I added this quote with a link to the Kotaku article in the OP. Gave you a nod too, Tiemen, for the suggestion
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Sony PS4 does not require an internet connection. Ever. Seriously. Listen. Read.
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I added this quote with a link to the Kotaku article in the OP. Gave you a nod too, Tiemen, for the suggestion
rudieboy77
Member
They are not advertising that is does or doesn't require always online. Look I really do not care, I just do not accept PR spin at face value.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Holy shit, LOL
It matters because it affects whether you can sell/pass on your games when you're done.
It doesn't matter what Sony says even if it's as blatantly clear as the statement "2 is greater than 1", people will read what they want to read to justify whatever their favorite company is doing. Microsoft could say that they plan on making you buy a new controller every year by deactivating your old one and some people would still say that Sony is going to do the exact same thing but they just don't come right out and say it.
People should be rooting for the gamers and gaming in general and not specific companies, but those who do suit up in armor for their company in these great console wars won't see it that way. I'm not saying everything MS is doing is bad or vice versa, but on this issue it's pretty damn clear unless Sony is blatantly lying (instead of just half answers and PR spin). Either way, we'll find out in a few weeks and a lot of people will have to find new excuses to defend their kings in this war. To defend some of these policies now is to tell companies that it's alright to stomp on the consumers because some people will buy it anyway. We know both companies are aware of the outrage so it's up to them if they listen to their market or if they remain stubborn, but to even give these companies a slight hint that this shit doesn't matter and a few decent games will make up for their bad policies is to basically hurt the company you're so adamantly defending in the long-run as they lose some people due to their decisions that you defended.
And given how people didn't read the OP, I assume I typed those paragraphs more as a personal journal than anything else.
People should be rooting for the gamers and gaming in general and not specific companies, but those who do suit up in armor for their company in these great console wars won't see it that way. I'm not saying everything MS is doing is bad or vice versa, but on this issue it's pretty damn clear unless Sony is blatantly lying (instead of just half answers and PR spin). Either way, we'll find out in a few weeks and a lot of people will have to find new excuses to defend their kings in this war. To defend some of these policies now is to tell companies that it's alright to stomp on the consumers because some people will buy it anyway. We know both companies are aware of the outrage so it's up to them if they listen to their market or if they remain stubborn, but to even give these companies a slight hint that this shit doesn't matter and a few decent games will make up for their bad policies is to basically hurt the company you're so adamantly defending in the long-run as they lose some people due to their decisions that you defended.
And given how people didn't read the OP, I assume I typed those paragraphs more as a personal journal than anything else.
NullPointer
Member
I keep reading the thread title and all I see is wiggle room.
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Nop, I just read the hahahaha that you used to disguise? your disagreement. Haven't been able to read most of the other stuff because I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or trolling, so I didn't pay much attention.
The hahahaha grabbed my attention though.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Guys, look, I know it's Amir0x, but you're gonna want to listen to what he's saying this time. Just this once.
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PolarGamer
Member
It's kind of off topic but I've been wondering about this myself. Has this been discussed in a separate thread (can't find one) then please link.
Well maybe you should. The pot calling the kettle black.
That is the thing, though. There is no spin. No alternate interpretation. That is a flatout confirmation. You're putting up your shield for absolutely nothing.
Oyashrio-Sama
Member
Please be true!!! You have my money Sony, day 1!
Have you seen all the posts stating "no always online" makes "no used games" and "drm" impossible? I´m honest here, this is quite confusing.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
It doesn't mean that the hardware isn't capable of such a check. It just means that Sony isn't mandating it. Going by the wording, if publishers want that type of DRM they're free to implement it on the PS4.
theviolenthero
Member
This is the EXACT rumor that's been floating around about the Xbox One.
The 24hr check will ONLY be for the privilege to play games without a disc in the drive.
If you don't have a online connection you still can play your games but you would have to have the disc in the drive (exactly how the 360 works now).
I expect both companies to use this set-up and have 'activation passes' replace "online passes" as a way to make money off used sales,hinder piracy,etc...
……forgetit
Member
Most of my next gen gaming over the next 2 years will be in a dorm room with a crappy connection. This is definitely a God send for me and made my choice that much easier.
Live Free or Die
Banned
Just like how it works on PS3
Insane Metal
Member
Dayum.
Well I guess that means no DRM?
Well I guess that means no DRM?
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
There is no rumor that you can use the disc for DRM purposes for the XB1. Everything they have said has been the disc is only used for a one time install.
Paper Sparrow
Member
I agree with that. Honestly, none of these companies have done anything to earn 100% of my trust. However, there is no reason to believe they are lying. Really, all we can do now is wait.
I'm sort of surprised (not really) people are arguing for or against when we might have the answer in about a week.
RadarScope1
Member
Great OP. It all seems pretty cut and dried, and you have to admit that these guys have been singing a pretty consistent tune for a few months now. Contrast that to the constantly shifting and conflicting statement by MS's team. That tells me that either Sony has some incredibly iron-clad and professional worldwide PR, or the statements are based in the truth and therefore need no spinning. Maybe both.
Amir0x is certainly right about one thing: if they go back on these statements then its a HUGE fuck up and they've been outright lying - not merely spinning - for months.
