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Spotify |OT| All the music, all the time
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Yeah, that's essentially what bands do, even if services like Bandcamp are allowing bands to self-release and keep the money themselves. It was still a little shocking to me that they make roughly 1/5th of a cent on a stream. Of course I'm of the opinion that it just promotes the band, gets people to buy the albums and see them live and whatnot, so I don't see it as bad for musicians.CzarTim said:
Squall ASF
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Appreciate the other comments about discovering artists, sharing, etc. For you music white knights, calm down. I didn't say I pirate, I wanted to know what services Spotify provides that downloading doesn't. I've heard Spotify raved by friends and the internet and just wanted to know what services gave it that reputation because so many people torrent so I was curious how this will rival that. I'm not adverse to downloading though, I just don't bother. I buy my favorite artist's albums and can get whatever else from friends. BTW, you support artists far more by going to concerts. Again, thank you to those who gave calm, useful responses.
Bboy AJ
My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
Seems like you're just backtracking in an effort not to get banned. I don't personally care because I have no dog in the fight. But you're not fooling anyone.Squall ASF said:
Anyway, Spotify is super convenient. It's nice to find a track and just hit play. I'd go for a premium if it didn't cost more than Netflix. The price is too high, IMO, especially when I have a ton of my music on Amazon and Google already. But the ability to discover new music keeps making me reconsider over and over.
indigo-cyclops
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I was just noticing this after I ran out of stuff I could think to add.Fusebox said:
I've got too many cloud music things going. Now including this, Amazon and Google Music.
Awesome Animals
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Fusebox said:
The beauty of being able to use both services!
Squall ASF
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I'm not fooling anyone? melodramatic much? If I was high on piracy, why would I bother to sign up with Spotify in the first place? I also certainly wouldn't have thrown in that comment about not being adverse to it. All I wanted to know was: In a world full of pirating where countless people do it, what services does this platform bring that it caught on with such popularity? All the rage for the past years has been torrent shit so I was pretty surprised to see a legit platform get such traction. I signed up and tried a search or two and played a few songs with the free version. I then had to go out and didn't get to play with it more so I asked here in an OT about Spotify, for the different services. Multiple posters informed me of it's uses which I appreciate. I can see the social sharing aspect of it really catching on, sharing a new album that friends may not have heard of or tossing a collection of songs to a friend upon their request or vice a versa. In an age where social networking rules the internet, this certainly has a place.Bboy AJ said:
I agree with you on the track play, I was impressed how their was no buffer time, it simply just played. I'm just torn on the premium for the reason you stated, price. I just don't like the idea of 'adding' a new monthly bill which is the reason I've never signed up for Netflix despite thinking it's a pretty nifty service.
Awesome Animals
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Fusebox said:
It offers you the ability to save songs that you liked on Pandora? And free Pandora + premium Spotify = you can take songs you liked on Pandora and listen to them whenever you want on an smartphone or iTouch?
Couple of good HBR articles on Spotify:
Why Spotify Will Kill iTunes
Why I'm Not Going Near Spotify (and why you shouldn't either)
Why Spotify Will Kill iTunes
Why I'm Not Going Near Spotify (and why you shouldn't either)
Awesome Animals
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eznark said:
The second article makes some pretty interesting claims, but I don't think he is right. For one thing, we don't know what the consumer response in terms of bitTorrent traffic, and dropped subscriptions are for Netflix, so we can't use that as a model. And, it is easier to pirate a album rather than an episode of Mad Men, or a movie.
So, should Spotify try and raise prices, I think it is a fair prediction that more people would drop Spotify than would drop Netflix. I know I dropped Netflix's delivery service, and opted just for streaming, but I did that awhile ago, so the price structure didn't affect me the way it did others.
Also, if you look at the relative power iTunes has had over the music industry, I think it is safe to say that Spotify will develop that clout as well. So, as he makes an arguement that the industry would require increased prices, I think Spotify could have a large enough sphere of influence to prevent that.
