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Spanish retailer lists Zelda: Majora's Mask 3DS
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I agree, it would be far too soon for something like that, but I would like a console OoT at some point.
Having a handheld OoT never really made too much sense, tbh.
Ocarina of Time 3D feels more like an "enhanced port" than a remake.
I expect the same from Majora's Mask.
Holy Order Sol
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but middle grounds don't exist
Valjean Lafitte
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If you held the graphics under closer scrutiny I think you'd find, besides Link, every other character game is the exact same model with a smoothness filter added to their face and extra polygons on everything but their hands. I think these would look more akin to Smash Bros. Brawl trophies if they were new models made from scratch.
Ropes are still 2D.
Tree stump is still fugly.
I'm not saying they Grezzo didn't do what they could, I'm saying Nintendo themselves could have done even better and shouldn't have outsourced this project to begin with. 3DS is capable of much nicer graphics as we've seen with Kid Icarus: Uprising.
And again, none of that makes this a remake. Just a port with prettier graphics and stereoscopic 3D. The definitive version of OoT? Sure. But a game as legendary as OoT still deserved much better, in my opinion, and above all else there was not and still is not a good excuse for the game looking better but sounding like 15 year old MIDI crap.
Why would you do that?
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by "complete remake" I'm almost positive that poster meant starting from scratch. It appears that the code was ported from N64 to 3DS, so, having not started from scratch, it's not a "complete remake."
The game has changed enough that it can be considered a remake, though. At least in my opinion. I can see why others would disagree, though.
Sigh..
OoT is a port. It added a boss challenge mode and nothing to significantly enhance the gameplay or add more replay value. No matter how much you think they improved the graphics (FYI, they added polygons to the old models and didn't create new ones from scratch) or the sound (they literally did nothing but sequence the music so it sounded exactly like the original, crappy N64 music), it ultimately was the exact same game with a couple of minor tweaks to how items are equipped. Oh, and breathtaking, gameplay-enhancing 3D. Joy.
If you honestly think their aim with OoT 3D was to remake the game from the ground up and improve upon in it substantial ways, I can give you Ask Iwata quotes that show otherwise.
This is a remake:
Thought at first glance it looks the same game as the NES version of Super Mario Bros., play the game even for a few minutes and you can see that the programmers dug into the original code of the game, fixed many of its flaws, and added new gameplay features. It wasn't rebuilt from scratch, but it was improved so much that it stands on its own as a new version, not port, of the game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LrtclTHU4M
THAT is what Nintendo is capable of when they set out to properly remake something. OoT was kind of lazy.
Woah, I had no idea how much went into SMB-Deluxe. Truly thought it was just a port.
The dude's delivery in that video review is fucking amazing. "You might even call it....deluxe."
there's no right or wrong way to code things. there's limitless possibilities. usually when two separate groups of people code things, you write the code differently (certain sequences take priority over other ones), which causes a different set of problems. glitches don't happen on purpose.
OoT 3DS is great. Whatever technical work lies behind the updated graphics it looks great - within the boundaries of what thy were doing - polishing up the game - the level of visuals fit very well with what could be conceived as a relatively sparse looking game if contrasted with visuals that are too altered. Looks very good and crisp now - not up to 3DS best by any stretch, but fitting. It runs smoother, controls better, gives you a better UI - simply makes a classic playable in a modern way. It's not a radical remake but it's one that facilitated one of my most enjoyable playthroughs of a Zelda ever and put away feelings of OoT being outdated.
Having said that I don't have much interested in a Majora remake / port. If they do continue outsourcing older game ports for easy software library additions I'd hope we'd get Metroid Prime instead.
Having said that I don't have much interested in a Majora remake / port. If they do continue outsourcing older game ports for easy software library additions I'd hope we'd get Metroid Prime instead.
This. This. A million times this.
You just can't call this a "remake", when we have things like REmake as perfect definitions.
ElectricKaibutsu
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For a handheld release, OoT3D was fine. I would expect much more work to go into a console remake though.
goldenpp72
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How is OOT on the 3ds any more of a remake than the Ps3 HD collections and such? I beat the whole game and the minor updates barely compare to something like REmake. If it's a remake it was a piss poor one, but it's a good port.
That's what Wind Waker HD is for.
Awwwwww yeeeeeeeeeah! *shades*
I'm so psyched for that game. Been playing through it again on GC in anticipation
ElectricKaibutsu
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My thoughts exactly.
You can't do all the glitches the same way as you can in the original OoT. Infinite sword glitch has to be triggered via a completely different method, for example. So yes, it's the same engine but they did attempt to fix some of the famous glitches found by speedrunners; while at the same time new ones were introduced because of their fixes and/or additions to the game (such as being able to use Farore's Wind anywhere).
