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Star Wars: Battlefront | Review Thread | A disturbance in the force

samar11

Member
Doesn't matter how bad the reviews are this game is going to sell a fuck ton just on the name along and launching very close to the movie release.
I haven't gotten a chance to play it so I cant give my opinion but I will once I buy it.
 

bombshell

Member
Sorry, I forgot you can also play offline against bots.

Do you think 30 hours of play is an acceptable minimum before reviewing a game?

That obviously depends on the game. I haven't played Battlefront yet, but I know from another poster that the jump pack doesn't come into play until 8 hours, so this is already outside what a strictly EA Access review can reach when they by my account need to spend some good time with the missions too, and if you look in the companion app or on the website then there's still a lot of later unlocks after that to change up the game.
 
Forget the reviews.

The game earns the ability to belong in the 'excellent' category.

And it cannot be overstated what a technical achievement this is on PC.
 

gossi

Member
I just started up the game - the most amount of players I can find in Walker Assault and Supremacy are 4 players each. Those are 40 player modes.
 
For me below 75 scores are not necessarily bad games but more of a budget filter. This one will probably land in my EA access games collection whenever it comes through
 

gatti-man

Member
Wait, so that jump pack and sniper rifle from the beta were trait cards right? And in the full version they don't unlock til lvl 15?

That's dumb.

I thought the way Black Ops 3 locked specialist challenges behind lvl 17 or something was stupid but this is sort of absurd. It'd be like not letting you use perks in CoD until you've leveled up quite a bit.

It's not that bad. I played for 2 hours and I'm lvl 9. And I'm not good so far lol.

Doesn't matter how bad the reviews are this game is going to sell a fuck ton just on the name along and launching very close to the movie release.
I haven't gotten a chance to play it so I cant give my opinion but I will once I buy it.

If you like Star Wars you will like this game. I have a hard time imagining a fan not liking it. It's full of Star Wars style moments everywhere. Even if your bad it's still pretty damn fun. Don't like Star Wars I would stay away.
 

JimiNutz

Banned
I think 8 is a fair score due to lack of content. 7 is harsh but understandable and 6 is ridiculous. This is not a 6/10 game.
 

gatti-man

Member
I think 8 is a fair score due to lack of content. 7 is harsh but understandable and 6 is ridiculous. This is not a 6/10 game.

I'd give it an 8-7.5 only because of the content yeah. I think the 6's are the pile on reviews that feel they need to take a stand against bare bones games coming out. Same Thing that happens to destiny and other DLC heavy games.
 

ByWatterson

Member
The question that I think needs asking is, "If it weren't a Star Wars game, would anyone care?"

I think the answer is obvious. This is a competent, beautiful, but otherwise unremarkable shooter that would not be worthy of any hype were it not for the nostalgia factor which, while significant, is not something that will give this game what shooters fans typically look for today - longevity.
 

Bishop89

Member
eh, it's not necessarily 'bad' so much as it's completely average and some would say mediocre as far as games go. 8 is pretty much the standard of 'yeah, does the job, what most people expected', and anything below is usually qualified as a disappointment and potentially not worth full price

some people will refuse to buy anything below 8 or 9 though because they really love high numbers

7 is above average - good.

4-5 is average
<4 is bad
 

TBiddy

Member
That obviously depends on the game. I haven't played Battlefront yet, but I know from another poster that the jump pack doesn't come into play until 8 hours, so this is already outside what a strictly EA Access review can reach when they by my account need to spend some good time with the missions too, and if you look in the companion app or on the website then there's still a lot of later unlocks after that to change up the game.

I doubt that will change the main complaint about the game - the longevity. Sure, you can unlock a few cool items, but what then? More offline battles against bots? I don't think that's what people want to do.
 

Trace

Banned
7 is above average - good.

4-5 is average
<4 is bad

No, it's not. You might be using the whole numerical 1-10, but realistically things aren't scored that way in game reviews. A 7.5 is roughly average, if you're scoring under that with the amount of games that get released you're below average bordering on bad.
 

Ghostage

Member
What a shame, cancelled my pre-order after playing it on EA Access.
I expected something more like the previous Battlefronts and this just felt like a re-skinned Battlefield.
 

AHA-Lambda

Member
I think 8 is a fair score due to lack of content. 7 is harsh but understandable and 6 is ridiculous. This is not a 6/10 game.

