phazedplasma
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Atleast star wars doesnt have to deal with the origin story mandate.
You can just... not like it!
They must give some level of fuck to be on a nerd forum and pop in to try to convince everyone trying to have a good time with something they like though, right?
The temptation is too great to just let something exist without interjecting BUT THE WHOLE THING IS A SHAM AND THE WORST THING EVER. I HATE IT AND YOU'RE STUPID FOR LIKING IT!
The clones have personalities, and despite all coming from the same originator, they're pretty all pretty different. They just look the same. Lucas expanded on this in the show.
Leaked image of Luke giving up the Jedi's way and picking a canon.
Atleast star wars doesnt have to deal with the origin story mandate.
I mean, being as it's Star Wars, there's going to be complaints regardless the direction it goes, but
If he & Rose are the main romantic relationship in these films, people are going to be sad that
1) the implied deeper feelings between him and Rey are getting subverted and
2) the hoped for relationship between him and Poe will be ignored.
Well I really REALLY doubt that is what the Clone Wars originally were in Lucas mind when he had Obi Wan hint at them in 1977 ANH and just coming from THX1138.
I would bet he had more of a "slaves rebelling" thing in mind vs. the Republic stumbling upon Kamino clone facilities to create a million Boba Fett army that then fights endless waves of robots in mindless battles that don't really mean anything.
It could have been nice to have the conflict between Anakin vs Obi actually ignite at the topic of giving those slaves freedom or not. Ah well..
Still Finn would have been a chance at the good ole "conformed non-individual gets to wake up" theme and they didn't use it.
This is one mother of an out, given the entire argument is, Disney is hands-off with creative decisions. Here you basically agree while still trying not to back off your argument.Even if Disney is deciding to be a "cool dad" right now, that's their decisionnot Lucasfilm. Delegatory "hands off" management is still a style of management.
This is all you've been doing through this entire argument, and you have yet to present one iota of evidence in favor of your point of view.It's interesting how people in SW thread keep saying this shit as if it's true.
Drop this line of argument. It's disingenuous and toxic to discussion.No, I accused them of parroting (repeating) the corporate propaganda of actual astroturfers.
Disney owns Lucasfilm. Anything that can be attributed to Lucasfilm can be attributed to Disney, because Lucasfilm is Disney's subsidiary. This is a fact.
You'd hope.
To be fair, I'm not hanging out in a lot of low-budget prestige pic threads, either, although I'm definitely watching/enjoying the motherfuckers. So I'm being a little unfair about that point, in general.
But on the flip, it's fairly obvious when someone's making the argument for artistic integrity to those levels and their frame of reference are simply other big-budget studio tentpoles and/or AAA video games.
Yeah, it's like there's this low-level insecurity/fear that simply stating the opinion and standing by it based on the aesthetics & emotions of the movie's text as you observed it won't be enough, and so that has to be married to some sort of institutional failing that produced the mistake, instead of just going "I didn't like that part because it seemed like they wanted me to feel X, Y, & Z, and I didn't because of A, B, & C"
It has to be "I didn't feel X, Y, & Z, because the Wizards behind the curtain are faceless watchers who consistently manipulate the audience via market forces that came about due to successes in the capitalist structure that..."
So on and so forth.
Haha Oh, Luke. What a character!40 years!
I really do like that pictureBy the way
I really hope this is from the film and not just a set pic that Rian took of Daisy holding her hand out during filming. Star Wars usually moves pretty fast but I could really use more slower and atmospheric stuff like this. It's just incredibly moody to me. This was my single favorite image from the film that came out of that panel, even more than anything in the trailer--- which was all fascinating, but stuff like this is my jam.
By the way
I really hope this is from the film and not just a set pic that Rian took of Daisy holding her hand out during filming. Star Wars usually moves pretty fast but I could really use more slower and atmospheric stuff like this. It's just incredibly moody to me. This was my single favorite image from the film that came out of that panel, even more than anything in the trailer--- which was all fascinating, but stuff like this is my jam.
I really do like that picture
I'm not saying that this was Lucas' original intention but you're kind of downplaying the clone wars here, I guess it doesn't really matter in relation to your point but I do want to point out that Clones vs Droids endlessly being a waste of time kind of was the point.
Palpatine was fueling both sides of the war and was basically playing the long con so he could rise to power and create and rule over the empire. The Clone Wars was something to keep everyone else distracted and busy while he worked in the shadows and moved all the pieces so he could get what he wanted. The sepratist effort was led by Count Dooku who was doing everything under Darth Sidious's orders. Mean while Sheev Palpatine was fueling the republic to fight the sepratists.
I thought this was one of the good ideas of the prequel movies.
By the way
I really hope this is from the film and not just a set pic that Rian took of Daisy holding her hand out during filming. Star Wars usually moves pretty fast but I could really use more slower and atmospheric stuff like this. It's just incredibly moody to me. This was my single favorite image from the film that came out of that panel, even more than anything in the trailer--- which was all fascinating, but stuff like this is my jam.
By the way
I really hope this is from the film and not just a set pic that Rian took of Daisy holding her hand out during filming. Star Wars usually moves pretty fast but I could really use more slower and atmospheric stuff like this. It's just incredibly moody to me. This was my single favorite image from the film that came out of that panel, even more than anything in the trailer--- which was all fascinating, but stuff like this is my jam.
Finn asking "Do you have a boyfriend? Cute boyfriend?" with Rey completely ignoring the question is honestly one of my favorite moments in the series.
Yes. Star Wars needs more rain scenes.
I don't like rain. It's cold and wet and drenching and it gets everywhere.