Finally there is still the possibility of disc based DRM using that RFID patent, as people have said. I can't quite get my head around how that would work, but GAF is a skeptical and even paranoid bunch. Count me as one who still thinks something is up...
I want to believe. We'll know more in 11 days.
Amir0x is certainly right about one thing: if they go back on these statements then its a HUGE fuck up and they've been outright lying - not merely spinning - for months.
Finally there is still the possibility of disc based DRM using that RFID patent, as people have said. I can't quite get my head around how that would work, but GAF is a skeptical and even paranoid bunch. Count me as one who still thinks something is up...
I want to believe. We'll know more in 11 days.
madmaxx350
Member
it's hilarious lol.
Not really since I'm just questioning why you answered that way if you're just disagreeing instead of actually laughing.
Can be a bit confusing.
H_Prestige
Banned
Xbone does not play games off the disc. The disc is an installer, nothing more.
Says him and contradicts his own thread on the same page.
That is DRM not unlike XBONE's. It's not always-connected (neither is any platform known to man and yes this includes XBONE). Yet you can't play the console without connection. The question is will this realize? I don't know. Same seems to hold true for you considering what you said. Yet you made this very absolute thread. I wonder why.
Yeah context is some shit. Separate posts don't always hold up that well. One of the problems with NeoGAF's format where you are only allowed (or encouraged) to quote the latest post of the conversation.
None of this sounds too earth-shattering to be honest. Even FF is not nearly as important as it was at the beginning of the previous generation.
then why can't they just say so? they've been pretty coy about the whole thing.
I am not contradicting anything. Are you going to start misinterpreting regular posts now too? lol
Naw, I'm just suggesting that is the only scenario left to them with how clear these statements are. However, this set up is nothing like the Xbox One, so you need to stop saying that altogether if you want to be taken seriously on the subject.
I think Dead Rising is a pretty big win for them. Mirror's Edge 2 will just make me cry, but buttocks says a PC version will come too, so I'll hold my tears for the moment.
....or announce a lot of shiny new games (smoke screen) and then reveal the DRM once and for all in some random E3 interview.
That's what I would do.
SlowRevolution
Member
don't want to alarm anyone but sendou is an anagram of NO USED
coincidence?
coincidence?
Your thread is very absolutely about how PS4 will not have DRM of any kind. Yet you do seem to acknowledge that there is a possibility of certain type of DRM. That's all I have been saying too.
Comparision to XBONE on my part should only be limited to the fact that the quotes in the OP could all be applied to that machine (some straighter some with clever word accrobatics)
I wish there was an extension for NeoGAF which automatically would search any suitable anagrams from users' names. You know to make a clever post with little to no hassle?
hahah wow that is really amazing though
Xbone: No Internet connection always
PS4: No internet connection required AT ALL.
Small two words that make all the difference. You can't ignore that. PS4 doesn't require Internet connection at all. You can take it to the dark side of the moon if you want and as long as you have electricity you could still play Uncharted 4.
Plus,with the robust Internet connections they quite likely meant that a lot of countries in the world don't have Internet everywhere (US doesn't, a lot of other countries are even worse off). Meaning, if someone lives in a neighborhood where there is no Internet connection build yet but is rich enough to buy a game console, they are out of luck with Xbone.
Oh mai god. OH MAI GOD.
Sendou said:
Buh? It's very absolutely about how it will not REQUIRE AN INTERNET CONNECTION. Says so in the title! The DRM stuff is just the implication people are taking from it. Sendou, I'm starting to worry for you
Also, the quotes in the OP absolutely cannot be applied to Xbox One. Jesus, I think you're just a lost cause. Sorry Sendou
Thank you. Hopefully more people will see it now.I added this quote with a link to the Kotaku article in the OP. Gave you a nod too, Tiemen, for the suggestion
And a mention in an OP on GAF, before even making ten posts or being on GAF for more than a day; Hurray!Thank you. Hopefully more people will see it now.
Don't matter to me if you're a junior or a regular member... if you post cool shit, I'm listening
ThisWreckage
Banned
It seems to me that they've nipped this in the bud. At least several people within the company have replied with a similar answer. If they'd double back at E3 they'd get crucified at this point. So no, it's not going to require an internet connection. Period.
Syphon Filter
Member
No the main issue is the 24 hour online.
I don't know, call me pessimistic of the direction of this industry but "we'll leave the decision on online game activation up to the publishers" means they'll do that. I don't think that the system functioning offline stops publishers for needing their games to be activated online.
It's the publishers who are pushing for this. If we leave it up to them, they'll still do it.
It's the publishers who are pushing for this. If we leave it up to them, they'll still do it.
Pretty much sums up the stance I'm taking but hey, it's wrong (heh).
But we can still buy the console and the games we like that don't do this.
Buh? It's very absolutely about how it will not REQUIRE AN INTERNET CONNECTION. Says so in the title! The DRM stuff is just the implication people are taking from it. Sendou, I'm starting to worry for you
I just wondered about how after this you still came to a conclusion that there still was a possibility you would require internet connection to "register" your games or something. It still requires an internet connection. You won't do anything with the machine without it.
It doesn't matter whether you need internet connection once in the life span of the machine or every 24h. You still require it. It is not "completely" offline friendly. The level of online connection needed isn't even relevant to the point I'm trying to make.