I am hoping for a deluxe model with even better gear inside so I can skip building a pc next year.
I would install windows and maybe even windows 8.
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Steam Machine unboxing
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I am hoping for a deluxe model with even better gear inside so I can skip building a pc next year.
Nice! Do the Linux versions of games maintain their 360 button prompts? I'd assume they do, right?
ashecitism
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It was only regarding BPM interface, but I think I read it somewhere that the prompts change accordingly to what you're using at a given time. Wouldn't be surprised if it was the same for games, with kb&m, X360 and SC (once it gets properly supported).
If we see some component manufacturers as part of the partners at CES, that would speak volumes as far as thought into the idea of living room PCs goes. They have teased some components may come out:
Verge said:
TouchMyBox
Member
Yeah, the linux kernel has built in support for most game controllers just plug in a 360 controller or dongle and go in pretty much any version of linux in the last few years. Most games like Meat Boy and FEZ and whatnot work flawlessly with it and have all the prompts.
TouchMyBox
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They aren't planning on doing so at the moment.
The plan is to let OEMs with more experience make the boxes, but I'm hoping they one day have their own "nexus"-esque line of steam machines.
ashecitism
Member
Is it the same with DS too? I mean the prompts. Or would devs have to imlement it? There seems to be this buzz that DS4 will be the most popular controller for PC.
TouchMyBox
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The devs have to put the art assets for the prompts in their games.
Valve's always intended to release its own Steam Machine:
I don't think they'll be sold at retail, though; more likely is that they'll be purchased through the Valve Store as a made-to-order product, similar to Dell though perhaps without the options to change certain hardware.
ashecitism
Member
Well, they changed their minds it seems. Pretty sure during the press blowout more than one reported Valve don't intend to sell them.
I think the phrasing in the following excerpt from The Verge's Steam Machine feature published last month has caused some confusion:
I don't believe that the middle portion of the paragraph means Valve isn't intending to release its own machine at all, but rather it's in reference to the prototype units specifically.
ashecitism
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hmm looking it up only Engadget went into more specifics, the others like WP, just said "you proly never buy, this is for test only":
So the same as the x1 or ps4. X1 is a pre build metro Windows 8 box. Consoles are like phones this generation all the same basics so it is about the games and price
Didn't feel like the PS 3 slim was noisy at least far more silent than xbox 360. Maybe it could be your setup, I'm not joking it could be it depends on location etc
Ah, interesting. It seems as though Valve has somewhat distanced itself from the idea of releasing its own Steam Machine and will be looking at how Steam users react to third-party offerings to inform a final decision.
MutonCommander
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They probably don't want to compete with OEMs because they're counting on their support. Time will tell if SteamOS will need a "Nexus" device.
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
Wait. Team Meat likes playing SMB with the controller? Are there any videos of someone playing a platformer like SMB, FEZ, Binding of Issac, Braid, etc? I'd be most interested in that. I mean not that I couldn't just use my 360 controller for those games. I'd be curious how the Steam controller plays with those.
Also, Minecraft would be a curiosity. I know it's not on a Steam, but you can still install it and add it to your list if you want. So I'd be curious to see how it works if possible. Since the trackpad control stick things can act as both a mouse and buttons.
Also, Minecraft would be a curiosity. I know it's not on a Steam, but you can still install it and add it to your list if you want. So I'd be curious to see how it works if possible. Since the trackpad control stick things can act as both a mouse and buttons.
That was a year ago. Not to say it will not happen but they already backed away from some of their claims. Biometrics are no longer part of the controller but now part of their VR project, with skin galvanic sensors at the ear lobe
Edit - just seen your other posts, could be that they got some extra partners in between and felt it was in their best interests to step back for now
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
You could keep it for cursor games.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
When can we expect these to be available? I definitely want the $500 model from ibuypower. That's a great entry price for me to get into PC gaming cause no way in hell am I telling the wife I want to blow $800-$1,000 on a PC for videogames. We already have a PC that handles our needs. But this, this is different. My Trojan horse that I can then upgrade as I see fit.