Just my opinion. I think the author of that article makes some valid points, but ultimately fails at convincing me that he could be right (which he still very well may be.)
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Squall ASF said:
Calm and useful responses aside, as per of the terms of service we frown on users admitting to and/or encouraging piracy and you can see what the impact of your implication was on the topic of discussion so I hope in the future you will avoid this line of conversation.
Joe Shlabotnik
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eznark said:
I think he's overstating the case regarding consumption of music. Yes, songs and albums are re-listened to much more than movies and television shows. But plenty of people watch some movies over and over again, for one. And two, I don't think most people operate under the assumption that music-streaming wholly replaces their permanent music collection. I use Pandora/Spotify/etc. very broadly, to sample different artists. There are *tons* of songs and albums I only listen to once or twice, and if I really love something, then I just go out and buy the damn album eventually. Of course it's convenient when it's already on the service, but it's not like I'd feel like my music library evaporated if the service ever went away.
Streaming is obviously not for collectors or completists. I mean, duh.
The Crimson Kid
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CzarTim said:
Musicians should be able to make a decent living without subjugating themselves to life as a glorified minstrel performer. That used to be the case.
Every development in music consumption in the past 15 years has been great for consumers and for corporations, but terrible for musicians.
There's no reason for many people to support artists when they can hear entire albums for free on Spotify. Also, since most people will not pay Spotify, they will hear a poor quality version of the album. None of that is good for musicians.
Albums used to be carefully considered works of art. IF albums have truly been relegated to be "promotional material," then the economics of being a professional musician are truly fucked. Who would be willing to invest their time and money into creating an album if they aren't willing to drop everything else in their life to go touring for months?
I remember reading a few years ago about the rise of self-recorded albums due to cheaper recording equipment and talented individuals being able to make albums on their own time. The economics of the music industry since then have killed these people from being able to record an album in between their job and family stuff.
Are these people not worthy of financial success for the art they've created, even though they don't want to drop everything in their life to go tour?
Joe Shlabotnik
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The Crimson Kid said:
Technically, musicians have only been able to rely heavily on the purchase of recorded music for the last 50 years or so, and that's without conceding that albums have lost relevance in the last decade. An album is a fairly young art form offshoot and--as much as I loooove a well-constructed one--it is not some kind of Constitutionally-protected primary source of revenue.
But I am not a professional musician so I would be curious to hear from some. (And maybe you are!) Because my impression was that unless you really hit the jackpot with a platinum record, recording contracts were rarely good for anyone but the record company to begin with.
Also wtf at "glorified minstrel performer"?? There are plenty of musicians who are only in it for the thrill of live performances. Most of them, I'd wager.
OfWhiteSkinOnRedLeather
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I'm having a problem with starring tracks. I click the star that appears when you hover over the speaker icon, but when I go to my starred music, it's empty. Am I missing something? I'm a free user ATM, so maybe that's it?
EDIT: Never mind. It seems to be working now. Just everything I starred the other day is gone. Whatever.
EDIT: Never mind. It seems to be working now. Just everything I starred the other day is gone. Whatever.
Awesome Animals
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Couldn't you also argue that music is an art, and artists aren't doing it for the money, but rather for their work to be exposed to the greatest amount of people?
Under that philosophy, people who are just looking to make some money off limited musical talent, without putting forth the effort a musician who would call himself an artist would, become subjected to the laws of supply and demand. Which points to consumerism, and the way they have influenced the industry.
Under that philosophy, people who are just looking to make some money off limited musical talent, without putting forth the effort a musician who would call himself an artist would, become subjected to the laws of supply and demand. Which points to consumerism, and the way they have influenced the industry.
The thing about the bait and switch price thing, that's the great thing about a rental service: you can instantly quit at any time and not lose anything. Just move on to the next new or cheaper competitor which there undoubtedly will be.eznark said:
That's exactly what several of my friends did when Netflix raised their prices.
