Thank you
Expect this to go on and get worse until 2020
That seems extremely unlikely, I'm pretty sure that the incoming moderators will take care of threads like these pretty soon and we'll hopefully all be able to move on from this ongoing nonsensical partisanism that people seem to enjoy throwing at each other now.
Good point, you've explicated it succintly.....Errr, perhaps with one small anomaly....X does not win hands down, it has worse frame rate, tearing etc...in quite a few cases. Other than that nobody has any issue or is surpised that X is pushing more pixels...The bigger issue is X fans are overstating the differences, in most cases the differences is not 4k to 1440p. It's dynamic 4k and X 's average rez is much lower than 4k and closer to the Pro's 1440p.
A mistake? You should read some of the old threads around XBOX one's launch in 2013 and even articles from DF talking about "does resolution matter?" and other journalists talking about Kinect being the second coming for the living room...
agreed TV TV TV is a great thing, starting your games through voice or even your cable channels, yet, that wore off as quick as it came. You see, we could already watch tv quite well on our cable boxes, getting a game started was as quick as pushing a button or switching tv channels was a breeze with three remote clicks at best, but MS felt that should take priority over beefing up it's console for games or investing in exclsuives as it should have done...Then ontop of that, they had concoted this whole DRM hell machine instead on concentrating on what matters...The majority of PRO games have supersampling, the data is there, no need to misrepresent it. On the flip, only a handful of XBONEX games have 4k textures...I would'nt say support is greater on XBONEX either, where are all the MS marketed games like Witcher 3 and Unity, hell, even fisrt parties IP's like Forza Horizon 3 is missing, where is the DOOM that was spoken about at their conference etc..? I remember PRO's lauch having much more videos about games and comparisons at DF than XBONEX tbh...Lots of games are using 4k assets.Cant wait to see Witcher 3
Good point, you've explicated it succintly.....Errr, perhaps with one small anomaly....X does not win hands down, it has worse frame rate, tearing etc...in quite a few cases. Other than that nobody has any issue or is surpised that X is pushing more pixels...The bigger issue is X fans are overstating the differences, in most cases the differences is not 4k to 1440p. It's dynamic 4k and X 's average rez is much lower than 4k and closer to the Pro's 1440p.
So on average, you're looking at 1440p on Pro vs 1800p on XBONEX if you go by stats from vgtech et al...
A mistake? You should read some of the old threads around XBOX one's launch in 2013 and even articles from DF talking about "does resolution matter?" and other journalists talking about Kinect being the second coming for the living room...
All the time, I was asking myself and expressed it here too....Why did MS concentrate on Kinect etc, when people would be tired of the gimmick in 2 seconds. Why markup an already weak console an extra $100.00 over the competition just to push something people will be tired of or frustrated by in quick order..Many journalists
You know what matters? Games, not kinnect, not tv, not UHD bluray, not power of the cloud type spiels or this is a "4k native machine" the competiion is competing with XBONEX-S type drivel. Something is very wrong with MS's priorities/marketing this gen, they're either backtracking, focusing on the wrongs things at the wrong time, but what really killed MS this gen and even now is how they try to overplay what they have. Like Penello's "I will never relinquish 30% power to Sony" or Spencer's "PRO competes with S" because CB, upscaling, etc...is not how the X rolls Dawg...type spiel...
The truth of the matter is XBONEX being more powerful now is too little too late, everybody has already invested in a library in a particular eco-system, nobody cares right now tbh, especially if the differences are mainly 1440p average vs 1800p at the same 30/60fps across the console mid-gen threshold. It's especially more alarming when you have quite a few cases of tearing and worse framerate to go with that rez boost as well....It's shame too, because if devs used CB which PRO was engineered for, PRO would even have sharper IQ against a dynamic 4k image on XBONEX, whilst also enjoying the framerate advantage it has in select titles.....
So yes, no one is looking to dump their PRO to play multiplats at dynamic 4k on XBONEX at $100.00 markup at this point, where some titles perform worse with tearing, but MOST importantly, no one is going to miss out on all the exclusive games, highest rated and varied exclusives and yet all those on the horizon on the PS4 ecosystem, it's not happening. The attraction and pull is just not there and I think we will see that manifested in November's NPD numbers....MS just does not have the pulse on what really matters to gamers this gen...I've always said, it's a threefold approach, Power+Price+Games, you balance all three and you have a winner...
The majority of PRO games have supersampling, the data is there, no need to misrepresent it. On the flip, only a handful of XBONEX games have 4k textures...I would'nt say support is greater on XBONEX either, where are all the MS marketed games like Witcher 3 and Unity, hell, even fisrt parties IP's like Forza Horizon 3 is missing, where is the DOOM that was spoken about at their conference etc..? I remember PRO's lauch having much more videos about games and comparisons at DF than XBONEX tbh...
Well sony uses dynamic 4k in their marketing of the Pro, how accurate is that when they aren't even hitting 4k in most games?
Sony should change it to dynamic 1440P
Says the PS fanboy. Aha.
