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[caffeware]

Can we talk about the scene were Luke uses a branch to trick Rey into "feeling the force"?

Really? This lady has been kicking ass left and right by using the force and she doesn't know how the force feels?

That's something I can see he doing to Rose or Poe, maybe to Finn, but to Rey? Who can mind-controll without training.

 

[Paracelsus]

The best part about this movie is all the great material it has given RedLetterMedia.

This movie was such a waste of time. I'm incredibly disappointed.... and now this director has a whole trilogy of films to work with....what?!?

Any professional reviewer that gave this film favorable reviews should be ashamed of themselves.

If Nerd Crew is of any indication, they will have to watch out in Milwaukee because some rabid SW fan could physically assault them. I feel like they'll try to say how they feel, still in the most patronizing way possible.

 

[PudieRSC]

Can we talk about the scene were Luke uses a branch to trick Rey into "feeling the force"?

Really? This lady has been kicking ass left and right by using the force and she doesn't know how the force feels?

That's something I can see he doing to Rose or Poe, maybe to Finn, but to Rey? Who can mind-controll without training.

She knows there's something there, but she doesn't know how to harness it. I might be able to knock you out with a punch, but I'm not a trained fighter. Training helps and she had no idea what the Force actually is.

I thought it was pretty funny.

 

[JimiNutz]

Can we talk about the scene were Luke uses a branch to trick Rey into "feeling the force"?

Really? This lady has been kicking ass left and right by using the force and she doesn't know how the force feels?

That's something I can see he doing to Rose or Poe, maybe to Finn, but to Rey? Who can mind-controll without training.

Yeah that's a good example of the forced (and mostly failed) humor in this film. Star Wars should be funny, all of the previous films had comedy bits, so my issue isn't with there being humour in Star Wars. My issue is that the humour shouldn't feel like it's shoe horned in just so that they can meet a jokes quota.

Maybe it was just in my viewing but I saw it opening day at 10am and the theatre was packed full of people (surely mostly 'hardcore' fans) and I didn't really hear anyone laughing in this film. I think the comedy really fell flat.

 

[DJwest]

The more I think about it, the less I like this movie.

My major issues:

- The Leia superman scene was just awful.

- The entire Finn/Rose subplot

- It's about a half hour too long

- LOL FORCE PROJECTION LUKE DEAD NOW

I agree with most of these.

-The Leia Superman scene is an excellent idea but was poorly executed. The concept of her being in a critical situation only to be saved by her mastery of the Force could have been one of the highlights of the movie. I laughed when she started flying, it looked very goofy.

-All of Finn's ideas/initiatives failed and ended up being inconsequential. The movie would have lost very little without his subplot.

-It's now clear that this new trilogy will not have a villain as memorable as Vader. Snoke ended up being a joke and Kylo Ren is still the spoilt child who has been denied candy in a store.

-Just what the fuck have they done to you, Luke? WTF? My biggest gripe with movie. I understand the reason you decided to isolate yourself, but Rey just told you that your best friend died at the hands of your nephew, your sister is getting wrecked by the Order and you're still sulking in your corner? Nah, fuck this, this isn't canon to me.

-Luke's force projection death... My mouth was wide opened. I turned to a stranger next to me and asked him: "Did Luke just die?". WTF???

I would watch it a second time to try and appreciate and understand some of Johnson's decisions but it's too damn long. I can't with this movie.

 

[trikster40]

So did anyone else automatically think of The Last Guardian at the racetrack?

And yes, the Leia frozen in space...no wait a minute, I can fly through space thing was dumb dumb dumb.

 

[DJwest]

So did anyone else automatically think of The Last Guardian at the racetrack?

Hahaha, I thought the exact same thing.

 

[JimiNutz]

The thing about the Luke death is... Is Luke actually dead to the audience? Everyone knows that Luke is coming back as a force ghost Obi Wan style, so is he actually dead? Not really (and I guess that's an inherent problem with the film series itself rather than just this particular movie).