In my opinion, the future of music is rental/free. I love the idea of not having a music collection. I just want to listen to whatever I want, however much I want, and not worry about where or how.
Korey said:
Yeah, the thing is with Netflix there really aren't that many competitors. With Spotify there's Rhapsody, Rdio, Mog, Pandora, Last.fm, etc all kind of doing the same sort of thing (well, Okay Rhapsody, Rdio and Mog are. the others are a bit different). So I think you'd be pretty safe moving to another one.
Personally, I'm an avid music collector, but I've slowed down a ton since subscribing to a music service (rhapsody). I almost do think of it as my music library. But if they up the price too much then oh well, I still feel the price was well worth it for music discovery. I've heard so much stuff I didn't know I'd like in the time I had my subscription that it's been beyond worth the price.
SonofdonCD
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Oh wow! I thought on a lark that I'd look up my former band, Heavy Weather, on the off chance we'd be on there. And lo and behold, there we are! I have no idea how that happened, but I gotta contact my former bandmates about this.
Here's the link if any of you are interested:
http://open.spotify.com/album/0hYHt7Q5o4mbvmfqjGQI6t
Here's the link if any of you are interested:
http://open.spotify.com/album/0hYHt7Q5o4mbvmfqjGQI6t
Outdoor Miner
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So I signed up my gf to a free account. I watch her fire up the same Spotify install on my pc and see a tab for Artist Radio. I'm to assume that's like Pandora? Anyways, I go back and login and the Artist Radio tab disappeared. Hard to believe that the freebies would get that over Premium subscribers, right?
CF_Fighter
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I love this service. I'm listening to so many albums and songs I've been told about but never listened to before. Like this morning it's Megadeath's "Peace Sells....But Who's Buying"
Does anyone know if there's a way to get a radio playlist on Spotify? By radio I mean just a mix of songs. I subscribe to Rhapsody right now and the wife really uses the radio feature a lot when she's doing housework.
I noticed those links early for Top 40, Pitchfork over 80 etc. etc. But is there a link that you can plug in to make to play random popular songs?
I noticed those links early for Top 40, Pitchfork over 80 etc. etc. But is there a link that you can plug in to make to play random popular songs?
kamspy said:
See the playlist links in the OP, it will create similar to it (generate playlist/queue). Random popular songs would be the "Most played" top-100 list, or you could search for "Best of the xxxx´s" playlists in the databases.
Antagon said:
Apparently it's not available to anyone in the US due to licensing:
http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2011...ailable-in-eu-pandora-like-artist-radio-.html
Jeels said:
Create a new playlist, ctrl+a mark all Starred songs, drag-and-drop into your new playlist.
Outdoor Miner said:
It could think you're based in Europe at first, when it did the IP check when you fired it up the first time it might have realized you're in the US. Then limiting you the next time you login.
Not Zune: https://www.spotify.com/us/mobile/overview/zoner said:
Outdoor Miner
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Damn her account still has Artist Radio. So jealous. I'm positive that will come over for all US users soon enough though. 'Til then I have Spotibot.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Spotify busted me for accessing the service from Canada and asked me to update my address
So I just reconfirmed my address as being in California and I seem to be good to go. The gravy train continues.
So I just reconfirmed my address as being in California and I seem to be good to go. The gravy train continues.
Stumpokapow said:
Did you get it around the launch? If so, it may have something to do with the 14 days re-activation period (just like offline playlists) since that was 14 days ago. I think I remember someone else having to do that every 14th day before, but that was long time ago.
JaseMath
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I would love an option for more robust searches and suggestions - artist name, song name, users, etc. - since the search seems awful spotty and pretty sensitive where spelling is concerned. Putting artist: or whatever to specify a search is totally inconvenient and stupid, too.Shurs said:
JasonMCG said:
Odd. I have just been typing in the artist name without any "artist:" prefix and have had good luck finding the bands I've been looking for.
The "Related Artists" tab is a bit spotty, but I've discovered some new (to me) bands this way, making Spotify worth my time.
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