Jacksinthe
Banned
Yup. I pay far more attention (and money) to smaller studios these days.
AAA lost the plot.
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Star Wars Battlefront 2s Microtransactions Are Shaping up to Be Pay-To-Win
- Thread starter Strakt
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AAA lost the plot.
There is difference with loot box and loot box tho
ebullientprism
Member
They were free in TF1. Never a part of loot crates or any micro-transactions.
Which is fine IMO. Its not like TF1 was CSGO and balanced for competitive gaming.
This case however, where you pay to get them, can go fuck off. Pure P2W.
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Deleted member 284
Unconfirmed Member
Over/Under: 2 months for the faux apology when this blows up. Whose betting?
ebullientprism
Member
Surely worse lol.
Saucycarpdog
Member
Incorrect. You can get new guns in CoD by earning enough scrap parts. You get scrap parts randomly through the loot boxes. Just like the parts in this game. So there actually isn't a difference between BF2 and CoD.
InterMusketeer
Member
There will probably be like a dozen cards actually worth using, you upgrade those using the doubles you get from boxes, and done. I don't think anyone's going to spend money to get those cards. First few weeks might be rough as you grind to get better cards (assuming you're going up against people who did buy boxes and got better cards from them) but afterwards you'll be on equal footing, it looks like.
I believe there's cosmetics as well, and those are going to be the prime reason to spend money. Probably.
I believe there's cosmetics as well, and those are going to be the prime reason to spend money. Probably.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
I'm pretty sure that isn't the case with BO3.
TangoAlphaLima
Member
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
I basically ignore everything from EA/Activision/Ubisoft. They have very talented developers and impressive tech, but they're crippled by the suits forcing them to put certain features into the games (Multiplayer, open world, RPG systems, Microtransactions, etc).
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
I don't think the upgraded gear is powerful enough to be a make or break factor, competitively. It's not like an MMO or F2P title where you're at a severe disadvantage without high level gear.
The loot sounds like a waste of money, to be honest.
The loot sounds like a waste of money, to be honest.
wesleyshark
Banned
That's an interesting list of things to group together.
Open world and online persistent world games sell really well. Why wouldn't developers keep making them?
Tame Deity
Member
I don't even give a fuck about the online, I'll just buy this when it's on deep DEEP sale. I just want the campaign and split screen stuff. This kinda stuff is what turns me off about online multiplayer games. I just feel scummy reading this shit. Thankfully I got Titanfall 2 and its huge
PC playerbase to play with.
tiny and dying
Im really confused by this, in what aspect was D2 considered to be p2w?
Saucycarpdog
Member
BO3 is the exception. AW, IW, and MWR have all let you get the guns through gameplay. WWII will be no different.
newtypepilot
Member
well EA gonna EA
Is that not the very definition of pay to win though...
I mean, I'm still excited for this game regardless but being able to pay money to use a shortcut to getting better gear is giving you an advantage that those who don't pay won't have. I'm in the "wait and see what it's like at launch" camp though. I don't think it's outrageous or anything just yet, we just need to see how it ends up being.
Coming from Shadow of War threads to this one is giving me serious whiplash.
Shadow of War is getting crucified by large portion of GAF for loot box / MT model very like this one. Milking people for more , artificially adding grind to the game, selling power progress...
SW: Battlefront 2? Disturbing amount mental gymnastics to justify why this is only good thing. How it's 100% optional so selling some power progress is fine, game isn't padded out with slow grind to promote pack sales (do we know they don't for release?)...
But then Battlefront 2 has Star Wars printed to the box so need all reason not to ignore it and purchase it.
Shadow of War is getting crucified by large portion of GAF for loot box / MT model very like this one. Milking people for more , artificially adding grind to the game, selling power progress...
SW: Battlefront 2? Disturbing amount mental gymnastics to justify why this is only good thing. How it's 100% optional so selling some power progress is fine, game isn't padded out with slow grind to promote pack sales (do we know they don't for release?)...
But then Battlefront 2 has Star Wars printed to the box so need all reason not to ignore it and purchase it.
Yes it sounds like you can buy these with ingame credits.
