Alcahest
Member
Same shit here, good scare, something is going on..
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Sony Playstation Network hacked?
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Same shit here, good scare, something is going on..
flipswitch
Member
Question: I have deleted my CC info from the playstation web store, do I need to delete it off my ps3/vita as well like in account management?
Yeah, it seems now said group is hitting PSN accounts.
More free games.
Tragicomedy
Member
Detected breach in security doesn't sound good at all.
The positive is I've confirmed the $150 is still sitting in my wallet. I'll give Sony a chance to make it right in the morning. I can't think of a single reason they won't credit that money back to my card, since it was added in a fraudulent transaction and I have no intent to spend it on anything.
If they refuse, that will open up a whole new ordeal. I'm not enamored with my PSN account and rarely use my Vita. It's my travel entertainment and I've enjoyed some free PS+ games, but I refuse to be forced to spend $150 on their store like one of the posters on their forums was told to do.
I'll get the BBB involved and companies like Sony usually don't like the negative publicity there and do the right thing. If that fails, I'll do the nuclear option of having my bank do a charge back. I can live without my PSN account. I would lose my digitally purchased games, correct?
The positive is I've confirmed the $150 is still sitting in my wallet. I'll give Sony a chance to make it right in the morning. I can't think of a single reason they won't credit that money back to my card, since it was added in a fraudulent transaction and I have no intent to spend it on anything.
If they refuse, that will open up a whole new ordeal. I'm not enamored with my PSN account and rarely use my Vita. It's my travel entertainment and I've enjoyed some free PS+ games, but I refuse to be forced to spend $150 on their store like one of the posters on their forums was told to do.
I'll get the BBB involved and companies like Sony usually don't like the negative publicity there and do the right thing. If that fails, I'll do the nuclear option of having my bank do a charge back. I can live without my PSN account. I would lose my digitally purchased games, correct?
StanleyStutters
Member
This seems to happen a lot with these FIFA packs. Hopefully everything works out for you OP, and this doesn't become a widespread issue. Just to be safe I've changed almost all my PSN info and deleted my billing info.
Disgusting behavior from the Sony customer service.
In their defense, there are occasions where they do refund, but it seems more common they dont.
I cannot understand why they dont refund fraud victims but that would involve Sony admitting some form of fault, which they rarely do.
Most of my anecdotes are based on Sony Australia who are absolute muppets, I dont know how good or bad they are elsewhere.
I cannot imagine this is a legit full blown hack in the same way that PSN was hacked previously, and if it were I would want to believe that Sony would want to get out in front of it this time instead of it blowing up as it did before.
It also sounds like its tied to Fifa somehow (and the Xbox versions are affected aswell?) Kind of makes it sounds like this would be just as much on EA, but im not sure how this works.
It also sounds like its tied to Fifa somehow (and the Xbox versions are affected aswell?) Kind of makes it sounds like this would be just as much on EA, but im not sure how this works.
Can this be explained to me? Is it if you purchase it off the store? Why does that get breached?
Alcahest
Member
Hence the question mark.
StanleyStutters
Member
I'm not entirely sure, but this isn't the first time I've heard about people having their cards used to buy FIFA packs. Could be an issue on EA's end.
"Neogaf being sold?"
Question mark is all fine and dandy but its still sort of alarmist.
Still gets blown out of proportion.
dungtongue
Neo Member
Are FIFA packs some sort of hacker currency? Like Bitcoins? Maybe the hackers are EA Sports employees?!
ReturnOfTheRAT
Member
Listen to MThanded, he's making sense.
If there were another full blown hack I would not be one to defend any of the bullshit, but I will say that lots of people try to scam companies out of money by making false claims of being victims.
I have not been effected by any hack as it stands right now, but there would be nothing really stopping me from calling Sony and claiming that it had. How would they know that I was being honest without some form of proof. The best thing to do in these situations is to conact your bank.
Brad Grenz
Member
FIFA is only involved in that once you compromise an individual account to buy PSN credit (or MS Points in the case of the 360), that store credit can effectively be laundered into real money via Ultimate Team booster pack DLC. The cards can be freely traded between accounts and some are considered desirable so it's possible to sell them online for real money.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Does Sony have that second tier protection like steam + like many other competent services where they require a password sent to email/phone to register use of new computers or even a new browser?
For example, if someone happens to get my steam pwd, they also would need to have my phone or email to access the steam account anyway, unless they somehow happen to be connecting via my computer.
This security feature makes me feel safe to use credit cards online...
For example, if someone happens to get my steam pwd, they also would need to have my phone or email to access the steam account anyway, unless they somehow happen to be connecting via my computer.
This security feature makes me feel safe to use credit cards online...
