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Starhawk (Closed) Beta Testing thread of impressions and questions.
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Jack Scofield
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Just played my first match. All I did was mess around in the Hawks for a bit. Flying in Warhawk felt so much smoother than in this game. Dunno why they changed the flight physics, but damn, a Warhawk felt agile, nimble, and controlled tightly. Something is off about the way the Hawks control. Took me a bit to get used to NOT double-tapping R2 for boost, for one thing. Some other things that I noticed/have questions about:
- I really miss missiles and rockets casting light onto the environment around them. I don't know the technical term for it, but it was in Warhawk but it's not in this game.
- After a teammate builds a jeep garage, how do I build a second jeep without building an entirely new garage. I think it's possible, because there's a white "ghost" of a jeep, but I couldn't figure out how to do it.
- Jetpacks. Dammit. I hated their introduction in Operation: Falling Star and I don't think I'll like them in this game. Totally breaks infantry movement.
- Am I always gathering energy or do I have to remain next to the energy reactor thing?
- Is hitting the left stick + X the only way to break lock-ons?
And that guy is right. The framerate is atrocious, especially when you're flying. I don't know how someone can not notice it.
- I really miss missiles and rockets casting light onto the environment around them. I don't know the technical term for it, but it was in Warhawk but it's not in this game.
- After a teammate builds a jeep garage, how do I build a second jeep without building an entirely new garage. I think it's possible, because there's a white "ghost" of a jeep, but I couldn't figure out how to do it.
- Jetpacks. Dammit. I hated their introduction in Operation: Falling Star and I don't think I'll like them in this game. Totally breaks infantry movement.
- Am I always gathering energy or do I have to remain next to the energy reactor thing?
- Is hitting the left stick + X the only way to break lock-ons?
And that guy is right. The framerate is atrocious, especially when you're flying. I don't know how someone can not notice it.
The Frankman
Banned
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Goto the little monitor and a prompt comes up. Press square to have a new vehicle constructed.
As long as you're near the home base territory or near a Pod Beacon you're Gathering. Breaking blue barrels works also.
Check settings, you can adjust it I think.
It's already been mentioned as part of the beta process. No one is bringing it up as a big problem on the boards so far at all.
wat
I rather think that this is a performance/framerate issue as well. The Hawks itself control like in Warhawk, at least in pro mode. At least that's what I'm guessing because it's just so hard to get a feel for it @ estimated 23FPS...
Square Triangle
Member
Played a couple rounds, loved it. Everyone in each game was very vocal on what needed to be done.
Jack Scofield
Member
In Warhawk, there were two boost modes for the Warhawk and Nemesis. Pressing and holding R2 made your jet fly a bit faster than normal, while hitting R2 twice gave it a super-boost, complete with blue flames and everything. In Starhawk, super-boost is engaged every time I press R2. I guess the normal flight speed is increased from what it was in Warhawk or something. Just feels odd.
Different, the U3 beta comes early 2012
Ah, fuck. One of my favorite aspects.
The Frankman
Banned
Why did I just get kicked out just as we got 6 people?
The Frankman
Banned
Man just played some flying practice in the Starhawks, getting used to the controls. Can't wait until the next patch.
Square Triangle
Member
Deploying right on an enemy for the kill is so damn satisfying.
weekend_warrior
Banned
Man I suck at dog fighting, couldn't get a single kill. Then that asshole kept joining and kept killing me.
The Frankman
Banned
I'm going to keep the game going, but I won't join it yet.
... did you use Chaff at all?
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
Chaff? How/Where/Come again? Thought it didn't exist in this game...
weekend_warrior
Banned
Yeah, pressing R3 releases the chaffs, just realized that myself.
The Frankman
Banned
Yep. I don't know if there will be a Chaff pickup in the beta, alot of Starhawk pickups are not in the beta but have said to be implemented.
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
Nice. Is there a way to switch shoulders while aiming that I don't know about?
The Frankman
Banned
Spectacular Dr Dawg
Member
Is the beta code tied to your PSN account or can you give it away?
archnemesis
Member
I've never heard of a case of it being locked to an account before. You can most likely give it to someone else.