Good point, you've explicated it succintly.....Errr, perhaps with one small anomaly....X does not win hands down, it has worse frame rate, tearing etc...in quite a few cases. Other than that nobody has any issue or is surpised that X is pushing more pixels...The bigger issue is X fans are overstating the differences, in most cases the differences is not 4k to 1440p. It's dynamic 4k and X 's average rez is much lower than 4k and closer to the Pro's 1440p.
So on average, you're looking at 1440p on Pro vs 1800p on XBONEX if you go by stats from vgtech et al...
A mistake? You should read some of the old threads around XBOX one's launch in 2013 and even articles from DF talking about "does resolution matter?" and other journalists talking about Kinect being the second coming for the living room...
All the time, I was asking myself and expressed it here too....Why did MS concentrate on Kinect etc, when people would be tired of the gimmick in 2 seconds. Why markup an already weak console an extra $100.00 over the competition just to push something people will be tired of or frustrated by in quick order..Many journalists
You know what matters? Games, not kinnect, not tv, not UHD bluray, not power of the cloud type spiels or this is a "4k native machine" the competiion is competing with XBONEX-S type drivel. Something is very wrong with MS's priorities/marketing this gen, they're either backtracking, focusing on the wrongs things at the wrong time, but what really killed MS this gen and even now is how they try to overplay what they have. Like Penello's "I will never relinquish 30% power to Sony" or Spencer's "PRO competes with S" because CB, upscaling, etc...is not how the X rolls Dawg...type spiel...
The truth of the matter is XBONEX being more powerful now is too little too late, everybody has already invested in a library in a particular eco-system, nobody cares right now tbh, especially if the differences are mainly 1440p average vs 1800p at the same 30/60fps across the console mid-gen threshold. It's especially more alarming when you have quite a few cases of tearing and worse framerate to go with that rez boost as well....It's shame too, because if devs used CB which PRO was engineered for, PRO would even have sharper IQ against a dynamic 4k image on XBONEX, whilst also enjoying the framerate advantage it has in select titles.....
So yes, no one is looking to dump their PRO to play multiplats at dynamic 4k on XBONEX at $100.00 markup at this point, where some titles perform worse with tearing, but MOST importantly, no one is going to miss out on all the exclusive games, highest rated and varied exclusives and yet all those on the horizon on the PS4 ecosystem, it's not happening. The attraction and pull is just not there and I think we will see that manifested in November's NPD numbers....MS just does not have the pulse on what really matters to gamers this gen...I've always said, it's a threefold approach, Power+Price+Games, you balance all three and you have a winner...
The majority of PRO games have supersampling, the data is there, no need to misrepresent it. On the flip, only a handful of XBONEX games have 4k textures...I would'nt say support is greater on XBONEX either, where are all the MS marketed games like Witcher 3 and Unity, hell, even fisrt parties IP's like Forza Horizon 3 is missing, where is the DOOM that was spoken about at their conference etc..? I remember PRO's lauch having much more videos about games and comparisons at DF than XBONEX tbh...
Hardcore gamers are not going to be the XBONEX's saving grace. I'm sure most of the XBOX diehards will get the console and others who just buy every system will do just the same, but we're talking a bigger picture here and trying to gauge what's in it for the system longterm...I think on that part, we can revisit this a bit later after the holidays and into March next year, but don't say I never told you.at the end of the day no matter how you play it Microsoft have turned it around, you are saying nobody is thinking of dumping their PRO for and X have you spoke to everybody who has a pro? I know 5 people with a pro and all 5 of them have an X so to me its 100% of the people with a pro now have an X. yeah only a sample but with people areradu owning 360 games digital its another way in to get people back to xbox as they already have the library and can play it on the new console.
the games you are saying DOOM and Forza horizon 3 are on their way with their patches. and I think you are misremembering about Digital Foundry videos as there has been numerous posts on here about how the X has received more Digital Foundry coverage than the pro did at launch. at the end of the day you are constantly posting in and xbox thread and being very salty. if you don't like what Microsoft are doing with Backwards compatibility then stick to playstation posts. the pro is a really good console and loads of really good games so that should keep you happy
Sony never said that "this is a 4k games machine" no pixel compromises, non of that checkerboard or upscaling stuff....If you want that "get a XBOX ONE S or PRO"..said Spencer..
There is absolutely no surprise that the XBONEX is pushing more pixels. There is also no surprise that the XBONEX is not doing 4k native in the way MS marketed it. The surprise rests with XBONEX trying to push too many pixels it really can't and so framerate suffers. This is in grave contrast to the last 4 years when PS4 was the more powerful hardware.....
Funny enough, when I read the thread title, I just went to Digital Foundry's youtube channel and watched their battlefront video on a 4k screen, but that Gaming Bolt video in the OP has quite few errors. The guy says there are texture differences, when there are not, he never touches framerate differences. I watched the vid and it looks very close to each other, it's defintely not as discernible as PS4 was vs xbox One on these same youube channels. Not saying there's no diference though, it's just not as apparent because of the higher resolutions on each console...
Well sony uses dynamic 4k in their marketing of the Pro, how accurate is that when they aren't even hitting 4k in most games?
Sony should change it to dynamic 1440P
