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Sony PS4 does not require an internet connection. Ever. Seriously. Listen. Read.
- Thread starter Amir0x
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PR Firm/Viral marketer confirmed.
mysteriousmage09
Member
Amazing.
BruiserBear
Banned
This threaded needed to be made.
I think you've greatly misinterpreted this debate. The online DRM checks are the biggest problem. If you can't check in with those servers, every game you've purchased for that console is instantly worthless.
I think you've greatly misinterpreted this debate. The online DRM checks are the biggest problem. If you can't check in with those servers, every game you've purchased for that console is instantly worthless.
jonscrambler
Member
it's already confirmed each PS4 game can require online registration (not the same as online pass) and that's up to the publisher.
Jondoyle123
Neo Member
you are joking right ?
BruiserBear
Banned
Kotaku update should put this to bed for sure.
What Kotaku update?
Knux-Future
Banned
Dreamgazer
Member
That one.
Ploid 3.0
Member
BOOM!!! That should clear things up nicely. So again, like people said, it would most likely be up to publishers to activate a drm on their own games. So if EA wants no used game for their madden on PS4 they will have to put a code in or something. Like those PSN games that required you to be online to play it, I will just skip them. There will be plenty of fish in the sea for me to pick from. -1 sale for those games. If every game adds it (doubt) I'll just have a PS4 with the game I bought it for which shouldn't require it because I'll check before buying it and the PS4.
This is also, as the trend suggests, completely wrong.
There is a radical difference. If the scenario I laid out were true.
Because on ONE platform it's forced, every time, every game. Once every 24 hours. And on the other, you can simply pick the games that never require the internet to buy, and give the middle finger to the ones that do - allowing you to exercise your rights as a consumer and direct your ire at those who hate consumers. This would still be a system that gave the power to the consumer.
And if you can't trace that distinct difference, I really am beyond all ability to help you. It would seem after that you were being intentionally obtuse
fallagin said:
That's no title change. That was my title from the start lol
We just opened the Pandora's box. We had no way of knowing that these evils would spread!
This is also, as the trend suggests, completely wrong.
There is a radical difference. If the scenario I laid out were true.
Because on ONE platform it's forced, every time, every game. Once every 24 hours. And on the other, you can simply pick the games that never require the internet to buy, and give the middle finger to the ones that do - allowing you to exercise your rights as a consumer and direct your ire at those who hate consumers. This would still be a system that gave the power to the consumer.
And if you can't trace that distinct difference, I really am beyond all ability to help you. It would seem after that you were being intentionally obtuse
Thanks for taking the time to explain your stance. I now understand what you mean. It's reference to how it's up to publishers if they want to block used games or not? Then you're right. If that's all that we'll have on PS4 then it can't be defined as "internet connection required" What I have been saying from the beginning is that I still don't believe that's the extent of DRM we'll see. I tried to explain it a few times but didn't really get anything useful as a respond.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Haha, yeah -- I thought the thread got a title change when coming back to the GAF home page.
I think he thinks an mod put "Listen. Read." into the title in response to all the people not listening OR reading
It's all me, though
gutter_trash
Banned
source plz
Puppet Shadow
Member
If it turns out that you still need an internet connection to simply register a game so it's tied to the system, then I'll be more angry at Sony than I am at Microsoft for straight out lying. Liars piss me off more than confused idiots.
Says in the OP, that Sony will let the publisher decide if they want individual games to do that.
Of course, what that means is we as consumer can simply give the middle finger to the games that do (Unless it's like a MMORPG or persistent online game or something like that)
I think he thinks an mod put "Listen. Read." into the title in response to all the people not listening OR reading
It's all me, though
Oh, wait, yeah I thought this was that other thread.
This one doesn't need a thread title change Knux-Future
Banned
I hope this is true but man if Sony pulls the rug out...
the rage will block out the sun.
Coldest Winter brehs
the rage will block out the sun.
Coldest Winter brehs
Canis lupus
Member
Thats my plan too, wait until E3 clears all confusion, only 10 more days!
This is the part that still worries me slightly (although, it would be different if Sony was mandating the system); under a worst case scenario, EA and Activision become so adamant in their DRM practices that it would serve as an incentive for other developers putting games on the PS4 to do their own game/publisher specific DRM, assuming there is enough reward with little risk (and they can get away with it).
Regardless, here is where voting with your wallet is really going to count, folks.
