Ugh stop using Judgement as a bench mark. Was Halo on a downwards trajectory after ODST? What about GT after Prologue? Forza after Horizons?
Consumers know the difference between mainline and not mainline.
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Spencer: Black Tusk E3 '13 teaser was "a concept piece", not a in-dev game
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Ugh stop using Judgement as a bench mark. Was Halo on a downwards trajectory after ODST? What about GT after Prologue? Forza after Horizons?
Consumers know the difference between mainline and not mainline.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Too bad we don't have Spencer's full quote. I wonder what he really said.
Pretty much.
Also- you can differentiate between the savviness of the decision and one's personal thoughts on the move. You can hate the decision and still think its smart business.
SuperSonic1305
Member
Hey guys we're cancelling your new ip. You will make Gears games for life. Enjoy.
Rare'd.
Rare'd.
SwiftDeath
Member
Very true. I think buying the rights to gears was a great business move for MS. I do wonder however if repurposing Black Tusk was the correct move. Was there really no other MS studio suitable to produce the next gears game? Could they not whip another one up much like they did with Black tusk originally?
Lol if there's even any of the original rare team there I'm sure they'd prefer working on gears to the next kinect sports game
I honestly don't even know about that anymore
Doesn't sound like MS is simply shelving it until gears 4 is ready
All right I don't know how to feel anymore gaf!
You could say that BT's new IP had a.....
SwiftDeath.
That. Means. It's. Cancelled.Hmm..
Just because they are acknowledging it, doesn't mean it's still on. If the unlikely happens, and they don't turn Black Tusk into a Gears developer we'll get another update in no sooner than 3 years from now. Give it up.
What is this? 9gag?
Yeah, that's probably a better perspective. Gears IP, whatever you think of it, probably valuable enough to give another go but giving the job to Black Tusk who were possibly making a new IP with great industry experience is up for discussion.
never played an infamous game. I guess I'll dial my expectations back.
Backfoggen
Banned
RIP. Fuckin Gears.
mysteriousmage09
Member
Not surprised from the Cboat and Twitter statements one bit. MS has no faith in making new IPs within their own studios.
Sorry for Black Tusk.
Sorry for Black Tusk.
I don't think they'll make Gears games for life. If you look at their site it says "Current project: Gears of War"
If they were going to be the new Gears creator ala 343 with Halo then I think the Gears branding would be a bit more prevalent.
D
Deleted member 80556
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Regardless of one's opinion on Gears, these are bad news.
Cancelling a new IP for an old one is just bad.
;(
That makes me sad!
I wouldn't be able to play it, but it's still sad.
New IP for a new studio would have been great.
Acquiescence
Member
Halo, fair enough. Prologue, not the best example, considering it wasn't even a full product but more a sample of what was to come. Who in their right mind would expect its sales to match those of the numbered titles? As for Forza Motorsport 5, looking past the fact that it's both a launch and bundled title for a successful console (even Killzone and Knack can sell well courtesy of a hot new system), are there any solid figures for it yet from dependable sources?
Didn't stop something like Grand Theft Auto: Vice City or Call of Duty: World at War selling just as much as their mainline predecessors.
Bummer.
graywolf323
Member
damn they were making a spy game? that would have been awesome 
Neutralfanboy
Banned
I think finishing up the new IP and then doing Gears would be much smarter but at least it sounds like the new IP will eventually come out.
Neuromancer
Member
They got Sledgehammered.
Zombie James
Banned
I forgot about that E3 teaser, it still looks intriguing. I feel bad for the Black Tusk guys
Triggerhappytel
Member
It could be worse - they could *actually* be making Kinect games! Dodged a bullet there, lucky buggers.
Uno Venova
Banned
Seriously, it's such a shitty move, instead of making their own way with a new franchise, they need to pick up the legacy of an established one, which didn't work out for PCF or 343.I forgot about that E3 teaser, it still looks intriguing. I feel bad for the Black Tusk guys
:/ Feels bad
They still might be. Victoria was a Kinect research studio wasn't it.
Fuck you're right...
Miles Quaritch
Member
I assume by spy you mean stealth, but the idea of there being a legit spy game is a mouth watering prospect and just makes me more angry it was shelved in favour of Gears.
You really think so? I think consumers lose track pretty quickly once a series starts using subtitles rather than numbers.
If you ask they average consumer if Call of Duty Ghosts was a "mainline" sequel, what would (s)he answer? What if you asked about GTA: San Andreas? Or Halo Reach.
No, nothing implied that. But Black Tusk was once supposed to make a hardcore Kinect.
Officerrob
Banned
Motherfucker. I understand buying Gears and all that but BT was apparently well into development on this and I can't help but be disappointed
I remember hearing Victoria was much more of a research studio than actual game development.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I forgot about that E3 teaser, it still looks intriguing. I feel bad for the Black Tusk guys
Heartbreaking we'll never get to play this...
I also can't help but wonder how they feel? They were promised some level of freedom to work on a new IP and now they've been lumbered with working on an IP that's now past its prime.
SEGAvangelist
Member
CoD is a yearly franchise and San Andreas and Reach where made by the original dev teams. Gears was a side-story and developed by PCF. Very different.
There's a difference between how those games were marketed, and how Gears of War: Judgement was marketed. The latter had a fraction of the marketing campaign that its predecessors had.
Neuromancer
Member
Maybe they can rework that sequence into a new Gears game. Just get rid of the colorful vibrant city and replace it with gray crumbled plaster buildings; switch out the spy and the enemy soldier for a hulking burly space marine and a lizard man; turn the futuristic pistol into a chainsaw rifle. It practically makes itself.
Officerrob
Banned
Spin-offs effect each series differently. COD and GTA were able to get away with it, Gears of War and God of War couldn't. Do you think Sony is going to abandon God of War? Me neither
fastford58
Member
Seriously. What the fuck.
As much as I like Gears, I hope MS wouldn't shit-can a whole exclusive to give us more of the same.
Boy am I glad that project is done for. The gun trigger is moving by itself before the finger moves.
TBH Spencer saying that what we saw at E3 was never a game and Black Tusk stating that they were working on a game at the time of E3 don't contradict themselfs. Both could be true.
I would had loved for this to be a game.
TheOctodad
Member
Boy am I glad that project is done for. The gun trigger is moving by itself before the finger moves.
TBH Spencer saying that what we saw at E3 was never a game and Black Tusk stating that they were working on a game at the time of E3 don't contradict themselfs. Both could be true.
Did you read CBOAT's post?
SEGAvangelist
Member
I feel MS pretty much had to do this. Either let Gears go multiplatform or snap up the franchise. Since they spent so much money, they need a quick return on the investment. Building a brand new team would take much longer than putting Black Tusk right on it. Hopefully MS invests more into BT so the other game can come out, though.