I'd give it an 8-7.5 only because of the content yeah. I think the 6's are the pile on reviews that feel they need to take a stand against bare bones games coming out. Same Thing that happens to destiny and other DLC heavy games.

Yeah how dare people take a stand for value for money for the consumer.
 

ByWatterson

Member
7 is above average - good.

4-5 is average
<4 is bad

Not if you apply schooling standards, which most do. 50% is a failing grade, 60% is barely passable, 70% is average, 80% good, and 90% and above excellent.

I've never understood the AAA scale gripe - it's the same as schools, and the same applied by Rotten Tomatoes.
 

Steel

Banned
7 is above average - good.

4-5 is average
<4 is bad

In practice this isn't true. Almost all games are in the 6-10 range, and few, if any AAA games are below 6, and most are above 7. You'd have to believe that all AAA games are average-good to perfect in order for what you say to be true. Hell, genuinely broken AAA games have gotten better than 6.
 

JimiNutz

Banned
I'd give it an 8-7.5 only because of the content yeah. I think the 6's are the pile on reviews that feel they need to take a stand against bare bones games coming out. Same Thing that happens to destiny and other DLC heavy games.

The thing is, there is actually still quite a lot of content here. Bare bones is definitely an overstatement. Sure there could be more maps and better customisation. For sure the season pass is expensive, but if you just buy the base game you can still easily get 30-40 hours out of this at a minimum and that isn't bad.
 

bombshell

Member
Well, it's 78 now for the PS4 version. About a 8/10 seems fair, after that it depends what you are looking for in a shooter to determine how much you will enjoy this game.
 

nib95

Banned
Lack of content sure, but having put 15 or more hours in to the BETA alone, I can't see how this is a 6/10 or lower game for me personally. The gunplay, gameplay, graphics, sound, controls, aiming fluidity etc, are all very polished and competent.
 
Yeah how dare people take a stand for value for money for the consumer.
That's what feature pieces and editorials are for IMO. Basing a score to make a statement just rubs me the wrong way.

If the game truly feels like a 7-6 title on content, that's fine. But if it doesn't, then score accordingly and expand (make lots of noise) about it in other pieces. It's like the reviews for Dead Space 3 knocking the microtransaction system when it was probably the least offensive aspect of the game when you consider the encounter design, pacing, and story.
 
7 is above average - good.

4-5 is average
<4 is bad

If you look at how games are reviewed (thanks metacritic!) you actually see that he average score is in the 70s. Games reviews do not use the full scale for a variety of reasons, and everything 5 and below are varying shades of terrible.
 

Tak3n

Banned
I think it is obvious and what we allready know, the season pass is essential...Now just for a moment imagine the scores had they included all what is coming down the track in the base game, scores would of been through the roof, goes to show it is business before scores
 

16BitNova

Member
COD effect in play here. This is Star Wars. I don't need crazy amounts of guns or customization here. Just stay true to the universe and make it fun. This game does that.

COD has spoiled people with pointless amounts of perks, gadgets, and other nonsense.
 
Well, it's 78 now for the PS4 version. About a 8/10 seems fair, after that it depends what you are looking for in a shooter to determine how much you will enjoy this game.

I played the beta for 20+ hours ;)

So, it's fair for you to give us your review of a game after playing 20 hours of a beta, but it's not fair for a reviewer to give their review of a game after playing the actual final code for 10 hours?

Just trying to understand.
 
Only four planets is pretty unfortunate. That and the generally shallow feeling I got from the beta lead me to waiting on purchase. Seems worth a good $30-40 for me (PS4). I'll be waiting. My view and experience is agreeing a lot with giant bomb.
 

bombshell

Member
So, it's fair for you to give us your review of a game after playing 20 hours of a beta, but it's not fair for a reviewer to give their review of a game after playing the actual final code for 10 hours?

Just trying to understand.

Where have I given my review?
 

RedAssedApe

Banned
COD effect in play here. This is Star Wars. I don't need crazy amounts of guns or customization here. Just stay true to the universe and make it fun. This game does that.

COD has spoiled people with pointless amounts of perks, gadgets, and other nonsense.

Spoiled with content you mean.
 