What did Luke actually do in this film? He sulked on an island and provided Rey with some training - Luke could have been a Force ghost for the entire film, muttering lines to Rey Obi Wan style it wouldn't really gave made THAT much difference to the film.

People keep on saying that this film did something 'different' and 'unexpected', well seeing Luke Force Ghost Obi Wan style certainly wasn't something different or unexpected.

You know what would have been different? Leia actually dying earlier in the movie, or Rey taking Rens hand when he offered it and joining him. That would have shocked me.

Luke sitting on his island the entire time, not fighting, and then force ghosting off into the sunset is about as cookie cutter and safe as you can get.

 

[EBE]

Miniaturized death star tech, boys. It's like nothing matters anymore.

 

[autumnleaf]

You know what would have been different? Leia actually dying earlier in the movie, or Rey taking Rens hand when he offered it and joining him. That would have shocked me.

Yes for a moment I thought Rey was going to go with him and the next film would be Luke returning to confront the two of them and bring Rey back. I would have been excited to see that. Instead I feel like Luke has really been given the short end of the stick in this trilogy, he didn't feel like Luke Skywalker at all, he would never abandon everyone he loves.

 

[ShodanMAN]

So what are the chances that the stable boy with the resistance ring is who Rian Johnson's trilogy is going to be focused on? Is this the hidden reason why the casino/race track scene couldn't be cut despite how out of place it was?

I think the dialog with Rose explaining what her life was like on the race tracks when she was young wasn't just for some intended character development for her, but also context to the young boy initially having no hope but then getting.....a new hope (wink, wink) as he looks up at the stars. Just a thought.

 

[DreadfulOmen]

I saw it with 2 other friends and we were all kinda disappointed. Some things we like, but overall it was just meh.

 

[PudieRSC]

Hahaha, I thought the exact same thing.

Haha yea me too.

 

[caffeware]

She knows there's something there, but she doesn't know how to harness it. I might be able to knock you out with a punch, but I'm not a trained fighter. Training helps and she had no idea what the Force actually is.

In this case is more like you punched many times, but you don't know what fighting feels like? Really?


I agree there should had been a training on the force, specially on the mental aspect and history of it. But such a basic lesson, to such advance student is just dumb.


Is like being a major in math at college, and getting a lesson on the multiplication tables.

 

[PudieRSC]

In this case is more like you punched many times, but you don't know what fighting feels like? Really?


I agree there should had been a training on the force, specially on the mental aspect and history of it. But such a basic lesson, to such advance student is just dumb.


Is like being a major in math at college, and getting a lesson on the multiplication tables.

But she doesn't know what the Force actually is. She knew she had it, but she didn't know it was the energy between everything. She just knew should could fuck shit up with it. He was showing her what exactly it was and to understand how to control it.

Going back to the fighting metaphor, I might be throwing a great uppercut, but if I just know I can throw a good wing imagine how much better I could do with a black belt telling me why and what else I can do.

 

[BizzyBum]

Why are so many people hating on this movie? I thought it was amazing from start to finish. The fact it has the lowest audience score on RT out of all the movies is a joke.

Are people just butt hurt their clever head canon they created after 2 years didn't pan out at all, that women dominated a lot of the screen time, or nostalgic manbabies that are upset that their beloved legendary hero Luke Skywalker isn't so legendary after all.

This movie got kinda dark in all the right ways and while it's not perfect and their are legitimate complaints to be had, the critics got this one right, and that usually never happens.

 

[Nodnol]

Saw it today, and in light of what I want to say, I’ll just post it in here.

Loved it. Genuinely enjoyed myself, with a stupid grin on my face multiple times. I had already been spoiled, so I went in expecting the worst.

All the risks paid off. Everything with Luke, Ben and Rey was spot on. I liked Luke’s chracter.

Performances across the board were great, and I felt Daisy Ridley has obviously grown as an actress. Adam Driver continues to be immerse, and Kylo is once again my favourite character in this new generation.