Nikodemos
Member
Because the FIFA packs are extremely easily monetisable. Set up a phishing server reroute, crawl through users' data for their credit card info, buy FIFA packs, send them to other accounts, sell them, profit. It's a lot easier and quicker than a brute-force server hack for user logs etc. (especially after Sony tightened security). They're usually caught pretty quickly, but, due to user throughput, they manage to snag several thousand accounts by the time sysadmins notice something's wrong.
Yeah, the EA id link is one of the weak links used by this group to get booster packs.
I remember hearing about these fifa hacks from people I knew with 360s, did/were MS ever able to do anything about it? It seems weird that you would only target Fifa of all things as there is DLC for just about every game these days.
The latter. It's been happening for several years now on xbox live. Given that it's been going on there for so long, I doubt it happening on PSN too is any indication of a wide-scale breach. My money would be on a small-scale security flaw of EA's, or some social engineering with customer support reps. Hell it could be something as simple as phishing. I'm pretty damn good at keeping on top of my computer security, but it still happened to me 3 years ago.
NoirVisage
Banned
Has the OP mentioned whether or not they used a PC recently to access PSN? I'm eating Sausage and Chicken Gumbo
Considering EA has been hacked before and someone told me my Origin details were in the accounts list by the hacker, I don't spend any money on Origin anymore. That hack happened in 2010 I believe and most Origin accounts were compromised but they didn't get a hold of my CC at least.
And people wonder why some are reluctant to switching completely over to a digital system where you're just paying for the licenses. I haven't had any issues with Steam at least.
My Live account was hacked and someone was using it as a gateway to launder money using other people's Paypal accounts and I caught wind of it randomly once I received an email about funds being added and it took me a few weeks for MS to remove the funds and check it out after going back and forth with them for a while. I kept insisting I didn't do it or else I wouldn't report random money being in my account and that I would like it to be addressed so I don't get in trouble and they finally solved it after a while even though they took out what funds I myself had on my account after telling them that a certain amount was mine before any Paypal accounts were added.
Thanks. I'll have to unlink my EA account then. Before that though, is it safe if the password I have for my EA account is different than any login passwords I have?
That does it then. I'm unlinking it now.
Nikodemos
Member
Because the Ultimate Team Booster Pack DLC is the generally prefered route to launder the funds stolen off users' cards.
NoirVisage
Banned
He actually did back in 2010, thats what the psn money was spent on fifa booster packs.
Thats what I've always said: call your bank. The problem is, Sony ban you when you do and your bank does a chargeback.
Assuming this follows the same pattern as these kind of incidents that have been happening on live for years now - having played Fifa doesn't matter. I had never touched one before and it still ended up happening to my live account.
Jawmuncher
Member
Wonder what would happen if both Sony and MS forced EA to change the way FIFA packs work.
NoirVisage
Banned
You did, you downloaded a demo, and realized it would never be for you, thats how Sadako got in your Xbox360.
Yeah... no.
Nope you don't need to have owned FIFA for it to happen. They just need access to your account, they add money to your own account with your CC, and then buy FIFA packs and move them to other accounts. If you caught it before the money on your PSN account was spent, you're fine.
NoirVisage
Banned
Don't lie to me.
IdreamofHIME
Member
Don't need to have played a game to buy DLC and FIFA's boost packs can be turned into real world money. It's a giant gaping hole in security that's been around for a long time now that no one seems prepared to fix.
Can't fix it? Yank them from the marketplaces. Does EA really wield that much power, that MS/Sony can't remove content from their servers that compromises the security of their customers just because it would stop EA making extra cash?
If so, fuck both Sony and MS for being little bitches.
It was on us.playstation.com after hitting sign in. It happened when I tried it with the PS blog too.
edit: I just tried it right now and it doesn't seem to be doing it now. The warning isn't popping up anymore at least. I have the sites bookmarked so it's not like I picked the wrong site accidentally. Weird.
I was surprised to see my PSN password not working the other day. I did not get an email or anything; it just seemed like my password was changed. I reset it myself afterwards and checked if anything had been bought, which didn't seem like it was the case.
Pretty pissed at Sony for not telling me anything about this at all. They didn't send me an email or anything. Deleted all my credit card details and will not enter them again. I stayed away from entering my details after the first PSN hack but not telling me about it when they think there's been a problem with security is just a shitty move. Especially considering how many people have had a shitty experience with Sony when it came to cases of people being charged for things they didn't buy.
Pretty pissed at Sony for not telling me anything about this at all. They didn't send me an email or anything. Deleted all my credit card details and will not enter them again. I stayed away from entering my details after the first PSN hack but not telling me about it when they think there's been a problem with security is just a shitty move. Especially considering how many people have had a shitty experience with Sony when it came to cases of people being charged for things they didn't buy.
Zoe
Member
They're not making the charges on the PS3 unless they can guess your CVV on the first try.