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This kind of IS the olive branch since they supposedly haven't asked he be charged with anything yet. Well, call this the warning shot.SapientWolf said:This was the time for the olive branch, not the gauntlets.
This kind of IS the olive branch since they supposedly haven't asked he be charged with anything yet. Well, call this the warning shot.SapientWolf said:This was the time for the olive branch, not the gauntlets.
RyanDG said:That's what I thought you were referencing and here's why it's not as cut and dry as you make it.
How is the information derived from testing being used to promote the security? And furthermore, considering releasing the keys has facilitated copyright infringement, how has he met the second clause?
For the research clause to be applicable, both points have to be met, and I'm having a hard time seeing how you are arguing his release of the keys and actions is protected under the DMCA with that understanding. Let me know though if you have an idea, because I'm not seeing it...
shintoki said:And to be honest, I can give you a dozen reasons why PSP failed to move software before I'd list piracy as one.
zoku88 said:hackers do that all of the time. Like when those MIT students were showing off the exploit for the MBTA card system.
The MBTA tried to stop them from doing so, but they failed. They also sued them, but that was dismissed.
Zapages said:when the hackers had a convention on what they did, which was OMG they are begging to get caught type of thing. :lol :lol :lol But who am I to criticize. I would like homebrew like the next person, but I don't want to get banned from PSN and all of its great features.
angelfly said:In what way did his release 1facilitate 2copyright infringement?
zoku88 said:hackers do that all of the time. Like when those MIT students were showing off the exploit for the MBTA card system.
The MBTA tried to stop them from doing so, but they failed. They also sued them, but that was dismissed.
Doesn't meet the first, either.Zoe said:As said in the other thread, he doesn't meet the second criteria.
I'm sure The Sixth Axis would love to tell us the story.Grimmy said:You would of course somehow know more than developers who have said that piracy stopped them from making any more PSP games.
http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2009/10/20/piracy-preventing-further-pixeljunk-on-psp/
He did neither. Backup loaders still do not work what he released. Also if you're talking about the people turning games into PSN packages that is made possible using a program by Team Delight which neither geohot or fail0verflow is affiliated with.Zoe said:1
fa·cil·i·tate/fəˈsiliˌtāt/
Verb: Make (an action or process) easy or easier.
2
Copyright infringement is the unauthorized or prohibited use of works under copyright, infringing the copyright holder's exclusive rights, such as the right to reproduce or perform the copyrighted work, or to make derivative works.
How did his release not facilitate copyright infringement?
sangreal said:They keys don't have anything to do with the DMCA. They are not a copy protection mechanism. Copied software is already signed.
jcm said:Doesn't meet the first, either.
angelfly said:He did neither. Backup loaders still do not work what he released. Also if you're talking about the people turning games into PSN packages that is made possible using a program by Team Delight which neither geohot or fail0verflow is affiliated with.
using the psn package method which is made possible because of a tool released by Team DelightZoe said:Someone in the other thread already got one PS3 game working.
angelfly said:using the psn package method which is made possible because of a tool released by Team Delight
shintoki said:Poor multi-millionaire corporation, who decide it's better to limit functionality for paying users. In hopes that it deters piracy, which will come one way or another regardless of what they do.
And to be honest, I can give you a dozen reasons why PSP failed to move software before I'd list piracy as one.
Truespeed said:You really have to wonder if any of those lawyers thought twice about placing their names in those documents.
Zoe said:His work facilitated allowing that program to run on 3.55.
SapientWolf said:Probably just the opposite. Nerds don't have a very high tolerance for bullies.
The FAIL0VERFLOW Defendants intentionally circumvented SCEAs TPMs, accessed
the PS3 System and trafficked in Circumvention Devices and SCEAs proprietary information,
with full knowledge that their unlawful conduct would irreparably harm SCEA. Indeed, five
days prior to appearing at the Chaos Conference, Bushing echoed a fellow hackers
comment anticipating this irreparable harm: Last chance to sell any Sony stock you may
have.
Even the FAIL0VERFLOW Defendants, when interviewed,
admitted that they expect Mr. Hotzs conduct to make piracy easier without accomplishing
anything intrinsically useful.