I was braced for Leia’s space flight, but didn’t find it too bad. Bit weird, but I was more indifferent than repulsed.

The biggest downer I can give the film is what it neglected to show us. Who was Snoke? How did he manage to consolidate the remaining forces of the Empire?

Whilst it worked to have Luke how he was, a part of me is sad we haven’t, and probably won’t, see a peak Luke Skywalker. His arc in this film was satisfying though, and liked how it ended. He WILL be in IX, I don’t doubt it.

I also really enjoyed Poe’s arc. From hot-headed and careless, to growing into a leader. There’s a look Leia gives that shows that Poe will be the leader the Resistance needs. Much improved importance over TFA.

Finn and Rose...I enjoyed their part, and whilst I liked what it highlighted about the galaxy at large, it was largely throwaway. Rose was more compelling than Finn, believing in what she was fighting for and wanting her sister’s death to be meaningful. Canto Bight was a great insight into a part of the galaxy that we’ve never seen, but has obviously always existed. There’s a part of me that almost LIKES the fact that Finn and Rose’s plan was meaningless. It showcases that not every thing goes to plan ultimately.

I was also braced for the humor to be awful and cringeworthy, but actually I laughed when I was meant to and didn’t find any of it cheesey. Totally subjective obviously.

The BEST thing about the film though, is how it handles the idea of the Force and also the legends of the galaxy. I’ve long been a believer that the Jedi were flawed, and that the series could do with highlighting how the Force isn’t uniquely attributed to the Jedi or the Sith. You’re not powerful or skilled just because you’ve had training, and that’s a notion I can get behind. Rey’s story is more compelling than Luke’s; there’s no destiny attributed to her, no bespoke bloodline to ride upon. There’s something fluid about her that I really like. That juxtaposes brilliantly with Kylo IMO.

I also loved Luke’s sacrifice. Very Obi-Wan, stalling and distracting to allow friends to escape. He became a symbol of defiance and strength when the Resistance needed it. Cowering, expecting death’s embrace, and a lone figure walks out with his head held high. Awesome. I teared up when Luke watched the sun, finally at peace and at one with the Force.

Can’t possibly rank it yet, need to digest it, see it again.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I CANNOT understand people claiming it’s the end of the series or the worst Star Wars ever. It’s EASILY better than four of the main films IMO.

 

[trikster40]

Miniaturized death star tech, boys. It's like nothing matters anymore.

“It’ll crack that door like an egg!”

Well, it’ll put a hole big enough to walk through, that’s about it.

And I get that Finn was a janitor/stormtrooper (how does he make THAT promotion from sweeping to shooting), but how the heck does he know so much about First Order tech? He was a janitor/cannon fodder.

 

[joshcryer]

Luke's death was not a big deal to me, it was OK. Ren said that no human could force project like that and live. It's also possible the force projection was so good that it left a presence which was undetectable by anyone. He kissed Leia on the forehead. He was "there" for all intents and purposes. That is the kind of power I expect from Luke (by cannon the most powerful of all the Jedi, at least until Rey becomes more powerful anyhow).

Getting Luke to that point is also not too controversial, I think he could've become disillusioned in the whole Jedi thing after failing with Ren, and I think that having that moment of fear and wanting to kill Ren in his sleep is totally in his character. And since Ren killed the entire school after that moment, it was clear that his intuition / feeling about Ren was correct. If Ren wasn't already trending toward the dark side there's no reason for him to kill everyone, just run away from his master who hates and fears him. You don't kill the fucking younglings without being evil. Ren is going to know Vader's back story. So Luke reading Ren's intentions and feelings and seeing pure darkness is going to 100% be a moment of clarity. "Would you kill Hitler" moment.

Going into exile after that is also in his character. Luke's arc to me is totally fine.

I was fine with how Leia survived space. Luke and Leia are supposed to be high level Jedi's with vast power. I read spoilers about it and thought it was contrived as with all the people who complain about this, but when I watched it in the theater is was fine, well done, and a nice twist given how Carrie Fisher died (if you didn't know beforehand you might think that was her swan song).