If you do give it away, I'd love a chance to play it as a big Warhawk fan. I had to ask...lol
But yea, others have given codes away no problems.
Edit: If anyone wants to trade a Starhawk code for a DOTA 2 invite, let me know.
Spectacular Dr Dawg
Member
Ok thanks. I don't really need the code since my PS3 is in a constant death cycle (I've fixed it about 9 times already) and I pretty much only use it for buying PSP games.
I will give the code to the first poster who can answer this:
What's the name of the famous punk band whose debut album was called Arise! ?
I will give the code to the first poster who can answer this:
What's the name of the famous punk band whose debut album was called Arise! ?
The Take Out Bandit
Member
Amebix?
Spectacular Dr Dawg
Member
The Take Out Bandit
Member
Thank you very much for your beta code Spectacular Dr Dawg.
Wouldn't call myself a fan, but I listen to the fantastic college radio station which exposes to me a wide variety of genres and music. I'm more of a Humpers / Rats of Unusual Size / Dead Milkmen kind of punk guy.
weekend_warrior
Banned
Could you give me the link pls to the beta thread regarding framerate? Thanks!
http://community.us.playstation.com/message/36477661#36477661
Nobody else considered it an issue.
The Frankman
Banned
They really need to make the Mech powerful again. Mech were nerfed because of Mech base-raping in 1.0.3. If a guy is in a jetpack + rocket launcher is facing a Mech, Mech is losing. Mechs cannot target anything G2A, and that makes no sense.
astroturfing
Member
hey i listen to some punk and some of my friends are into Amebix and Discharge and crusty stuff like that.. i enjoy some Tragedy every now and then myself.
can i haz code? oh just one
Got my code, anyone else looking for one should request one here
Who still needs a Starhawk beta code?
http://community.us.playstation.com/thread/3912241?start=0&tstart=0
Who still needs a Starhawk beta code?
http://community.us.playstation.com/thread/3912241?start=0&tstart=0
For some reason I can't login there and read that thread. However, if I'm really the only person noticing that this game runs like ass and sub 30FPS then I guess it's just in my mind. We'll see if the final version is any better...sorry...I meant..."different".
The Frankman
Banned
A lot of the game reminds me of Star Wars: Battlefront 3 that got canceled (i think). Check out YouTube vids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j81I_-uaOqg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j81I_-uaOqg
Spectacular Dr Dawg
Member
Only had onehey i listen to some punk and some of my friends are into Amebix and Discharge and crusty stuff like that.. i enjoy some Tragedy every now and then myself.
can i haz code? oh just one
TTOB said that he can't get it wokring. It might be because it's an EU code. If he can't get it working I'll PM you the code.
WolfForager
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The Take Out Bandit
Member
I agree that rocket fairies are a pain in the butt, but I don't know if the solution is making the Hawk more powerful in response to that. Perhaps just allowing hawks to lock missiles onto rocket fairies while on the ground.
Hawks really feel lame in this game.
Two flight speeds is lame. Starfox style canned missile scrubbing is terrible. Please let me fly my plane. They need to give the hawks more munitions to be effective here. A nice bunker buster would really make them worthwhile for teams that love to build walls around the flag with turrets inside. I know they're just designing a good killbox, but it makes for the opposite of the fast paced insanity of Warhawk. Especially since we have to indulge the teams Starcraft fancy and mine resources to obtain good gear.
Increasing the Hawks stopping power on the ground would be super handy to drop in and clear out enemy fortifications as well. Perhaps make the Hawks gun more powerful, but have crap accuracy on the ground. This way players will be forced to use them to take down enemy structures rather than land, squish, and move out.
Sound in the game is terrible as well. Everything is very muted and indistinct. Warhawk had exceptional and vivid sound effects. I've had Hawks land behind me and kill me for free, because the sound is terrible. Go watch Robocop guys. When a Hawk lands I should hear something HUGE hitting the ground. It should sound like ED-209 is trying to sneak up on me.
Include a more distinct transformation sound to tip off players.