Well, IF they win anyone that tries this stuff again will get into deep shit.Elios83 said:In my opinion Sony's goal is clear, they want to scare to death those people (and other hackers like them) whose life will be inevitably ruined for a while with legal troubles (not that they didn't asked for it....) so that there won't be future developments in PS3 piracy while they close the current hole issuing new software and hardware.
Zombie James said:Just finished reading that document, and I think things are going to get very, very messy for all involved. Comments like these...
...might come back to bite failoverflow/geohot if this ever goes to trial.
phosphor112 said:Well, IF they win anyone that tries this stuff again will get into deep shit.
Wow if you don't realize the horrible slippery slope that presents, I'm not sure what to say.Zoe said:Someone in the other thread already got one PS3 game working. His work facilitated in allowing that program to run on 3.55.
RyanDG said:Yes. And even though there are few quoted laws that are definitely done in a poor (or ill-advised manner) -- the Computer Abuse act for one is laughable in its inclusion -- this is definitely not as cut and dry as people are making it out to be (ie, protected by DMCA exemptions!). Sony's temporary restraining order is actually rather solid overall in terms of what they've addressed and how they've addressed it.
This case is going to have a ton of repercussions if it goes to trial, not just for this generation - but future generations of console homebrew as well.
No, they'll just convince them to stay anonymous. fail0verflow as well as geohot were doing interviews on BBC. And geohot himself has been on TV before discussing his iphone hacking. compare that to darkalex on the PSP.phosphor112 said:Well, IF they win anyone that tries this stuff again will get into deep shit.
You have the right to do what you want with a piece of equipment you pay for.Omiee said:wtf is this, people seem to think geohot and who ever has all the right in the world to hack a console.
why is sony a bully when they are just looking out for their investment and trying to secure future investments from other publishers. An investment that would be lost if piracy and more things become something big on the ps3.
Raistlin said:Wow if you don't realize the horrible slippery slope that presents, I'm not sure what to say.
Since I can find the keys via a Google search, I suppose they are liable too.
BrokenEchelon said:It's cute that this is the best they could think of to do.
angelfly said:No, they'll just convince them to stay anonymous. fail0verflow as well as geohot were doing interviews on BBC. And geohot himself has been on TV before discussing his iphone hacking. compare that to darkalex on the PSP.
You have the right to do what you want with a piece of equipment you pay for.
angelfly said:No, they'll just convince them to stay anonymous. fail0verflow as well as geohot were doing interviews on BBC. And geohot himself has been on TV before discussing his iphone hacking. compare that to darkalex on the PSP.
Vamphuntr said:With the money Sony is paying them I would probably sell my soul too.
captmcblack said:Sony is going to unleash a torrent of ownage unto itself the likes of which have never been seen in the garage dev universe.
They clearly didn't learn last time.
The Internet will collectively make sure they learn this time.
The Crimson Kid said:Wasn't George Hotz the guy who originally warned Sony about possible vulnerabilities in security by using OtherOS, thus prompting Sony to eventually remove it?
Source: http://twitter.com/fail0verflow/status/20465412542042112fail0verflow said:Myth: Geohot -> Sony pulls OtherOS -> JB -> Fail. Fact: Slim had no OtherOS -> Geohot -> ... . Geohot started his work due to the Slim.
Hex said:Oh for fuck sake
He only released a patch and as for the keys you can't get in trouble for calculating keys.Omiee said:thats not what he did, he released keys and CFW on the net i think that would enable people to pirate games etc.
Vamphuntr said:Really? How much do you think they get to defend a big corporation like that? Pretty sure it's big bucks. I'm honest, I would do it for the $$$
mattiewheels said:I guess this means Sony's not offering him a job, huh?
BrokenEchelon said:That's what I'm getting at.
Did none of them see what happened after Julian Assange got arrested?
Still ignoring the slippery slope I see.Zoe said:The simple fact is geohot put himself at a huge risk by not only being the first to release a new CFW but also being incredibly vocal about it.
BrokenEchelon said:That's what I'm getting at.
Did none of them see what happened after Julian Assange got arrested?