I had a problem with three major issues with the film, the light speed IED, the casino story arc, and the classic "if only you told us the plan" bullshit that is always contrived.

Starting the the last one, if only Holdo had told Poe the plan, nothing would've gone wrong. Literally without this half of the movies plots are fixed. Poe destroyed a fucking Dreadnaught, let him in on the plan, the guy is capable of shit, and he's going to do stuff behind the scenes, he's an asset. You let that guy know. Every single time a movie does this, the whole contrived "not letting people know the plan" thing I get really frustrated. Everything that unfolded from that point until the end of the movie, I realized.

The casino story arc was a pointless diversion, reminiscent of the prequels, trying to interject politics into an otherwise apolitical good vs evil series. It's obviously to set up a future sequel trilogy in 5 years with young kids (grown up) from that planet. We all know that weapons of war have to come from somewhere and in particular the more rebel-like your faction the less capacity to build weapons.

The light speed sacrifice by Holdo: this is an extraordinary use of technology that can destroy any ship, yes even a death star, even a planet weapon like in Force Awakens. Just fly a fucking ship into a weapon and pow, you've won. This fundamentally breaks the entire war technology of the Star Wars universe. I saw a comment on Reddit or somewhere where if it was Leia doing it (using force powers to materialize the ship into the mass of the enemy ship) then they could explain it away. But having Holdo do it, with no indication she has force powers, makes you question everything about military tactics here. Rebels would be stealing cruise liners and stuff all day every day and destroying every single First Order ship that is out there. In the next movie they have to retcon Holdo having force powers. Otherwise every single space battle becomes "why didn't they just ram a ship at light speed?"

 

[generaldane]

Why are so many people hating on this movie? I thought it was amazing from start to finish. The fact it has the lowest audience score on RT out of all the movies is a joke.

Are people just butt hurt their clever head canon they created after 2 years didn't pan out at all, that women dominated a lot of the screen time, or nostalgic manbabies that are upset that their beloved legendary hero Luke Skywalker isn't so legendary after all.

This movie got kinda dark in all the right ways and while it's not perfect and their are legitimate complaints to be had, the critics got this one right, and that usually never happens.

Being a non star wars fan I just found it incredibly boring

 

[LordOfChaos]

So...Holdo was going to die on her own anyways, what got me was she watched 90% of her own fleet get mowed down before doing anything lol. Had she started moving right when everyone left most of the fleet could have been saved. And the reason she had a mutiny was that she told everyone dick all about having a plan.

The movie felt like a bit reset button born of two directors not seeing eye to eye, and the second movie in a trilogy is an odd place for that. A lot of what TFA set up just didn't matter in the end. Reys parents I don't mind and I did want it to get away from legacy families, but everything else felt like square one.

I'm just curious what episode 9 can do from the two very different feeling movies setting it up.

 

[VVV Mars VG]

Luke's death was not a big deal to me, it was OK. Ren said that no human could force project like that and live. It's also possible the force projection was so good that it left a presence which was undetectable by anyone. He kissed Leia on the forehead. He was "there" for all intents and purposes. That is the kind of power I expect from Luke (by cannon the most powerful of all the Jedi, at least until Rey becomes more powerful anyhow).

Getting Luke to that point is also not too controversial, I think he could've become disillusioned in the whole Jedi thing after failing with Ren, and I think that having that moment of fear and wanting to kill Ren in his sleep is totally in his character. And since Ren killed the entire school after that moment, it was clear that his intuition / feeling about Ren was correct. If Ren wasn't already trending toward the dark side there's no reason for him to kill everyone, just run away from his master who hates and fears him. You don't kill the fucking younglings without being evil. Ren is going to know Vader's back story. So Luke reading Ren's intentions and feelings and seeing pure darkness is going to 100% be a moment of clarity. "Would you kill Hitler" moment.

