So, loot scratch tickets?
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Star Wars Battlefront 2s Microtransactions Are Shaping up to Be Pay-To-Win
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So, loot scratch tickets?
Who are absolutely no better? Something as simple as difficulty modes are locked behind Amiibo.
mullet2000
Member
This is exactly why I don't get excited by hearing "all maps will be free" anymore.
timetokill
Banned
Single-player difficulty modes are VERY different from PTW items in a multiplayer competitive mode
Nintendo isn't locking guns behind paywalls in Splatoon 2, or Blue Shells behind paywalls in Mario Kart
WaterAstro
Member
It was already bad in Battlefront 1.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
But overall the first Battlefront was not a competitive shooter to take seriously as Battlefield or CoD. EA was probably like, "No one will take it seriously. This ain't esports. It's all unbalance fun. It's whatevs"
nuclearaddict
Banned
Yep, waiting for this to drop to $5 so I can mess around in the single player for a few minutes.
No thanks, I'll pass.
No thanks, I'll pass.
bullshit. Vote with your wallets.
Nightmare452
Member
Message to all developers: Loot boxes, such as those in Overwatch, are acceptable, but ONLY if they are cosmetic! It has never and it never will be ok to lock skills/perks/weapons/any in-game action/item/activities/abilities behind loot boxes. This just kills the hype, the community is poisoned, and your reputation dragged through a trial of public opinion.
That said, I hope its not as unbalance as it sounds. Maybe have at least two modes, ala Halo 5. Where one mode allowed the card microtransactions weapons and vehicles (the BS pay-to-win mode), and another that was clear of that and was at least not unfair to those not spending on microtransactions.
That said, I hope its not as unbalance as it sounds. Maybe have at least two modes, ala Halo 5. Where one mode allowed the card microtransactions weapons and vehicles (the BS pay-to-win mode), and another that was clear of that and was at least not unfair to those not spending on microtransactions.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Yes, and it's not pay to win, it's pay to save time . It's a less direct shortcut kit. You will unlock everything through regular gameplay.
timetokill
Banned
Gamers already have, and they've voted to say they are willing to swallow gallons of shit as long as it's Branded Shit
ZeroGravity
Member
Star Wars does not lend itself well to cosmetics. These games are all about capturing the look and feel of the movies. I really don't want pink Stormtroopers running around the battlefield.
So its like Battlefield shortcuts then? If its like that people dont have to worry.
Daffy Duck
Member
Seriously this mindset has to stop.
Its the free hit mentality to get you wanting more of the items.
Lol you say that but facts prove you wrong.
These things aren't in games for the fuck of it. They are in games because people willingly buy them and frankly aren't too bothered by it.
Making it exclusively cosmetic items, even with lootboxes turning it into a game of chance, it means you need to constantly have a stream of stuff people would want. That's significantly more difficult and more time consuming than just selling something with better stats. It's a problem of balancing vs employing a bunch of people to constantly design/model/animate skins.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Yes, just now they've added a layer of chance to it rather than directly buying all of the unlocks for one class.
They aren't sticking loot crate only guns in these crates like COD does or anything.
Because it's alarmist bullshit.
timetokill
Banned
If they were smart, they'd make it so if you pay money you are automatically part of the Empire, and the people who don't pay are part of the Rebels
I like this solution actually, lol
What mentality. I play tons of games like this and have no desire to buy loot boxes and enjoyment of the game isn't diminished on the slightest?
Are you playing the beta? Earning credits alone to "buy" credits is easy as shit.
Wow, I can just imagine kids putting "money for loot crates" on their Christmas lists.
Krappadizzle
Member
Shooter landscape is pretty flooded at the moment, I think BF2 will be like BF1 and be popular for maybe a few months and then disappear.
Not sure why they couldn't have gone any one of the numerous successful MT models like R6:Siege for example and stick to strictly cosmetic microstransactions.