Steel

Banned
COD effect in play here. This is Star Wars. I don't need crazy amounts of guns or customization here. Just stay true to the universe and make it fun. This game does that.

COD has spoiled people with pointless amounts of perks, gadgets, and other nonsense.

To be fair, they basically used the COD loadout system... I'd give them more credit if they didn't do the level-up/unlock gig. But they did, so the comparisons are justified.
 

bombshell

Member
So the whole "I haven't played Battlefront" was.. uhmm.. yeah. I don't get it.

Bottomline, though, is that 10 hours is a reasonable amount of time to review an online shooter.

It was... immediately explained after the comma why I mentioned that I haven't played the full game yet. I don't have first hand experience of how quickly you can unlock things, I just know roughly how long it takes you to unlock the jump pack.

I'll just continue to strongly disagree with you on the 10 hours thing.
 

evilr

Banned
Balls. Knew the lack of content would hurt this game. I even got a bit bored in the beta but had crazy amount of fun for the first few hours.

No buy for me just yet. I'll wait til it's £30 or EA throws in a free season pass.
 

Tak3n

Banned
Balls. Knew the lack of content would hurt this game. I even got a bit bored in the beta but had crazy amount of fun for the first few hours.

No buy for me just yet. I'll wait til it's £30 or EA throws in a free season pass.

The way it tends to work now is the game will go into the Vault (EA Access) and they will then try to sell you the season pass
 

Markitron

Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
So fun, but lacking content?

Fine with me, for now.
 
We'll be tracking on OpenCritic: http://opencritic.com/#!game/1511/star-wars-battlefront

First batch (20 reviews in)

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Game Informer announced they're holding off until servers come up, and PSU mentioned it later in this thread. Not many other publications weighing in though, which is pretty interesting... I guess not many attended the review event? Or others are waiting on servers as well. Battlefield 4 wasn't exactly the best launch, heh.

I like your website a lot and I think it's good that we don't just have to rely on Metacritic (largely because I find their 'weighted scorings' to be bullshit), but it always strikes me as a little disingenuous when I see 6/10 scores given such a dark orange colour - let's not forget that 6/10 is still above average which implies it's worth your time, and 5/10 should be the baseline every review works from. I would say that high scores should be coloured with green, average scores should be yellow, and bad scores should be red. Making scores which are average or close to average dark orange or red seems a little unfair, unless you're working from the '7/10 is average with most publications' line of thought.
 

Creaking

He touched the black heart of a mod
So the general consensus is that the game is fun but content is lacking? That's not too bad&#65281;

There are also concerns about the perceived shallowness of the core game itself. Most often I've heard that the game is fun, but it has a very low skill ceiling. There's not much to being really good at it.


That's kinda how I felt with the beta. Had 40+ kills in several matches with only a few hours at most of playtime.
 

Impulsor

Member
thursday in EU, not tomorrow

I got in a Walker Assault game, but it hung mid match. Xbox One with latest patch.

Yeah, after like 3 days from early access, you could see the population fall. Yesterday on PC it was sometiems nearly impossible to find a Walker Assault match with people in it, and when you did, tyou had to wait.
 

ekim

Member
There are also concerns about the perceived shallowness of the core game itself. Most often I've heard that the game is fun, but it has a very low skill ceiling. There's not much to being really good at it.


That's kinda how I felt with the beta. Had 40+ kills in several matches with only a few hours at most of playtime.

Why is that a bad thing though?
 

Steel

Banned
I like your website a lot and I think it's good that we don't just have to rely on Metacritic (largely because I find their 'weighted scorings' to be bullshit, but it always strikes me as a little disingenuous when I see 6/10 scores given such a dark orange colour - let's not forget that 6/10 is still above average which implies it's worth your time, and 5/10 should be the baseline every review works from. I would say that high scores should be coloured with green, average scores should be yellow, and bad scores should be red. Making scores which are average or close to average dark orange or red seems a little unfair, unless you're working from the '7/10 is average with most publications' line of thought.

The fact of the matter is, no review sites uses the 0-10 scale when judging AAA games, and even fewer use a 5-10 scale.
 

Creaking

He touched the black heart of a mod
Why is that a bad thing though?

Some folks get bored with games once they feel like they've figured them out. The challenge and sense of accomplishment you get when playing fades. With SW Battlefront, it seems as if there's not a whole lot to figure out.
 
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