This is definitely my sore point of the film, Luke was strong minded, confident, wise and had the support of the JEDI A-TEAM to turn to. 'Hey Master Yoda, Obi Wan and Dad, you've all been in this situation, how should I handle this?' A flow of advice, he would have stopped Kylo's training, who wouldn't have never overpowered Luke in the first place and the force would have taken it's natural course. We never really learn what makes Kylo so angry. But for Luke to give up, never, he's been through too much and with that team on his shoulder he could and would have achieved far more. However anyone tries to frame this, there is no way this is the same character.

 

[Makoto]

Folks are wrong when they say the Finn/Rose side story was pointless and could have been cut.

Was it longer than it should have been? Sure.

But the Finn/Rose plot brings DJ to the First Order. DJ is the one who reveals to The First Order that the Resistance were using transports to escape. Finn/Rose actually make the situation for the Resistance more dire, which is in line with the failure that plagues the characters in the movie.

I'm not at all trying to make the case that the side story should have remained but just saying that factually speaking, there were consequences for Finn and Rose's mission.

 

[Albino_Yeti]

Moment of silence for the most useless character in Star Wars history: Captain Phasma.

I could not believe they made her just as useless in this movie as they did last movie. She probably got even less screentime in this movie than TFA.

Total waste of a cool concept for a character.

 

[Metalmarc]

Why are so many people hating on this movie? I thought it was amazing from start to finish. The fact it has the lowest audience score on RT out of all the movies is a joke.

Are people just butt hurt their clever head canon they created after 2 years didn't pan out at all, that women dominated a lot of the screen time, or nostalgic manbabies that are upset that their beloved legendary hero Luke Skywalker isn't so legendary after all.

This movie got kinda dark in all the right ways and while it's not perfect and their are legitimate complaints to be had, the critics got this one right, and that usually never happens.

It felt like a parody by Family Guy creators or something like that

Lol Reys a nobody (even if we discount this i have many more problems)
Titty Milk scene
The Imperial Iron for the clothes that looked like a spaceship at first
The Force Link where they could actually touch hands
Snoke got Mauled by Kylo, lol
Super Leia
Storm Troopers did next to nothing
Your just a kid in a mask so you wont use it the rest of the film
Turns out it was lukes fault for the way ben solo is
The Casino stuff was naff
Did that DJ character just stutter?
Snoke is sooooooo powerful he can use the force through his hologram, but not enough to not get killed
BB8 controlling a AT-ST
DJ calling BB-8 roundy
Force Ghost Yoda can cause lightning? so why didnt all the jedi force ghosts not intervene everytime the Dark side fuck about and just fucking rain down lightning bolts at them
Yay kid rebels with brooms, they are the future
Stupid Hux
What the hell did BB-9E even do again?

I have more stuff, but i cant think right now

 

[graffix13]

Why are so many people hating on this movie?

Because it sucks?

Off the top of my head:

Leia flying through space is the absolute worst scene in the whole saga.

General Hugs? Really? He is a clown after that. How can you take him seriously?

Luke milking a space slug. Why show that? You may as well show him taking a shit by the rocks somewhere. Pointless scene.

No character development for Finn. Oh, except he still likes to run away. I guess he killed Phasma which was good. But such wasted potential for him.

A Matrix style lightsaber fight between Luke and Kylo. Luke ducking Kylo's swing in slow mo is just...awful.I laughed. At this point in the movie I was enjoying this movie for the farce that it was.

I didn't mind Snoke dying but Jesus, Rian. You trolled fans with "Your Snoke Theory Sucks" but yet you offer no answer yourself? God forbid fans get excited for your version and you offer none. Bravo to you for tricking us I guess?

Rey being a nobody was fine, but her character is blah. How can she do the advance things that she does?

 

[caffeware]

But she doesn't know what the Force actually is. She knew she had it, but she didn't know it was the energy between everything. She just knew should could fuck shit up with it. He was showing her what exactly it was and to understand how to control it.

