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Star Wars: The Last Jedi |OT| It's Time For Silly OT Titles...TO END...

gioGAF

Member
Worse than Batman vs Superman?
Yeah, worse than BvS. As much as I hated BvS, it wasn't part of a saga that had spanned for decades. BvS was a bad follow-up to an average film, TLJ is the destruction of characters that have been evolving on film since the seventies.

I was pissed about BvS, but TLJ just took the wind out of me. It is a disaster that could only be corrected if it was somehow undone. It ruins the new Star Wars characters AND the old Star Wars characters. One thing it does accomplish is making the prequels look benign in comparison, smh.
 

Gander

Banned
I don't know why J.J. Abrams didn't commit to the whole trilogy, I want that answer. I know he didn't want to do it and it took a lot of convincing but once you say yes, you gotta go all in and let Disney pour money on you.

There were only three directors right for the scope of this franchise: Abrams, Jackson or Scott. Star Wars is not for any amateur to get his rocks off.
 

Kadayi

Banned
I was pissed about BvS, but TLJ just took the wind out of me. It is a disaster that could only be corrected if it was somehow undone. It ruins the new Star Wars characters AND the old Star Wars characters. One thing it does accomplish is making the prequels look benign in comparison, smh.

Reminds me a bit of the shitshow that was the BSG reboot. The first couple of series were 'recommend to everyone'fantastic, Then midway through season 3, it went off the rails and up its own ass with the final five storyline which was so poorly conceived and reliant on some absurd retcons it basically soured me on the whole experience. No amount of delicious trifle at the beginning is going to make you forget the shit nugget you discover instead of a cherry at the bottom of a Sundae.

Honestly, I don't know how Disney is going to turn the franchise around at this point. Hardly anyone I know gives a damn about seeing whatever Abrams manages to concoct out of the TLJ trainwreck, and certainly, no one's going to give Johnson's Trilogy the time of day if it ever comes to light. Their only real options are a complete reboot from scratch (and it's a little too soon to go down that road) or conceding that they fucked up and rethinking their entire approach from the ground up, which doesn't seem likely given the doubling down they've done.

There were only three directors right for the scope of this franchise: Abrams, Jackson or Scott. Star Wars is not for any amateur to get his rocks off.

Nah. The issue isn't the direction (there are plenty of competent directors out there). The issue is the paucity of the writing both in terms of plot, characterization, world building and continuity with what has come before. Abrams was a terrible choice to kickstart a new trilogy because given a blank canvas to tell a completely new story set within the universe he instead made an inferior ANH remix and rebooted the empire in the process, essentially rendering the OT moot. I think most SW fans were just so damn happy to get a new film after so long that they fell into the trap of enthusing about TFA too much to really pick up on its many flaws.
 
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Doom85

Member
There were only three directors right for the scope of this franchise: Abrams, Jackson or Scott. Star Wars is not for any amateur to get his rocks off.

Wait, a post-Alien Covenant Ridley Scott and a post-Hobbit 2 and 3 Peter Jackson? Okay, so the solution to a supposedly destroyed franchise is to......actually destroy it?

Seriously, thank god Ridley Scott didn't direct Blade Runner 2049. Alien Covenant was like the 3rd worst movie I saw last year (The Snowman being the worst and The Mummy being 2nd worst), while BR 2049 was 2nd best (#1 being Logan).
 

Gander

Banned
Wait, a post-Alien Covenant Ridley Scott and a post-Hobbit 2 and 3 Peter Jackson? Okay, so the solution to a supposedly destroyed franchise is to......actually destroy it?

I personally didn't have a problem with The Hobbit series, as for Ridley Scott he definitely has more hits than misses with me.
 

Doom85

Member
I personally didn't have a problem with The Hobbit series, as for Ridley Scott he definitely has more hits than misses with me.

They're not terrible films (2 and 3 that is, 1 is actually great) but they're pretty weak and GOOD GOD did that not need to be 3 movies. So much dragging out and ironically he still left out parts of the book, how do you do that with 8+ hours covering a 300-page book?! Legolas' inclusion was just stupid and his OP abilities became comical in the third movie. Watching Smaug fail to kill a single one of the dwarves and a hobbit made the idea of him as a threat laughable so the big cliffhanger just made me shrug my shoulders thinking, "if he's that much of a joke, the town will do just fine." Seriously Jackson, ever think maybe that's why Tolkien didn't have that in the book? I just walked out of the theater from both of them just glad to be done with them. I guess it was inevitable, while I did enjoy his King Kong movie it did drag somewhat for the first half hour or so, and I think the Hobbit movies just showed he failed to learn his lessons from that film and then some. Until he's shown evidence he's learned from these serious pacing issues I fear a Star Wars movie by him would make Episode 1 seem exciting in comparison.