Apparently they fixed a few bad glitches but kept fun ones in because they are fun.
Do the HD collections redo character models or design new geometry etc?
OOT wasn't exactly a complete overhaul, but there were afew visual upgrades throughout the game. Added details that definitely weren't there before. And tweaked some design elements like in the Water Temple.
Also, they made the boots into an item and not equipment.
Yep.If you held the graphics under closer scrutiny I think you'd find, besides Link, every other character game is the exact same model with a smoothness filter added to their face and extra polygons on everything but their hands. I think these would look more akin to Smash Bros. Brawl trophies if they were new models made from scratch.
Ropes are still 2D.
Tree stump is still fugly.
I'm not saying they Grezzo didn't do what they could, I'm saying Nintendo themselves could have done even better and shouldn't have outsourced this project to begin with. 3DS is capable of much nicer graphics as we've seen with Kid Icarus: Uprising.
And again, none of that makes this a remake. Just a port with prettier graphics and stereoscopic 3D. The definitive version of OoT? Sure. But a game as legendary as OoT still deserved much better, in my opinion, and above all else there was not and still is not a good excuse for the game looking better but sounding like 15 year old MIDI crap.
That's exactly how I feel too.
OoT 3D looked like a N64 game running in enhanced mode, I expect a remake to look a lot better than this.
I also expect a remake to improve upon the original.
They could have added new locations, a more sophisticated battle-system, make the overworld less barren etc.
I mean, don't get me wrong, Ocarina of Time was absolutely phenomenal back in 1998 and it's still a really great game.
But a remake of an old game (let alone a game as legendary as OoT) could, and should, have been so much more than just an enhanced port.
The Hermit
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I wasn't supposed to get hyped for tomorrow... fuck.
For some reason, I believe them.
#teamreal
For some reason, I believe them.
#teamreal
Colonel Mustard
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Ocarina of Time 3D always seemed like an alternate dimension where OoT was made for the Dreamcast instead of the N64.
Banjotanooki
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The fact that this thread is still going and not locked yet makes me think there's hope for a MM announcement tomorrow. ^___^
I personally liked the way they handled the OoT 3D portmake. There could have been a bit more content but I feel that if they would go through the trouble of adding more gameplay systems and completely over-hauling the visuals, then they might as well just make a new Zelda game.
There's only so much you can change before OoT stops being OoT. #teamnostalgiagoggles
There's only so much you can change before OoT stops being OoT. #teamnostalgiagoggles
Nintendo to follow Enix's plan of business.
Sigh..
OoT is a port. It added a boss challenge mode and nothing to significantly enhance the gameplay or add more replay value. No matter how much you think they improved the graphics (FYI, they added polygons to the old models and didn't create new ones from scratch) or the sound (they literally did nothing but sequence the music so it sounded exactly like the original, crappy N64 music), it ultimately was the exact same game with a couple of minor tweaks to how items are equipped. Oh, and breathtaking, gameplay-enhancing 3D. Joy.
If you honestly think their aim with OoT 3D was to remake the game from the ground up and improve upon in it substantial ways, I can give you Ask Iwata quotes that show otherwise.
This is a remake:
Thought at first glance it looks the same game as the NES version of Super Mario Bros., play the game even for a few minutes and you can see that the programmers dug into the original code of the game, fixed many of its flaws, and added new gameplay features. It wasn't rebuilt from scratch, but it was improved so much that it stands on its own as a new version, not port, of the game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LrtclTHU4M
THAT is what Nintendo is capable of when they set out to properly remake something. OoT was kind of lazy.
My first Nintendo game, along with Pokemon. And it truly is perfect. Every now and then I will boot my Colour to play 5 mins. Although The Lost Levels is gimped slightly (wind mechanics , no A, B, C, D worlds), when I first found about it I literally was like WTF.
ViewtifulJC
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This is a remake:
Thought at first glance it looks the same game as the NES version of Super Mario Bros., play the game even for a few minutes and you can see that the programmers dug into the original code of the game, fixed many of its flaws, and added new gameplay features. It wasn't rebuilt from scratch, but it was improved so much that it stands on its own as a new version, not port, of the game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LrtclTHU4M
THAT is what Nintendo is capable of when they set out to properly remake something. OoT was kind of lazy.
This was my first exposure to SMB1, and I enjoyed it at the time, but my God that screen size is just as I feared, lol.
Those Boo racing levels were awesome, though
That's the one where Boo changes colors after you win a few times right?
