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Sony's Jim Ryan : Giving away stuff on day one its kind of odd.
- Thread starter Nightengale
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Kinda a Sony fanboy so making him sound salty wasn't my intention at all.
The Destiny exclusive content is timed? Thanks for saving me $399! I was seriously considering buying the PS4 for that game, but since there's genuinely nothing else on that console that I want... I'll just keep my money. Maybe Naughty Dog will sway me as long as they don't ruin Uncharted with some uninspired adventure and send Drake looking for Atlantis. You're better than that, ND.
kidhero1000
Banned
As a big PlayStation supporter, FuturLab has already brought some games to PlayStation Minis, PlayStation Mobile, PlayStation Vita, and theyll be doing a dual release when Velocity 2X comes to the PlayStation 4 and PlayStation Vita.
Back when Velocitu Ultra and Coconut Dodge: Revitalised launched on the Vita in Europe, they were both offered for free as part of the PlayStation Plus Instant Game Collection. Explaining to GI.Biz how Sony approaches developers and publishers to put their games free in the PS+ Instant Game Collection (which was partially explained to PSLS by Red Barrels Games) is Kirsty Rigden, Lead Game Designer at FuturLab:
They come to you with a deal. They say, well give you this much money if we can have the game for free, or exclusive, or money off, or a combination. There are a lot of different ways you can do it. The amount of money that theyll suggest will be relevant to the package.
James Marsden, Managing Director at FuturLab, added:
They call it a guaranteed sales buyout. Its like looking at guaranteed downloads you discuss a deal up front and decide if its worth it. For us it was less about money and more about exposure, especially with a sequel coming.
Rigden then mentioned how the Minis title [Ed. she is likely referencing when Velocity was free on PS+ a ways back] was over 120,000 downloads. We dont know if all those people played it, or if theyd have bought it otherwise, but we do at least know that they all know it exists, which is amazing. Im not sure what figures we would have done without it. We get a chunk of cash, thats nice, thank you, but so many people get to know about us and play our games. Its the ultimate demo, really. Were very much looking at things long term, not just looking to make a quick buck on sales.
Back when Velocitu Ultra and Coconut Dodge: Revitalised launched on the Vita in Europe, they were both offered for free as part of the PlayStation Plus Instant Game Collection. Explaining to GI.Biz how Sony approaches developers and publishers to put their games free in the PS+ Instant Game Collection (which was partially explained to PSLS by Red Barrels Games) is Kirsty Rigden, Lead Game Designer at FuturLab:
They come to you with a deal. They say, well give you this much money if we can have the game for free, or exclusive, or money off, or a combination. There are a lot of different ways you can do it. The amount of money that theyll suggest will be relevant to the package.
James Marsden, Managing Director at FuturLab, added:
They call it a guaranteed sales buyout. Its like looking at guaranteed downloads you discuss a deal up front and decide if its worth it. For us it was less about money and more about exposure, especially with a sequel coming.
Rigden then mentioned how the Minis title [Ed. she is likely referencing when Velocity was free on PS+ a ways back] was over 120,000 downloads. We dont know if all those people played it, or if theyd have bought it otherwise, but we do at least know that they all know it exists, which is amazing. Im not sure what figures we would have done without it. We get a chunk of cash, thats nice, thank you, but so many people get to know about us and play our games. Its the ultimate demo, really. Were very much looking at things long term, not just looking to make a quick buck on sales.
NoirVisage
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I felt the same way, seriously, whats his deal. I'm not being hyperbolic when i say this is near Mattrick levels of obliviousness.
boredandlazy
Member
Uh, yes you are. Actually think about some of the golden quotes Mattrick gave us for a second. Mattrick was the new 'Krazy Ken'.
DidntKnowJack
Member
Oh Jesus.
boredandlazy
Member
Yet another one misses the point completely...
Apeopleman
Member
When you start defending PR people you miss the point.
This is competition. Competition is good.
Winterfang
Banned
What's the point exactly? It seems obvious this was a jab a Microsoft, except there's nothing wrong with giving away a free game at launch.
I see it as not much difference when Sony went all out following the hacking fiasco. MS is trying to curry favour with potentially scorned customers. The FIFA pack-in is a smart move.
pretty sure that gif is backwards.
Microsoft has changed their policies with the system but fact is, most people only know of the xbox one as that system that tried to screw gamers. It was shown on national television.
Most people don't follow gaming news, so when the system does launch, microsoft better prepare some serious advertisement saying just what changed since E3.
From talking to people around me, most know a XB1 and PS4 are coming and thats about it. Nothing on policies, DRM and all that. They only know its coming because of the ads on their current systems.
If the system launched then they did a 180 it would be different. As it stands your average consumer wont know or care. Bank on it.
Two reasons i can think of why MS is doing this:
1) Competition and mindshare from the region. Europe is Sonyland so getting at least a portion of that pie and letting a few people spread the good word about their platform should at least boost adoption rate of the console.
2) If they are entering a market with a hardware of 499 Euros/USD, I believe they are not initially selling at a loss. They are sacrificing some of their profit by having a free pack-in game for Europe in exchange of market potential. Remember that 499USD != 499EUR. A common business tactic but strange indeed as a next-gen console should be guaranteed to sell out on launch.
Sony should also be able to do this but I believe they are confident in the value they are delivering for $399/399EUR and they want to maximize profits.
I believe Sony does not need to match MS but they need to justify to early adopters or console "shifters" that they made the right choice choosing their platform. A 1-2 month PS+ freebie is a win-win situation for Sony as it will prove to early adopters they can at least match MS' infrastructure (if they can deliver) and entice new customers to possibly extending their subscription.
We'll eventually see how this pans out.
1) Competition and mindshare from the region. Europe is Sonyland so getting at least a portion of that pie and letting a few people spread the good word about their platform should at least boost adoption rate of the console.
2) If they are entering a market with a hardware of 499 Euros/USD, I believe they are not initially selling at a loss. They are sacrificing some of their profit by having a free pack-in game for Europe in exchange of market potential. Remember that 499USD != 499EUR. A common business tactic but strange indeed as a next-gen console should be guaranteed to sell out on launch.
Sony should also be able to do this but I believe they are confident in the value they are delivering for $399/399EUR and they want to maximize profits.
I believe Sony does not need to match MS but they need to justify to early adopters or console "shifters" that they made the right choice choosing their platform. A 1-2 month PS+ freebie is a win-win situation for Sony as it will prove to early adopters they can at least match MS' infrastructure (if they can deliver) and entice new customers to possibly extending their subscription.
We'll eventually see how this pans out.
Doug Heffernan
Member
haha Wow, this gif is perfect!
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