I agree. She doesn't know what the force is. What I don't understand is how she doesn't know how the force feels, after using it so many times in so many different ways, to the point she can be fooled by a twig brushing her hand.

Anyway, this is nickpicking on my part.

I don't know why I'm so invested in this. I'm not a big fan of SW.

 

[caffeware]

A Matrix style lightsaber fight between Luke and Kylo. Luke ducking Kylo's swing in slow mo is just...awful.I laughed. At this point in the movie I was enjoying this movie for the farce that it was.

Can't believe they did this in 2017!

This movie was Space Balls 2.

I'm starting to think they did all of this on purpose to piss off invested fans.

Just wondering why, since it seems a bad idea in the long run.

 

[Croatoan]

I thought the movie was excellent with a few minor mishaps (whole casino world plot mainly).

I understand why people could hate it as the entire point of the movie is to basically shit all over "head cannon" and show that the Skywalker's post Anakin really ain't shit in the grand scheme of the force.

As a huge star wars nerd I was aware that they were speaking to me and my kind, and honestly I get it. Star Wars no longer "belongs", or is beholden, to us just like how the force doesn't belong to anyone. I am cool with that. Some people just cannot handle it though. Their head cannon won't let them.

 

[Starfield]

Worst movie of all. Every 5 seconds stupid unnessecary comedy Disney style. Utter shit.


Thats my review.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Snoke and Rey’s parents not mattering at all was amazing. That would have been too typical, by subverting those things this movie won.

Agreed, Snoke getting fucked made me smile that it's not a paint by numbers story.

 

[Super Mario]

Imagine if Episode 4 was released today. It would be ripped apart due to movie snobs. No one will ever be happy.

Episode 7 = The internet snubbed their noses at it because it was "too much of a rehash". Episode 8 = snubbed for being too different. Will Episode 9 bring balance to the force?

Somehow the biggest complaints I've seen is about not knowing more about Rey and Snoke. Really? What if there is a bigger story to tell? What if there isn't? The internet never fails to amaze me. I'm just glad we didn't hear about Rey and Kylo being siblings. Remember, we didn't want a rehash? I will say I wanted more from Snoke. Who knows, he may not be gone? What I can say is up to that point, I had lost faith in the Kylo Ren character. That moment projected him back into an interesting character.

One of the best things about this movie is the predictability it took out. You think every little side quest is going to look hopeful, look bleak, then pay off, just like previous films. Most of them fail. You thought for sure that Rey would be announced as a Skywalker, or even a Kenobi. Nope. Some of you even took the bait that Luke was going to the dark side.

Were there some clunky scenes? Yup. I could also do without flying Leia. Letting the transport fly around and be invincible to a star destroyer until the gas ran out, also silly. In the end, you're all liars if you're saying you aren't dying to see what happens in Episode 9. I enjoyed the movie.

 

[kunonabi]

I thought the movie was excellent with a few minor mishaps (whole casino world plot mainly).

I understand why people could hate it as the entire point of the movie is to basically shit all over "head cannon" and show that the Skywalker's post Anakin really ain't shit in the grand scheme of the force.

As a huge star wars nerd I was aware that they were speaking to me and my kind, and honestly I get it. Star Wars no longer "belongs", or is beholden, to us just like how the force doesn't belong to anyone. I am cool with that. Some people just cannot handle it though. Their head cannon won't let them.

Again its not shitting on headcanon thats the problem it's thumbing its nose at established character work and how the world fundamentally works that is the problem.

As much as i love SW i detest the fanbase more than anyone but that doesnt mean i want to see the films make fun of them to get a point across that doesnt even really matter. Its not like the fanbase had any say to begin with and everyone, SW nerd or not, has been capable of enjoying the series on their own terms since the beginning.

You never needed to waste a whole film to let people know that.

 

[BizzyBum]

Imagine if Episode 4 was released today. It would be ripped apart due to movie snobs. No one will ever be happy.

Tell me about it.

Again, it's not a perfect movie, but some of these nitpicks people are posting are laughable.

