Mendax
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that has to be the best thing ever. the #1 example of faux outrage and gamerhate. loool.
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Sony is officially helping with funding and development with Shenmue 3
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that has to be the best thing ever. the #1 example of faux outrage and gamerhate. loool.
AwakenedCloud
Member
Not in the stock-market sense, but I'm giving money now in order to save money later. If the project gets funded, they have an role to fulfill in providing me with the appropriate backer goal. There are risks involved with this process, but weighing risk vs reward I'm confident that I'll save money by going this route so I decided to take it.
Melchiah
Member
Same here, eventhough I'm not interested in Shenmue. I don't get the complaints, when the alternative is getting nothing.
Now, kickstart a Kojima horror game next.
Veritigo_X
Member
I feel like most Kickstarters have outside funding. Why is this particular case a big deal?
I'll take my $29 copy, thanks.
If that were the case people would temp fund every project and then pull out. There's no guarantee on anything.
Impeccable
Member
I think we all know why.
EatinOlives
Member
People bitched last night that Sony just put up Shenmue III yesterday solely to get credit for the "hype" announcement, and that it was a dick move to not fund the game themselves.
Now that Sony says they're also funding it, now there's bitching that they weren't transparent and that it "sets a bad precedent" (it doesn't, symbolic KS goals have been around for YEARS)
This time it truly is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Now that Sony says they're also funding it, now there's bitching that they weren't transparent and that it "sets a bad precedent" (it doesn't, symbolic KS goals have been around for YEARS)
This time it truly is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Whitman's Ghost
Banned
I don't understand people who cannot fathom why this went up on stage. It went up on stage to get 9,000,000,000x attention. The End Period. It was Sony that was the publisher in the background.
You guys are grasping at straws here.
You guys are grasping at straws here.
And this is exactly why so many people were shocked when the Skullgirls expansion campaign put up realistic Indiegogo goals and broke down all of the costs.
then they're obviously idiots.
sleepwalkcapsules
Member
People should forget about ideallistic kickstarter. Think of it as a pre-order interest gauging website.
Everybody is - hopefully - getting what they paid for. Actually, with Sony stepping in this is even less of a risk!
I think the only thing they should've done is being more upfront about all of this. "Hey, here is a kickstarter. We have to make sure there is people to buy this thing. If it goes through we will invest more on it" The end.
Anyway, I think its great. No one is getting scammed. Shenmue isn't a certain success project, the fans are getting it to happen.
Everybody is - hopefully - getting what they paid for. Actually, with Sony stepping in this is even less of a risk!
I think the only thing they should've done is being more upfront about all of this. "Hey, here is a kickstarter. We have to make sure there is people to buy this thing. If it goes through we will invest more on it" The end.
Anyway, I think its great. No one is getting scammed. Shenmue isn't a certain success project, the fans are getting it to happen.
DidntKnowJack
Member
I don't have a problem with any of this. In fact this news is making me smile ear to ear.
Starsunder
Member
i have only read the first couple of pages, but this seems eerily similar to the bayoneta 2 situation, where without nintendo (sony in this case) the game wouldnt get made. minus the whole kickstarter thing of course.
curious to see how people handle this news, since in general it was handled pretty goddamn fucking poorly with bayonetta, what with people condemning the game, claiming to refuse to buy it, etc.
nevermind that the game wouldnt get made with the respective companies help.
curious to see how people handle this news, since in general it was handled pretty goddamn fucking poorly with bayonetta, what with people condemning the game, claiming to refuse to buy it, etc.
nevermind that the game wouldnt get made with the respective companies help.
PdotMichael
Banned
Publishers are losing money if they use Kickstarter..
The complains are just silly.
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
While I think all the complaints are overblown (there's been much worse done on Kickstarter, by far), I'd like to see this thread in an alternative universe where MS was in Sony's position: I'm struggling to guess if there would be more or less magazine rack-tippage.
Onimusha78
Member
If Sony hadn't presented it at E3 I'd probably have no idea a kickstarter even existed and wouldn't be backing it. The hype on here is what's driving me to give this man money for a sequel to a game that came out when I was six and I've never played. The game was almost mythical lol
No, the implication that an independent KS Shenmue would be able to be made with a 2million goal. Without investor interest they would've had to set the goal much higher and would've failed.
King Beyond the wall
Member
Eh? Sega are not developing the game, Ys Net, a small studio, are developing it. Your comparison is not even close to accurate.
Kickstarter is for projects which need a hand in initial funding. It has served shenmue perfectly by giving it the funding it needs immediately and by convincing other investors (Sony) to continue investing where necessary.
The salt in this thread is reaching dangerous levels.
This is great news! This means there is a lot more security when it comes to the project being completed and with the pulling power from Sony hopefully this could have Sega producing Shenmue 1+2 HD.
I'm sure Sony will be helping out the marketing and production side of things with a bit of investment from their end but what most people seem to be missing is that they are doing this from a 3rd part perspective so their actually involvement with the game design and development side of things will probably be pretty slim.
Without Sony and Kickstarter there is no way Shenmue III would ever be considered to be developed. But with Sony doing the whole "build the list" and using their connections to talk with Yu Suzuki directly they have managed to setup a kickstarter and allow Yu Suzuki and his studio to being early development.
Kickstarter is doing what it is supposed to be doing, kick starting the project and allowing it to become a reality. On top of that for people actually backing the project are losing out of nothing as they still get the product at the end of the day at a very fair price.