Not sure why they couldn't have gone any one of the numerous successful MT models like R6:Siege for example and stick to strictly cosmetic microstransactions.
Which is the case with most Pay-To-Win games. If you're willing to make them your second job then sure, you can unlock everything through 'regular gameplay'. They even make the point of saying that Beta drop rates aren't representative of how they'll be in the final game, and I doubt they'll get more generous.
It's a conflict of interest when it comes to designing a progression system, as they're rewarded financially for making the game more of a grind. I have no reason to believe that they haven't tailored the system to make as much money as possible.
IsntChrisL
Member
AAA gaming is going down the toilet. It's just gross at this point. Some of you will defend anything.
That's still pay to win, at least until the peasants can grind their ass to keep up. And for those who don't have the time to grind and just play a few hours a week? Well, I guess they are fucked, but only for a few months.
Daffy Duck
Member
The mentality of well I get a free one every so often.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
If you played Battlefield you'd be immediately outclassed by people who bought the shortcut kits. It's no different. It's a time saver, there is nothing in the crates that qualifies as p2w.
Mr.Deadshot
Member
We did. For like months or so. At least I knew about Hero star cards that make the characters stronger.
TheSpoiler
Member
Special Guests Everyone But You Has A Jetpack And Is Perched In Places They Shouldn't Be and his friend That Overpowered Pre-order Gun That Didn't Get Nerfed Forever.
I think there's a middle ground to this, though. Doesn't need to be esports, but it definitely needs a formula that's fun for most people. That's not fun for most people.
WaterAstro
Member
Everyone will start protesting
Ravi_elite
Banned
No buy
prag16
Banned
Yeah, mostly. And the fact that suckers are willing to pay for stupid shit like that is gaining us free add-on content vs. an expensive season pass. So in a manner of speaking, we win.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
^ I'm going to spend maybe $30 on crates because I'm a parent now and don't have the time to play multiplayer games like I used too.
That's not pay to win. Pay to win is when there are exclusive weapons and abilities behind paywall. Most Battlefield DLC has actually been pay to win. Shortcut kits and crates like this aren't pay to win.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Errors if the top tiers are as hard to obtain as they are in other ea games with this sort of stuff (ME:A) people have every single right to be extremely concerned.
That games multi was pure co-op this is not.
CountAntonius
Member
They said the same things for WW2 games but they figured it out. Just gotta get creative and keep it to the theme.
Yeah it's more difficult but it also doesn't hurt them game. Though i doubt this game will be full blown pay 2 win it just really hurts the game's perception when this kind of stuff happens.
So? What's wrong? I'm enjoying the game and don't feel compelled buy anything. Seeing as I earn rare star cards just buy earning credits and getting free loot crates daily.
I don't feel compelled to buy anything. If something wants to spend their own money. Let them. It's not diminishing my enjoyment or what I earn. I'm not locked out of anything.
You mean the mindset about not overreacting and waiting to see the full picture?
Or the mindset that like in Destiny 2 where it was people not playing it overreacting and not listening to the people that play the game to realize what it actually gave?
It's better than posters like you overreacting at every single thing which actually is just as bad.
There are games that deserve to be called out like forza 7 and how shadows of morder handles their true ending. Those are dispicable loot boxes and a determent to the game than there are ones that are okay and don't have an issue like Destiny and Overwatch. So yeah I will wait till more of the story comes out before reacting and saying this is the worst thing ever. It may not be anything major and if it turns out to be worst than it sounds like than I will call it out as well.
I don't think it's as simple as that for EA, in fairness. They're dealing with Star Wars, and trying to make an authentic experience - I don't think there are enough opportunities for making cosmetic content without compromising that goal. For instance Star Wars EA Battlefront 1 allowed you to play as a Stormtrooper without their helmet, and it ended up patched out because it was jarring.
Of course theyll try to squeeze every buck they can out of it. It would be stupid not to because that is what the people who pays the developers want.