of extra power to process 3D motion.
But from the looks of it the rest of it looks promising and all my concerns will probably turn out to be completely unfounded. I just have a feeling Nintendo looked at these kind of techniques already and found reasons to reject them all so will be dubious about other attempts until I hear proper reviews.
dragonfart28
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The sword and shield game looks pretty cool. If they could implement that same control in Demon Soul's 2 that would be awesome.
Flying_Phoenix
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The Wii vs PS3 wars in this thread are historical. :lol :lol
Not to jump on you but I assume that you don't play many Wii games. The motion in the nunchuck has found significant use in many Wii games.
Y2Kev said:
Not to jump on you but I assume that you don't play many Wii games. The motion in the nunchuck has found significant use in many Wii games.
SolidSnakex
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Empty said:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/02/23/sweeping-the-interactive-achievement-awards/
He talks about the games releasing this year and at the very end of the post he mentions that they're still working hard on TLG. So the fact that he didn't include it in that 2010 talk says a lot.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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OneMoreQuestion said:
Nope. You can use DS3 as a substitute to the sub (no puns intended).
cakefoo said:
You all continue to say stuff like this, and you all continue to be wrong.
People won't spend $400 on a system that plays motion-controlled games when they can already spend $220 for a system that plays motion-controlled games now. All other bells and whistles be damned.
rollingstart
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Y2Kev said:
I'm saying that there shouldn't be a nunchuck/SUBCONTROLLER. The wand should have an analog stick, four face buttons, two shoulder buttons. One controller that can serve all purposes. The PS3 controller is already symmetrical, so take two of these wands and you've got a dual shock controller.
Right now there are are games that:
-use dual shock 3
-use 1 move
-use 2 move
-use 1 move + 1 subcontroller
It's so confusing.
mentalfloss
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dragonfart28 said:
I don't think that would work. You need the subcontroller to move, but no motion would mean you can't control the shield. You would need two PSMoves, but then your character wouldn't be able to..uh.. move.