$1.67B is just on phones. The total loss is a staggering $2.1B for the year.
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How well would SCE survive if it were to be spun off?
Where would it get the capital to invest in expensive stuff like tech R&D?
(yeah, I'm pretty fucking naive about this shit)
Thats too bad because they make great smartphones but people rather buy a crappy Samsung or Chinese knock-off it seems.
i think they're doing that - shutting down pc and spinning off tvs. not sure what the fate of smartphones will be after this. they also are getting into real estate.
SCE should be given a large infusion of cash, spun off from the rest of the company and let the sinking ship fall on its own. Why they have to be tied to the titanic like this i'll never know
i would bet almost everyone on neogaf is making more money than sony this year.
Then sell a building or your cell phone.Not me. I had a bad year.
Not me. I had a bad year.
SCE should be given a large infusion of cash, spun off from the rest of the company and let the sinking ship fall on its own. Why they have to be tied to the titanic like this i'll never know
Playstation business is actually the lowest earner of them all, after mobile. Presumably because they are investing a lot in both of them.
It is hard for people to get that because they are #1 in gaming and are turning profit. They are projected to make a lot more money from Camera's, Sound and BD/DVD discs, Semiconductors, Pictures, Music and Financial segments.
That's interesting. So is Vaio gone already?i think they're doing that - shutting down pc and spinning off tvs. not sure what the fate of smartphones will be after this. they also are getting into real estate.
Yeah, I get that. But if it was the fate of the company vs. keeping people in jobs to lose money, I think Sony would choose the former. It would obviously be good if they were able to reallocate them within the company, or with a partner company or something.Lots of people's jobs on the line?
Sony is making more Loss than you, i hope so for you
As far as I understand spin-offs in general, they'd have to cut down to expenditure a whole lot, which means less big budget games and R&D. The slippery slope is the issue there, if you cut down on costs you cut down on mindshare, and then they'll earn even less money.
Their phones barely get carried in America. That's kind of one of the problems.
Are their phones not doing good?
I actually kind of like their phones. The fact they're supposed to be kind of water resistant or water proof sounds kind of nice. I'd love to take a bath or go swimming and still use my tablet.
When I go swimming I sometimes like to spend a couple minutes underwater. It would be kind of neat to use a tablet there.
Or I could have a long relaxing bath and use a tablet there, too.
It sounds like a lot of fun. So I was meaning to try one of the Sony tablets out.
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Are you serious?
Last time I've looked into all of this (~December 2013), Sony has about ~160 billion dollars of assets. Additionally, Sony has ~19 billion dollars cash on-hand.
So they still have stuff to work with for a long time.
thanks. i always thought it was silly when someone would expect them to be gone in just a few short years. seems like that would be more of a magic trick than anything.
The only phones Sony makes that does well are the Z and Z compact lines. Every other phone in their lineup is some low-end or mid-range phone that most people don't want. Sony needs to get out of the low and mid range market for smart phones or at least significantly scale back the number of low-end and mid-range models they release per year.
The only phones Sony makes that does well are the Z and Z compact lines. Every other phone in their lineup is some low-end or mid-range phone that most people don't want. Sony needs to get out of the low and mid range market for smart phones or at least significantly scale back the number of low-end and mid-range models they release per year.
Seems like all Sony can do is lose money. They have so many divisions in different industries yet the still lose money. Smh. Is it really THAT hard to accurately scale your production Sony? How can they continue doing this for so many years? It's truly unbelievable.
The only phones Sony makes that does well are the Z and Z compact lines. Every other phone in their lineup is some low-end or mid-range phone that most people don't want. Sony needs to get out of the low and mid range market for smart phones or at least significantly scale back the number of low-end and mid-range models they release per year.
If Sony itself crashes and burns, they aren't going to be anymore worse for wear was my thought.
SCE i thought was one of the better performing parts of the company, but now i hear its just a money sink, so which is it?
In the last 18 months, Sony has released 4 flagship 5 inch phones. The Xperia Z, Z1, Z2 and Z3.
Samsung has released 2 (S4 and S5) and HTC has released 2 (One M7 & M8).
Thats part of your problem right there.
Playstation should be split off from Sony.
In the last 18 months, Sony has released 4 flagship 5 inch phones. The Xperia Z, Z1, Z2 and Z3.
Samsung has released 2 (S4 and S5) and HTC has released 2 (One M7 & M8).
Thats part of your problem right there.
Samsung has probably released 100 phones and HTC released at least 40 in that time frame. HTC is not making money, probably less than Sony... Samsung is because they sell 6x more phones total.
That's exactly what I've been thinking as well.Sony devalues their brand by releasing so many flagship Z phones in a short period of time,
The do tend to release too many models but Sony's real problem, as with Japan as a whole, is that they don't have enough software talent. They are trying to compete based on hardware.
It is on their book value not on its real value. So in reality, they are not making a loss in the sense that they are losing 'real' money. Probably overpaid for Ericsson' share of SE (and booked it as goodwill) and it is now impaired.
so everything is fine and Sony Corp. in a good shape?
Hmm, I thought Sony's xperia smartphones were popular and sell well. Guess not.
Hmm, I thought Sony's xperia smartphones were popular and sell well. Guess not.
Why don't they drop the businesses that aren't working for them, and focus on the ones that are?
I'm sure it's not that easy, but something along those lines?
If Sony itself crashes and burns, they aren't going to be anymore worse for wear was my thought.
SCE i thought was one of the better performing parts of the company, but now i hear its just a money sink, so which is it?