Then on top of all of this it means -2 years of heartache. Even if Sony fully funded Yu Suzuki and allowed how to create Shenmue III without kickstarter it would be an additional 2-3 year wait of everyone being tight lipped on what they are working on and no doubt some inevitable leak that would spoil any form of reveal!
Then finally expectations would be too high for the game if it was classed as a Sony 1st party exclusive as the scale of the game isn't going to be able to complete with modern AAA RPGs (Dragon Age, Witcher, Yakuza etc).
I'm sure Sony will be helping out the marketing and production side of things with a bit of investment from their end but what most people seem to be missing is that they are doing this from a 3rd part perspective so their actually involvement with the game design and development side of things will probably be pretty slim.
Without Sony and Kickstarter there is no way Shenmue III would ever be considered to be developed. But with Sony doing the whole "build the list" and using their connections to talk with Yu Suzuki directly they have managed to setup a kickstarter and allow Yu Suzuki and his studio to being early development.
Kickstarter is doing what it is supposed to be doing, kick starting the project and allowing it to become a reality. On top of that for people actually backing the project are losing out of nothing as they still get the product at the end of the day at a very fair price.
Then on top of all of this it means -2 years of heartache. Even if Sony fully funded Yu Suzuki and allowed how to create Shenmue III without kickstarter it would be an additional 2-3 year wait of everyone being tight lipped on what they are working on and no doubt some inevitable leak that would spoil any form of reveal!
Then finally expectations would be too high for the game if it was classed as a Sony 1st party exclusive as the scale of the game isn't going to be able to complete with modern AAA RPGs (Dragon Age, Witcher, Yakuza etc).
Mr_Antimatter
Member
It's not a preorder though. You can pull a pre order anytime before release, so 'lots of preorders' doesn't always translate to 'lots of sales'. You don't see a dime of preorder money.
This is going to be a sunk cost prepurchase. Once the campaign ends, that money is going to be sent Yu's way for game development.
WrenchNinja
Member
The outrage for this is ludicrous.
Sure, and then I have to buy the game at retail when it's released.
Are people beginning to see why it's stupid to call this a scam? I don't have to buy the game again on release just because Sony is now helping fund it. I already bought the game through the KS.
Audioboxer
Member
Well you know, Shenmue 1 was a prequel to Shenmue 2, which came out after Shenmue 2 via a time travel peripheral we had to kickstart in the future to go to the past to get Shenmue 1 when the Xbox didn't exist.
So, Shenmue 2 came first, is the answer to age-old question of the chicken or the egg.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Someone ask Huber if he's upset. If he's still happy, then I think we know what Shenmue fans think.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Yeah, why the fuck would people pledge 30 dollars and get the game when they can pull their pledge and buy it for 60 dollars later?
This is disgusting, fuck you Sony.
Except for the part where Sony has obviously already committed to funding this project.
SomewhatGroovy
Banned
I can't play the game. It is surreal to issue out a kickstarter with a caveat that it is only going to appear on a single console. It makes zero sense. I have never known a begger to be picky.
Whitman's Ghost
Banned
No one is damned tho. It's a few grumpy ass people on these boards is all. Nothing to worry about or care about.
yeah, that's definetly the big thing here, and I don't think its fundamentally wrong
considering no one puts any money if the thing isnt succesful tho, I also don't see what's wrong about being more upfront about it
you know, regardless of that kinda thing I think something to take away from this is how apparently everyone really undermined how popular Shenmue III would be
Mendax
Member
did they do so before the game received this much support on kickstarter? probably not!
depressed people are depressing
Holy crap at the concern trolling and "you're being exploited" talk in this thread.
Still a month left to cancel pledges and they are getting a copy for half normal price...
No one is being exploited. Honestly, just cut the crap and remember that the game wasn't being made for 14 years. :/
Wyndstryker
Member
But they wouldn't commit if the kickstarter didn't happen
Stone Ocean
Member
I'm 100% sure we would have a thread such as this but much, much worse.
Some of these responses do feel like that. I'm bailing out too. At least this might educate some people on how Kickstarter is used.
Zurick
Banned
Screw Resident Evil 2. How about some more Megaman X!?
EatinOlives
Member
Yeah, that's was a big reality slap for many.
So many lessons UNlearned from the Skullgirls debacle. The gaming community really should know better at this point.
joecanada
Member
Lol so Sony pitches in money for a Ps4 version and that "ruins it" okay then . whatever you say it's your money. Lol.
It's not like they are getting any of your actual money (as they don't own the IP) but just keep being so concerned...
real_slime
Banned
There isn't a negative - the only angle I can see someone with a dislike for these developments is that they must think this was part of the plan all along and Sony is trying to steal $2 million from people which, if you are funding a KS for a game, they were DEFINITELY gonna spend anyway.
Even if that was the case, does it really matter at all?
And I can't see why it would be.
"Yes, of course we'll fund Shenmue 3 out of nowhere after 15 years - but only on the condition you do a Kickstarter and we can get a little taste of that cash beforehand....bwahahahaha....."
Good.
So when the game is out, are you going to not buy it due to ethical in business belief on PR and marketing?
Admiral Woofington
Member
I don't see the issue. It's a very niche title that Sony knows is demanded highly within inner nerd circles but wasn't sure that people would be able to back up when we had to put money where our mouths are. We proved there is money there, so now they are officially doing what they were wanting to do with less of a risk of it flopping immensely.
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