The screech of a low flying Warhawk tearing through the sky is also missing and would be a good give away.
Health regeneration is too generous.
I'm really hating the new gun play. I'd be willing to accept your dudebro style shooting, in exchange for captivating air combat and useful aircraft. If I have to learn how to play another crappy third person shooter, then Normal Flight scrubs from Warhawk should be required to learn how to fly a damn plane. I'll take that trade.
Character movement speed needs to be controlled all on the thumb stick. I cannot think of any situation where I would not want to be running top speed, and since there's no player run stamina bar to validate the existence of this superfluous button press; then get rid of it.
Different ≠ Better here.
The game is definitely beta material. I'm not going to knock it for that, but in it's present state I'm content to wait for a price drop on it, or perhaps even pass. I still have Warhawk, as broke as certain aspects of it may be - I got 569 hours of love poured into that game.
I posted a request on the 7th, got the code on the 8th, I just didn't know it was waiting for me as I only just now checked back today. They PM it to your playstation.com inbox
The Take Out Bandit
Member
Is there a clan for this game or is it disabled in the beta?
I'm getting sick of playing with randoms who are every bit as stupid as randoms in Warhawk, only worse since I now need to rely on team work to accomplish anything. This is not to say Warhawk doesn't require teamwork. It does! HEAVILY. Where Warhawk doesn't require teamwork is in my ability to unload a magazine full of bullets into a baddy. Just knowing where the pick-up is to do so.
Visual design is really pissing me off as well.
Warhawk was FANTASTIC!
Everything about Eucadians was the opposite of everything about Chernovans. You couldn't possibly mistake the two. In Starhawk, everything is METAL AND CONCRETE! So enemies can drop gun turrets in your base and it's not immediately evident until the damned thing starts shooting at you.
There's a lot of pretty graphical stuff going on, but none of it adds to the game play experience; only detracts. So much orange, brown, gray, and green.
All the build and battle stuff is WAYYYY too armored. It takes forever and a day to blow something up, and without plentiful weapon pick ups this is a gigantic pain in the balls.
Put the seat switching for jeeps BACK ON SQUARE.
I accidentally dropped a spawn beacon trying to quickly select the sniper tower. I couldn't reclaim it, and I couldn't destroy it to get rid of it. Needs to be fixed. Everything. EVERTYHING needs to be reclaimable.
Oh and you now can't crash into the acid sea. I'm going to go test this again, but I just tried at the end of the match and it wouldn't let me near the water. WIIHAWK! It plays itself. :|
Can I just get a Warhawk HD Remix? Get rid of Normal Flight glitch bullsh*t, slow down the warhawk hover speed substantially to lessen the air-to-ground domination and I'm good. Really.
I'm getting sick of playing with randoms who are every bit as stupid as randoms in Warhawk, only worse since I now need to rely on team work to accomplish anything. This is not to say Warhawk doesn't require teamwork. It does! HEAVILY. Where Warhawk doesn't require teamwork is in my ability to unload a magazine full of bullets into a baddy. Just knowing where the pick-up is to do so.
Visual design is really pissing me off as well.
Warhawk was FANTASTIC!
Everything about Eucadians was the opposite of everything about Chernovans. You couldn't possibly mistake the two. In Starhawk, everything is METAL AND CONCRETE! So enemies can drop gun turrets in your base and it's not immediately evident until the damned thing starts shooting at you.
There's a lot of pretty graphical stuff going on, but none of it adds to the game play experience; only detracts. So much orange, brown, gray, and green.
All the build and battle stuff is WAYYYY too armored. It takes forever and a day to blow something up, and without plentiful weapon pick ups this is a gigantic pain in the balls.
Put the seat switching for jeeps BACK ON SQUARE.
I accidentally dropped a spawn beacon trying to quickly select the sniper tower. I couldn't reclaim it, and I couldn't destroy it to get rid of it. Needs to be fixed. Everything. EVERTYHING needs to be reclaimable.