BruiserBear
Banned
I'll make this a separate post seeing how fast this thread moves. No use in editing!
Thanks for taking the time to explain your stance. I now understand what you mean. It's reference to how it's up to publishers if they want to block used games or not? Then you're right. If that's all that we'll have on PS4 then it can't be defined as "internet connection required" What I have been saying from the beginning is that I still don't believe that's the extent of DRM we'll see. I tried to explain it a few times but didn't really get anything useful as a respond.
This is also, as the trend suggests, completely wrong.
There is a radical difference. If the scenario I laid out were true.
Because on ONE platform it's forced, every time, every game. Once every 24 hours. And on the other, you can simply pick the games that never require the internet to buy, and give the middle finger to the ones that do - allowing you to exercise your rights as a consumer and direct your ire at those who hate consumers. This would still be a system that gave the power to the consumer.
And if you can't trace that distinct difference, I really am beyond all ability to help you. It would seem after that you were being intentionally obtuse
Thanks for taking the time to explain your stance. I now understand what you mean. It's reference to how it's up to publishers if they want to block used games or not? Then you're right. If that's all that we'll have on PS4 then it can't be defined as "internet connection required" What I have been saying from the beginning is that I still don't believe that's the extent of DRM we'll see. I tried to explain it a few times but didn't really get anything useful as a respond.
Ploid 3.0
Member
I think he thinks an mod put "Listen. Read." into the title in response to all the people not listening OR reading
It's all me, though
Had the foresight to add that knowing people would still browse over big clues.
I really hope sony does the "game disk from one system to another" demonstration live on stage thing. It seem like people won't believe it until they see it.
TheChillyAcademic
Member
Amirox what in the FUCK would gaf be without you
Cheers!
Cheers!
test_account
XP-39C²
What was the thing with backward compability on PS3? First they had it, then they removed it. It was well known that they did this, at least on the websites etc. i visit, so i wouldnt call it misleading.
Evolution_1ne
Banned
so many grey names these last few weeks.......this is only just the beginning
What about second OS support?
Winter is coming?
Perfectly respectable. Believe it or not, I understand your skepticism and cynicism. It just felt a little at times like you were trying to find ways not to believe, instead of just seeing the story as it stands.
But that said, it's all good and I understand you better now too.
Viruz
Member
gutter_trash
Banned
I remember being locked out from play Bionic Commando ReArmed 2 during the infamous OUTAGE.
It completely changed the way I approach Capcom downloadables to the point that I avoid everything Capcom
It completely changed the way I approach Capcom downloadables to the point that I avoid everything Capcom
But to what extent? My Steam library can also be enjoyed old-school for a couple weeks. Sony could have no restrictions on their first party releases, but that doesn't mean EA will do the same if the console still has an online DRM infrastructure in place.
I'm as eager to move on from this online/used games debacle as all of you, but we still don't have a clearer picture of what DRM will be like on the PS4 than we had after the Sony event in February.
Ploid 3.0
Member
They can do that on PS3 right now. No one has done that though. There are disk games that require online but they don't get tied to your PSN like online pass codes.
I'm sure if one brave greedy publisher does it on PS4 that it will be clearly visible on the box, hopefully plastered directly in the center as required by sony just to deter publishers from doing it.
Except.... Sony told press that PS4 can be used perfectly well when in offline mode, and MS told press [in Sesslers video interview] that offline Xbone can be used only for "TV, Blu-Rays and music". After Xbone fails to get his internet heartbeat, that console is essentially DEAD to 100% of gaming community.
I didn't know there was a time limit for Steam's offline play? There's so much contradicting information on this subject. Last I heard it was "forever offline".
This thread is gold.
There is a limit, but it's like 2 weeks or something really long like that. At least, I think that's the case
That is EXACTLY how the PS3 works right now!
I really thought the majority of GAF users were more knowledgeable about the current market, but apparently not. It's been this way from day 1 on PS3. Only in the entire 7-8 year history of the PS3 have like 3-5 games even used it. All but one of them were from Capcom and they were only for PSN downloadable games. I can't even remember the games offhand because I refused to even think about buying them. Maybe someone else can state the literal handful of titles that uses online checks when you load the game on your PS3.
Maybe this bit of info needs to be added to the OP as well. I can't believe people think this is something new. It's already been shown that most publishers & developers don't use it when it's not a system level security function.