Am I invitedI'm this close to setting up a committee to take control over the creative direction of Gaf Star Wars threads.
It would make sense for it to be in the film since she has probably never seen rain in her life, so she'd naturally be curious about it.
Rian Johnson's filmography is full of him stopping the forward momentum to look at things for a minute. I absolutely believe a moment like that would be highlighted in some way.
This probably isn't going to be the breakneck race to the finish line (neither textually or metatextually) that TFA was.
Just that shot of her watching the surf crash is probably a decent sign that we're going to slow down to appreciate the more striking moments, both visually and emotionally.
I wasn't taken aback watching the celebration stuff. I didn't realize that the guy who made Brick and Looper was such a....dweeb?
Rian Johnson's filmography is full of him stopping the forward momentum to look at things for a minute. I absolutely believe a moment like that would be highlighted in some way.
This probably isn't going to be the breakneck race to the finish line (neither textually or metatextually) that TFA was.
Just that shot of her watching the surf crash is probably a decent sign that we're going to slow down to appreciate the more striking moments, both visually and emotionally.
I wasn't taken aback watching the celebration stuff. I didn't realize that the guy who made Brick and Looper was such a....dweeb?
That and her gently caressing the books or the rocks slowly lifting off the ground, seems like Rian is giving the characters a lot of breathing room.
While I love TFA, that movie was real fast, seems like things will be slowed down in this one.
Am I invited
You'd probably be hardpressed finding a newer director that isn't a total dweeb who grew up playing Lightsabers.
I remember listening him on old Slashfilm podcasts (nearly a decade ago..jeez) and was always a big nerd.
I wasn't taken aback watching the celebration stuff. I didn't realize that the guy who made Brick and Looper was such a....dweeb?
This is one mother of an out, given the entire argument is, Disney is hands-off with creative decisions. Here you basically agree while still trying not to back off your argument.
This is all you've been doing through this entire argument, and you have yet to present one iota of evidence in favor of your point of view.
Drop this line of argument. It's disingenuous and toxic to discussion.
You still don't seem to understand what their relationship is or how they operate or what the entire argument is even about, so I don't know why you think this is some kind of conversation ending point. No one disagrees about whether Disney owns Lucasfilm. The question is who is in creative control, and the answer is Lucasfilm. It's that way because both Disney and Lucasfilm want it that way.
I feel like Rogue One would have been helped if it had a couple of slower early scenes with Jyn, before she met the Rebellion. Just to give it a bit of breathing space.
The intro with all the jumping around was fun for me, because I wasn't expecting it, but some people I was with (like my girlfriend) who aren't nearly as familiar into these movies as I am were definitely a bit lost for the first part of the movie. A bit of a gentler introduction to Jyn might have helped.
I do agree that TFA was very fast. The intro with Rey on Jakku was nice, took its time, but as soon as she meets Finn the movie goes into this very fast pace, only briefly slowing down when the get to Maz. But it's pretty much a rollercoaster ride for the most part.
Which is fine - it was a bit of a welcome back party after all, and it was definitely fun - but all I'm trying to say is that I'm hoping for a couple of slower scenes as well.
Film directors aren't typically known for their overt alpha-male masculine signifiers.
The two that are (Bay, Snyder) are often ridiculed for it, and their presence as such is often used as a basis for criticism. Like, it's not enough to point out their shortcomings as filmmakers, those shortcomings have to be tied to their general appearance.
John Milius is a giant dweeb who bears more than a few similarities to comic book guy. Cameron is soft-voiced and chinless. Tarantino is a giant hyperactive dweeb.
I guess there's a few actor/directors who don't seem immediately dweeby (Affleck, Clooney), though.
Movie directors tend to be nerds/geeks for the most part. My main concern is when this current 20-something anti-"SJW" gamergate generation of geeks weasel their way into the system. Jump ahead 10 years and things could sadly be looking pretty ugly.Film directors aren't typically known for their overt alpha-male masculine signifiers.
The two that are (Bay, Snyder) are often ridiculed for it, and their presence as such is often used as a basis for criticism. Like, it's not enough to point out their shortcomings as filmmakers, those shortcomings have to be tied to their general appearance.
John Milius is a giant dweeb who bears more than a few similarities to comic book guy. Cameron is soft-voiced and chinless. Tarantino is a giant hyperactive dweeb.
I guess there's a few actor/directors who don't seem immediately dweeby (Affleck, Clooney), though.
TFA would have been better if there was more stuff like Rey eating in front of the AT-AT.
Just that shot of her watching the surf crash is probably a decent sign that we're going to slow down to appreciate the more striking moments, both visually and emotionally.
TFA would have been better if there was more stuff like Rey eating in front of the AT-AT.
Movie directors tend to be nerds/geeks for the most part. My main concern is when this current 20-something anti-"SJW" gamergate generation of geeks weasel their way into the system. Jump ahead 10 years and things could sadly be looking pretty ugly.
and that's all that needs to be said really.
This series has been going on 40 years now, they plan to have it go on for 40 more. They need to reinvent the wheel and you're making a lot of assumptions here. There is no committee that dictates what stories are being told. Rian Johnson wrote the stories of Episode 8 and 9 himself, so he has the keys to the future of the franchise right now, and the head of Lucasfilm, Kathleen Kennedy has already said he's not afraid to take Star Wars in new and different directions and add complexity. You can't do the same thing forever. Episodes 8 and 9 will change a lot of what we know about Star Wars.
I really like Abrams and have been a fan of his for a while, but there's no denying that the dude is hyper as hell.
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