Entryhazard
Banned
After the Gamecube controller, anything without the left analog on the upper side of the gamepad is awkward as fuck for me. I don't mind the positioning of the right stick though
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Sony tested Xbox stick layout for DualShock 4
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They have been made before but the build quality is questionable.
Less that, more "half our potential market is used to our way, half our market is used to our competitor's way, neither one is a clear win in testing. Let's stick with ours and keep our loyal customers happy."
DanielJr82
Member
I think they should still release a version with both sticks on top. I never could get into shooters on the Playstation precisely because of the controller; not just the sticks, the triggers are lacking as well.
Your wish is MadCatz command.
http://www.amazon.com/Offically-Licensed-Circuit-Controller-Playstation-3/dp/B0063BCQ20
I'm not trying to argue, but for me, it's not. I can 100% tell you that the SOLE reason I don't like Playstation controllers is because of the stick placement. It doesn't matter what they've done otherwise, if the sticks are the same, then I'll prefer the X1 controller. Like I said above, I mainly play shooters and I just can't get use to the stick layout on the Playstation. I'll give it a fair shake when I get my PS4 at launch of course, but I just don't see anything changing.
Nothing's being changed. Just switched. It's as easy as flipping a switch, these things.
I have both systems and cod for each. this is not true.
You do know that the circuit board would have to change, it isn't some simple switch.
DanielJr82
Member
How are they better though? They still look awkwardly placed to me.
The shoulder buttons feel more like triggers than the L2/R2 buttons. But I won't know until I hold it, honestly.
But Angry Joe said things can just be changed. Just like that.
But seriously, it's not that simple. At least not without first seeing the inside of the DS4.
How are they better though? They still look awkwardly placed to me.
The shoulder buttons feel more like triggers than the L2/R2 buttons. But I won't know until I hold it, honestly.
Because that is the word on the street from game people and real people. Plus concave > convex.
Hazelhurst
Member
Thanks for keeping it symmetrical Sony.
AuthenticM
Member
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but you know what ? They could do both. Why not offer the asymmetrical dualshock in limited quantities to gauge interest ? If it sells, wouldn't it be a profit deal ?
Comfort = preferences. The PS4's design is some people's preference, and others don't like it.
You can't make a universally comfortable controller. It has to appeal to all senses.
Haunted
Member
Yep, surprised they flat-out admitted that "tradition" and consistency with "the Playstation look" won out over usability.
A poor choice.
Mushroomer25
Member
I don't see why they just didn't just offer a second option. Some people like symettrical sticks. Others like asymmetrical. Why is this a one-or-the-other issue?
Hitokiri03
Member
I never had any issue with DS3 or 360 controller, besides the L2 and R2 buttons, which are awful.
1. What? Realistically comfortable controller?
2. How does your controller of preference taste?
DanielJr82
Member
I can see the convex style working, but the point I'm trying to make is because of the position of the sticks, it doesn't lend the R2/L2 buttons to a natural feel for shooters. If I'm playing shooters on the PS I'd rather use the R1/L1 buttons instead of the R2/L2, those have a more natural "trigger" feel.
Or am I alone in this??!!
*Cricket*
Haunted
Member
"For the triggers, we did test having the triggers not be shit, since the Xbox has good ones," Sony's Toshimasa Aoki said. "Especially from the shooter teams--we got feedback that that's what they wanted. They knew that consumers liked the 360 for shooters."
Ultimately, "tradition" was what won out at Sony, with Aoki saying shitty triggers are part of the company's DNA. "The prototype team, myself, and also the management team really felt that having this shit feel is the PlayStation feel, and we had to keep that."
1. Wrong term. Meant to use 'universally.'
2. Well, I'd like it if it tasted like cheese.
qa_engineer
Member
Nice. Not sure about madcatz build quality. One would assume at that price it better be built like a tank.
velociraptor
Junior Member
They didn't. The actual quote:
sounds like both were received well, they simply chose one.
I'm definitely with you on L1/R1 for shooters, but only because the response is more instantaneous. I switched the standard setup (L2/R2) in Max Payne 3 to L1/R1 and almost immediately started doing better.
i agree, should make a official asymmetric pad for consumer to choose!
The throw is supposedly pretty small, so it probably won't be a huge issue if games are defaulted to the triggers. I'm with you on digital buttons > triggers for everything other than driving.
Nowhere Man
Member
The right choice.
ThisWreckage
Banned
It makes absolutely no difference where the sticks are to me, to be perfectly honest. I think that they made the DS4 wholly unique on top of making it recognizable. I think that should be applauded.
The preference is for a comfortable controller. Stick position is not relevant to that comfort. A properly ergonomic controller will be comfortable regardless of the stick position.
I understand why people would get confused and assume the stick position was the cause of the DS3's issues. I thought the same for quite a while.
unholyrevenger72
Banned
It's freaking hilarious how i feel much more comfortable shooting from a vehicle than on foot in Sleeping Dogs.
A FPS controller would have both sticks at the top. Someone made one for the Xbox years ago. Valve is doing this with their controller.
The Dual Shock was designed at a time when the D-Pad was still the primary means of player control. That's simply not the case anymore.
Xbox's layout naturally puts your hands on the analog stick and the face buttons. PlayStation's puts you on the D-Pad and buttons. It's pretty obvious to me which is preferable.
Zatoichi's Cane
Member
I think whoever doubts the DS4 (as I used to) due to it's symmetrical placement of the thumb sticks should watch Sessler's video where he talks about the very subject and how the controller redesign has completely negated the need for an asymmetrical design. Also, I have yet to find a negative impression on the DS4, with a lot of people actually preferring it to the xbone controller.
Quite frankly, I don't care where the sticks are as long as it works. I used to however subscribe to the idea that the DS3 design just wouldn't work unless the thumb sticks were moved. I was wrong.
Quite frankly, I don't care where the sticks are as long as it works. I used to however subscribe to the idea that the DS3 design just wouldn't work unless the thumb sticks were moved. I was wrong.
Chinpoko_Master
Member
I prefer a symmetrical stick layout, but I realize that stick layout makes virtually no difference. It's just a preference.
ProfessorMoran
Member
Glad they kept it symmetrical because people aren't assymmetrical it's not like people have one arm at the bottom and one leg on top.