Well, I really don't trust Scott after he said the sequel to Covenant would focus on the potential threat of AI. Like, what? Scott, you're talking about an Alien film, not a Blade Runner film, or a Terminator film for that matter. To me, Scott may have more hits than misses, but those hits have been extremely scarce since the turn of the century (Gladiator was solid, everything after that I've seen of his was either tolerable or bleh), I think he's just lost his way for the most part.
 

TheMikado

Banned
Alright so I had to watch episode 1 just to rinse the nasty @$$ taste of TLJ out of my mouth.

I actually disliked TFA but loved loved loved rogue one so I was hopeful. Nope, not sure if I can even watch a new Star Wars movie at this point.
 

Kadayi

Banned
BvS ExtendedCut is a great movie. Doesn't deserve to mentioned anywhere the mess that is TLJ.

Agreed about the extended cut. It's a lot more coherent. With that said Justice League was godawful and DC really need to rethink their entire strategy going forward.
 

KevinKeene

Banned
Agreed about the extended cut. It's a lot more coherent. With that said Justice League was godawful and DC really need to rethink their entire strategy going forward.

Justice League was terrible, indeed. I really liked BvS and WW. JL however looked like a tv show :/

We're offtopic though 🙈
 

HarryKS

Member
Just watched the movie on Netflix.

God damn, there are some very incoherent scenes or set-pieces.

The first 10 minutes, whole space battle is tremendously silly. At least 5 miracles happen for the pilot to escape unscathed.
It's one dude without force powers, even Anakin doesn't survive a run like that.
The whole bombs dropping and pilot going up the ladder and making it difficult for herself to grab the triggering device instead of going all the way up to pick it up easily.
Falling down 20 feet and somehow regaining consciousness almost immediately. Being able to shift her body from a prone position to catch that falling device. It is humanly and physically impossible.
There's no way those bombs were powerful enough to destroy that dreadnought unless they hit a weak point, which wasn't mentioned nor would make sense since the top of the ship ought not to have a weak point of the sort. We saw those other bombers get destroyed with armed bombs causing merely any splash damage, at least far from being as powerful as those which tore through the dreadnought.

Then there's another 1h30 of bullshit with choice pieces being the casino, strange behaviour aboard the ship, the character assassination of Luke Skywalker, Snoke being a wet firecracker.

Then another 15 minutes of magic.

Why doesn't she join Kylo Ren? Why? The 'let the old things die' actually made sense.
We will be the spark that lights the fire that will spark the resistance whatever the fudge that sentence was is by far the worst line written in Star Wars history, atrocious writing. Far worse than the 'The Siths only deal in absolutes' bullshit controversy which is actually a perfectly fair thing to say.
How does she get on the Falcon down to the planet?
How do they survive against a dozen fighters?
That miniaturized death star device was such a pos. Tiny hole, they sacrificed far too many for that little firecracker.
How does Finn get back unnoticed if there's only one entrance? It happened during the whole Luke thing. And he covered at least 3-5 km.
That scene with Finn and Rose.
She had a better chance of killing him and herself moving at that speed.
Rose.
Rose and her sister. Maybe one of them is adopted because there is an insurmountable level of difference between the two in terms of attractiveness.
Poe's( shit character as well, barely 2-dimensional), deduction that Luke came in from behind when the damn thing was an astral projection.
Poe caressing that droid like a dog. Too much, too silly.
The whole Captain Phasma confrontation.
How does the 90 lbs girl not get knocked out when all the stormtroopers and Finn black out and she's the one dragging him?
How does Phasma go from being 6 feet in front of them to making a great entrance 30-40 yards out with a new batch of stormtroopers?
Nothing in this movie makes sense.
 

MomsNewBoyfriend

Neo Member
Hoping the plot for IX is a third party like the mandalorians come and wipe them all out. I mean right now there's no resistance and the first order is absolutely pathetic so it wouldn't even be a stretch
 

kunonabi

Member

God this was a mess to read. Both of Mcintosh's readings were completely off base and his "misreading" is totally fabricated. I've seen SW fans get tons of things completely wrong but I've never seen anyone miss the throne room sequence like that. Trying to tie this to some subversion of toxic Hollywood masculinity was just the icing on the cake.

Rian's response is just embarrasing.
 

lifa-cobex

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