Oh and you now can't crash into the acid sea. I'm going to go test this again, but I just tried at the end of the match and it wouldn't let me near the water. WIIHAWK! It plays itself. :|
Can I just get a Warhawk HD Remix? Get rid of Normal Flight glitch bullsh*t, slow down the warhawk hover speed substantially to lessen the air-to-ground domination and I'm good. Really.
weekend_warrior
Banned
Man this is one of the most addictive games I've played. Improve the assault rifle and reduce the lock on time for jetpacks and starhawks and I'm fucking good.
edit: what happened to avatars, did I miss something?
edit: what happened to avatars, did I miss something?
The Frankman
Banned
I can't answer everything but I can answer this:
Reason:
No clans. Actually A LOT of shit is disabled so far like air pickups for Hawks (air mines were removed in 1.0.4 I think).The Take Out Bandit said:
The reason I think is you can hold L2 (Air Brake) and it acts sorta like a another flight speed slower than Normal Flight. I don't remember that in Warhawk, but even if it was there you also had Hover capabilities...
Errr... you see it on the mini-map. Red structure or green...
WTF? I've done it before... maybe they patched it out?
The Take Out Bandit
Member
I'm going to time this.
So basically I can mount and dismount super quick, and waste time running around the car instead of just holding down the button to switch seats. BRILLIANT!
Yeah mines were in it when Sea Manky showed me the Beta when he got it. I believe they stated the mines were causing the system crashes people were experiencing.
Warhawk also had a brake. So three speeds and brake.
I shouldn't need to look at a map. Good visual design, Warhawk had it. Starhawk - not so much.
It's way dumbed down. In the early beta Sea Manky showed me I ran into one of those brain things in the Acid Sea stage and blew up instantly.
Now you bounce around like a paddleball. It's probably worse than Warhawk in that regard.
Lightbox seems hellbent on making the ground combat more about aiming and shooting like Pro Flight in Warhawk, but making the air combat in Starhawk like the ground combat in Warhawk. There are just some completely asinine decisions being made here as a concession to the dudebro crowd who ought to not play the game if they can't fly and shoot at the same time.
I'm going to fire it up and try being a camping scumbag.
The Frankman
Banned
Look, I agree Lightbox has gone overboard to take out the air baserape, however there is a megapatch coming out that is supposed to help the pilots.
The Frankman
Banned
Setting up another NeoGAF server...
I agree.... infantry is simply superior in most ways to flying. In warhawk if i was on foot and a warhawk dropped in on me... i would run for cover... Which makes complete sense to me.
This game if I have a rocket launcher or a shot gun... I run straight for hawks because they are such easy targets... I can even scare them off with my rifle.. its pretty ridiculous.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
This thread makes me jealous...
weekend_warrior
Banned
No, you hit X and flip the left stick either left, right, or down, and you move to the corresponding seat without having to get out.
The Take Out Bandit
Member
This ought to be hilarious. At this point the game is so inherently whack they need to just release the tank and hover bike just to give players more options and reduce more balancing nonsense down the road.
Dudes will just spawn as far forward as they can, shit out a Razorback garage, and take off leaving the damned garage in the middle of nowhere. There's no way in hell they're going to be able to tie every moron playing this game a shared energy pool. No way in hell. If they do, they may as well send this game directly to the clearance bins.
That could have ended worse. Complete base rape. Build. And. Battle. Completely falls apart outside of the little Lightbox snowglobe of reality. Everybody is running around trying to play Deathmatch, not building squat, not expanding territory. Not getting on the damned mics.
At least when you got base raped in Warhawk you would have weapon pick ups to fight back.
Yep, still leaning toward completely lost on this game. They turned it into Battlefield in Space. Everything that made Warhawk great is stripped away in favor of this ridiculous build and battle system. Granted these are just impressions of the current build of the beta. Perhaps by some miracle the powers that be at Lightbox will pull their heads out of their asses.
They ought to look at every public showing of the game they've done and listen to their staffers practically begging the players to use hawks. "Come on guys! Get in the air! Hawks are really important! We swear!"
Man, this hurts almost as bad as Capcom's betrayalton WRT another franchise I used to love.
I was hoping this would be great. I was really looking forward to it, but man - hope dashed, love over. Just another dudebro shooting game now.