MvmntInGrn
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It would be nice if this was real and if it isn't now it will be someday. The result would only ever be a big disappointment to me after WW was chosen for a remake though. Still wouldn't mind a portable MM but I would be happy with a straight VC version so I can keep dreaming of a real remake in 6-12 years.
OOT 3D was solid. I don't like Links new model, they could have done a better job touching up environments with poor texture variety, and the colors look much too saturated but its OOT still. I prefer to play the original cart.
OOT 3D was solid. I don't like Links new model, they could have done a better job touching up environments with poor texture variety, and the colors look much too saturated but its OOT still. I prefer to play the original cart.
ThatsMytrunks
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If you held the graphics under closer scrutiny I think you'd find, besides Link, every other character game is the exact same model with a smoothness filter added to their face and extra polygons on everything but their hands. I think these would look more akin to Smash Bros. Brawl trophies if they were new models made from scratch.
Ropes are still 2D.
Are you insane?
Darkangel
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Ocarina of Time 3D feels more like a remastering than a full remake. It still looks great, especially in 3D at 30fps, but it clearly wasn't given the Conker Live and Reloaded treatment.
I was actually just thinking that.
I was actually just thinking that.
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
It is probably a fair question. Considering they are mindbogglingly obviously not the same models.
To drive the point home, a quick googling yields:
mugurumakensei
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Saria's hair has more polygons and much higher resolution textures. Her clothes also are more detailed and have higher resolution textures. The same goes for Link's model.
It should also be noted brand new models had to be created for all the buildings in Hyrule town since it was previously pre-rendered.
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
That explains the hideously low-poly hands the two models have in common!
My original, "insane" statement:
See the Saria screenshot and the Zelda screenshot posted earlier. If you can't tell just from the piss-poor attention to details such as fingers that they just took the original N64 models and added more geometry to what was already there, I don't know what to tell you. In Darunia's case its more the textures making the model look better than extra polys, though obviously they did touch his "hair" and "beard" up a bit. It looks better, but its obvious to me that these are not entirely new models as they don't approach the quality of these characters' models in Brawl or in some cases Melee for that matter. The transformation isn't so dramatic as say, Mario's from Super Mario 64 to SM64DS because that game did quite obviously utilize a brand new Mario model.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
Darunia's hands are not the same. "Sorry." And they did not just touch up his "hair" and "beard," look at his fucking legs and stomach. Come on man. You can make a lot of arguments for OOT using very similar assets in parts of its environments, but the character models are obviously where the bulk of the effort went into the game. I think the new models look amazing, and a lot of that is because clear effort has been made to be faithful to the original game. You're right, these are not Melee or Brawl style models, they are not "artistically new" models, these are models that attempt to be completely faithful to the original game's art. They look similar on purpose, just like how the music was literally completely remade, and yet all of the effort went into reproducing it as it originally was. This is not a remake of OOT, this IS OOT. It is the same game, as if they made it for a more capable system from the start. That's why I think it succeeds so much. It sacrifices virtually none of the original's charm. It replaces it utterly, rather than standing aside as an alternate interpretation. I'd expect the same from a 3DS Majora's Mask, and I expect the exact same philosophy for the Wind Waker on the Wu.
Lucent
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First time I've seen this thread title. Wee'd a little with excitement and then read the OP update.
LOL! That gif.
ThatsMytrunks
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Dude, while they may still look like shit, they're new hand models. There's clearly more polygons, but probably not too many as to not have to reanimate/rerig the existing animations.
vagabondarts
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my mind boggles at the OOT3D hate. One of the best remakes I've ever played.
In interviews the team clearly were after recreating it to match your memories of what the experience was like. They even wrote an algorithm to simulate the N64 sound processor.
(from the OOT3D Iwata Asks I think)
Sounds like they did a great job going by the responses of people... I invite some of you to go back and actually play the original OOT.
It was ugly when it came out in 98. Now? It's absolutely horrid.
Also, Majora's Mask may be a fanboy favorite, but I much prefer the regular Zelda games.
Hope this isn't what they've been spending their time on.
In interviews the team clearly were after recreating it to match your memories of what the experience was like. They even wrote an algorithm to simulate the N64 sound processor.
(from the OOT3D Iwata Asks I think)
Sounds like they did a great job going by the responses of people... I invite some of you to go back and actually play the original OOT.
It was ugly when it came out in 98. Now? It's absolutely horrid.
Also, Majora's Mask may be a fanboy favorite, but I much prefer the regular Zelda games.
Hope this isn't what they've been spending their time on.
everyday math
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I was so hyped going into this hread.
Then I read the OP.
Then I read the OP.
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