 

[Shouta]

This is definitely my sore point of the film, Luke was strong minded, confident, wise and had the support of the JEDI A-TEAM to turn to. 'Hey Master Yoda, Obi Wan and Dad, you've all been in this situation, how should I handle this?' A flow of advice, he would have stopped Kylo's training, who wouldn't have never overpowered Luke in the first place and the force would have taken it's natural course. We never really learn what makes Kylo so angry. But for Luke to give up, never, he's been through too much and with that team on his shoulder he could and would have achieved far more. However anyone tries to frame this, there is no way this is the same character.

I don't think Force Ghosts are around that much, lol. Besides, Obi-Wan's advice in Return of the Jedi was kinda garbage if you go back and see it again. He tells LUke to kill Vader and if he can't they're all doomed but that's exactly what the Emperor wants. Not a single mention of saving his father or doing it without malice, heh.

I totally felt like what happened with Luke was in character though. He took the burden of being a hero, master, and a legend head on. However, he let it get to his head and he lost sight of what it meant to be in that position. His viewpoint had become clouded.

This wasn't the first time Luke's judgement became clouded though. His anger in Return of the Jedi helped him to take down Vader after his mind was probed for the truth about Leia. He managed to pull himself back from the brink there before being seduced by the Emperor. The same thing happened in that moment with Ben. There was just an instant of murderous intent that he had but it passed. However, it was too late and it did irrecoverable damage to Ben. His guilt at not being better and failing Ben was what lead him to where he is in TLJ.

It just works well, I think. It also brings a tragic thread to the Skywalker line. Their greatness and lineage ended up causing them to lose their path. Anakin was told he was the best, a savior, and when combined with what happened with Padme, he lost any sense of balance and it lead to him being Vader. Luke was more tempered and always kept on the right path but just a single lapse in judgement because he had let his own legend get to his head caused him to set his own nephew on the path of Darkness. Then there's Ben. A child that was hit with the double whammy of loneliness due to his parents being so busy and the burden of greatness his lineage had as Jedi. Along with Snoke's invitations, it lead him to the Dark Side.

Granted the last part is a bit of my own theories but Kylo is an interesting character because he's kind of a culmination of all this Jedi worship in the SW universe. It really helped to twist him along with the feelings of abandonment.

Anyway, getting back to Luke. I loved his scene with Yoda in this film because it was such a perfect call back to Return of the Jedi and their conversation before Yoda's passing. I really liked that Yoda points out to Luke in TLJ that passing on what he learned wasn't just about the techniques, culture, etc of the Jedi but also the failures felt just right. It was the lesson that Luke was given before but failed to take to heart.

But eh, I'm just kind of ranting now. The movie just left a lot for me to chew on in regards to how the films and characters relate to each other in those areas. It did far more so than any other Star Wars has up until this point.

 

[Insane Metal]

OMG I've just seen a video on Facebook... Star Wars with Tommy Wiseau. Funniest shit I've seen in ages. Holy shit.

 

[Laserdisk]

Loved it myself.
Two issues, cameo ep1 style casino planet
And pure hate for frozen space angel Leia, tha fuck was that mess????
Love they gave Poe an arc finally also, he needed something.


Also when Luke turned up at the end, nearly as they were all wiped out, was it only me that thought of this?

 

[cubicle47b]

I didn’t care for it. Luke, Rey, and Kylo were decent until Snoke died, then everything fell apart. The resistance story was boring. Apparently Palpatine was the last competent leader in the Star Wars universe.

 

[Harlock]

The projection thing killed Luke big moment. People was expecting a true motherfuckung fight. And I feel the people at the end of movie kinda of underwhelmed.

 

[autumnleaf]

Episode 7 = The internet snubbed their noses at it because it was "too much of a rehash". Episode 8 = snubbed for being too different

What movie did you watch, this was ESB sprinkled with bits of ROTJ.