BLAUcopter
Gold Member
The system sucks ass. From my impressions with the beta, I wont be touching this with a 10 foot pole.
MHWilliams
Member
The post you referenced:
There is a difficulty mode locked behind Amiibo. There are no reason for your disagreement with their post.
That said, this is a bit of a divergence from the thread topic.
Compared to the shortcut kits in Battlefield, isn't this a worse value proposition for consumers though? If in Battlefield 1 you wanted to save on time and unlock all of the medic gear it'd cost $13 (CAD, not sure what USD prices are or if that's the original price) for a shortcut kit and you'd know exactly what you're paying for. While we don't know the exact details of lootbox implementation in Battlefront 2, it does seem unlikely that spending $13 on boxes would yield the same amount of content as a one time shortcut kit purchase, whereas spending $30 on crates still wouldn't guarantee you getting the items you want (comparatively all of the Battlefield 1 infantry shortcuts are available in a $40 bundle). I just can't see how this a better value proposition for the consumer compared to the one-time purchase of a shortcut kit.
Yeah Nintendo aren't perfect. But Nintendo do things different (often for the worse) so I don't believe they'll go down this particular path that everyone else seems to be going down.
Its not because they're better, it's just because they're not...this.
Or I'll just stick with retro and non transactional games now.
ScientificPizza
Banned
This year really seems to be turning into the tipping point for loot boxes
ArkhamFantasy
Member
I'm saying the developers dont have a say in the matter. Some games like Witcher 3 dont need it, it would have hurt the game badly.
They will keep pushing it further and further until they cant get away with it anymore.
TangoAlphaLima
Member
Yes, as it looks now, everything can be earned through merely playing. But there also appear to be a million different cards you can earn through the loot boxes, so the whales will definitely get the upgrades quicker. However, they do let you choose between infantry and starfighter loot boxes, so if you have a preference on modes, you don't need to waste credits on something you aren't going to play.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
No, pay to win is when there are weapons or abilities locked behind a paywall.
"It's fine, you guys. Just don't buy them!"
If only Shadow of War was connected in some way to a beloved, long standing brand
Evil Monkey DTT
Banned
I think I'm done with AAA gaming. Rather play hat in time.
Hmmm...
We need to find out how many possible gameplay hours it'll take to possibly earn it all...
Saucycarpdog
Member
It's more because GAF loves single player games. I mean, this is the forum where some people believe only a story driven SP game can win GOTY. With Shadow of War, people are afraid more and more SP games will adopt this model.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Sounds less pay 2 win and more pay 2 less grind
Still shitty and you know they took microtransactions into consideration.
Still shitty and you know they took microtransactions into consideration.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
Forza 7, Shadow of War, and Battlefront 2. AAA publishers are having a giant circle jerk over what they're getting away with this week.
Playing the beta, I say you can get a crate every 3 or 4 games. Crates give you 3 random upgrades, and the quality of improvement that the upgrades provide goes from imperceptible to a mild improvement. Most stat buffs in the items provide a max of 10% increase from stock to max quality buff, though some abilities give improvements to blast radius, which can cause 40%+ increase to overall blast area. I do hope they tone it down.
I am not a fan of grinding in games, especially shooters or action games. I would rather all the DLC be aesthetics. That would be my choice 100% of the time, and I'd much rather have those aesthetics be direct-purchase and not random loot boxes.
That said, I'm very grateful that the entire game is accessible without a season pass.
I am not a fan of grinding in games, especially shooters or action games. I would rather all the DLC be aesthetics. That would be my choice 100% of the time, and I'd much rather have those aesthetics be direct-purchase and not random loot boxes.
That said, I'm very grateful that the entire game is accessible without a season pass.
What did he mean by this?
Member
People seriously want this sort of stuff over season passes?
Yep, just gotta see how long it'll take to possibly grind it out.
Someone will do the math in the first few weeks post launch.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Turible
PodcastFips
Member
I'd call it scummy if loot boxes bought with real money give you a higher chance of getting one of the higher tier star cards, but it doesn't look like that's the case. People can purchase loot boxes that other players need 7 (or less, with challenges) games for to earn the necessary amount of credits.
Overreacting?
Overreacting?