 

[Sosokrates]

One thing TLJ does better then TFA is its overall tone, I find TLJ is more serious and the force is no joke and the main characters are also more serious.
I think TFA took kylo ren not seriously enough which made TFA feel very silly.

This is star wars and the force, its serious stuff and TLJ felt like that, the humour in it was better placed then the humour in TFA.

 

[wanders]

Why are so many people hating on this movie? I thought it was amazing from start to finish. The fact it has the lowest audience score on RT out of all the movies is a joke.

Are people just butt hurt their clever head canon they created after 2 years didn't pan out at all, that women dominated a lot of the screen time, or nostalgic manbabies that are upset that their beloved legendary hero Luke Skywalker isn't so legendary after all.

This movie got kinda dark in all the right ways and while it's not perfect and their are legitimate complaints to be had, the critics got this one right, and that usually never happens.

This movie does not deserve to RT score

 

[Jezan]

Can we talk about the scene were Luke uses a branch to trick Rey into "feeling the force"?

Really? This lady has been kicking ass left and right by using the force and she doesn't know how the force feels?

That's something I can see he doing to Rose or Poe, maybe to Finn, but to Rey? Who can mind-controll without training.

That was a non-issue, it was there for comedic effect, but it's just like emotions, you get angry or sad, but when you really think about it, do you really stop to think how being angry feels?

 

[Revolutionary]

I thought it was pretty good as far as Star Wars sequels go, which admittedly isn't the highest bar.

Snoke was completely pointless, though. What a waste of a character.

 

[PaddyOCanager]

One thing TLJ does better then TFA is its overall tone, I find TLJ is more serious and the force is no joke and the main characters are also more serious.
I think TFA took kylo ren not seriously enough which made TFA feel very silly.

This is star wars and the force, its serious stuff and TLJ felt like that, the humour in it was better placed then the humour in TFA.

How can you possibly believe this? Did you watch a completely different film? Nothing felt serious in this movie and the tone was completely off for Star Wars. When things try to get serious they introduce some bullshit slapstick comedy or lame joke that falls flat on its face and pulls you right out of the movie. The tone of this movie is Pirates of the Caribbean, not Star Wars. What an abysmal failure.

 

[Laserdisk]

I thought it was pretty good as far as Star Wars sequels go, which admittedly isn't the highest bar.

Snoke was completely pointless, though. What a waste of a character.

He was only ever there to push Kylo Ben's story forward.
Any other ideas were just fan fiction.
This is Ben's story basically

 

[Mister Apoc]

Honestly they should of never had the sequel trilogy be connected to episodes 4,5,6

I would of actually preferred if it was set way late in the future

there was no need to bring back Han or Luke or Leia besides fan service, i rather of had a completely new story separate from the OT and the characters from the OT

does anyone else agree? or is it just me

 

[Shouta]

Honestly they should of never had the sequel trilogy be connected to episodes 4,5,6

I would of actually preferred if it was set way late in the future

there was no need to bring back Han or Luke or Leia besides fan service, i rather of had a completely new story separate from the OT and the characters from the OT

does anyone else agree? or is it just me

An entirely new trilogy without any connection to the old stuff would have been the best direction but that wasn't going to happen at all both for nostalgia and business reasons unfortunately.

 

[caffeware]

Honestly they should of never had the sequel trilogy be connected to episodes 4,5,6

I would of actually preferred if it was set way late in the future

there was no need to bring back Han or Luke or Leia besides fan service, i rather of had a completely new story separate from the OT and the characters from the OT

does anyone else agree? or is it just me

The big question is, if you take out from this new movies any iconic reference to the OT, is it still SW? Would audiences still liked it?

Only time with tell.

 

[BizzyBum]

How can you possibly believe this? Did you watch a completely different film? Nothing felt serious in this movie and the tone was completely off for Star Wars. When things try to get serious they introduce some bullshit slapstick comedy or lame joke that falls flat on its face and pulls you right out of the movie. The tone of this movie is Pirates of the Caribbean, not Star Wars. What an abysmal failure.

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