I'm very excited about this.
Oh and I could not stop staring at that frowning speaker in the first unboxing video.
I'm very excited about this.
Oh and I could not stop staring at that frowning speaker in the first unboxing video.
I wonder if the revers 16x PCIe riser they use is available anywhere?
Neat. The air channel/GPU rest doubles as a power cable conduit.What's under the gpu
I'd really want to have that case thank you please give it to me.
That's the problem with making statements about "PCs" in general -- my high-end PC is whisper quiet. Of course it's also huge. PCs can be as quiet or as loud as you want them to be. The only hard thing is if you want very fast, cheap, small and quiet at the same time.
He blogged about it a fair amount of detail: http://tommyrefenes.tumblr.com/post/62476523677/my-time-with-the-steam-controller
Ultimately he ends up saying its a great start but there is work to be done. He would choose the 360 pad over the steam pad simply out of familiarity, and if all controllers are wiped of the planet and only the steam pad was left, gaming wouldn't miss a beat.
I'd call it pretty dam high praise from someone who seems anal over controllers
Pope Benedict XVI
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I wish Valve had made a few more of these units to give to some of the gaming press. We would be getting more, better quality videos right now. And more in depth discussion about the controller etc.
Anyway, the design of the machine is great. Really excited about CES now.
Anyway, the design of the machine is great. Really excited about CES now.
ashecitism
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I'm not sure the press can be trusted with a beta. They might do some first impressions and not touch it again for a long time.
I mostly haven't heard good things about iBuyPower, so you might want to watch out for other potential console-priced models at CES.
I mostly haven't heard good things about iBuyPower, so you might want to watch out for other potential console-priced models at CES.
I understand people being skeptic about the controller, but I don't get how you can be this dismissive about it. Nothing interesting has been happening in gaming for years and when a company tries to do something different they get laughed at because their controller doesn't look exactly like everyone else's. I'd think people would at least give them the benefit of the doubt with the track record they have. I'm fairly certain that if the controller is as bad as people think it will be, valve would have been first to toss it and go for something better.
Never said it was bad.....but I hate touch controls period for movement and aiming...doesn't matter how good the controller may be. If I'm going to use something for mouse movements I'll just plug a dang mouse and keyboard in. Never in my post did I say it was a bad controller I just said it has no analog sticks therefor I would never use it....it's an opinion.
Most impressions I've read about have grown to like it, relating to it as more of a virtual trackball than a touch interface. Each to their own, but if you get a machine and the controller came free, it seems foolish to just bin it without giving it a chance when there has yet to be a bad impression of it functionally. All the bad stuff is about hard it is to get used to http://tommyrefenes.tumblr.com/post/62476523677/my-time-with-the-steam-controller
rudieboy77
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Watched all his vids, looks better than I expected. I was also amused he kept calling the ASRock mobo Asus, yes I know they used to be the same company.
I've confirmed with a pal, I've got 2 PS4's in my house right now, it's very damn simple to test, fire up Killzone, new game, let the cutscene end and get back on the bed, look out the window. Now put your controller face down in a position which forces the screen to spin (thrashing the GPU) - the fan will kick in within 45 seconds.
Oh and I've fixed the problem, the idiots who claim it's noisier upright? Yeah, no - not at all. The fan is on the right side of the PS4, if you put it so the blu ray is at the bottom of the PS4 (power cable at the top) the hot air generated at the top escapes at the top. I've also regrettably added a ducting fan to my TV cabinet.
Sure it's your opinion and from what trackpads and touchscreens I've used I'd have to say I don't like them either as input methods. I may have misinterpreted you but my point still stands. There are so many people who just dismiss the controller even though most developers who've tried it have been very positive about it. I just can't stand it when people dismiss things without even trying them. There are tons of things I would have missed if I didn' try them but I guess that's just a difference in attitude.
ashecitism
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Controller with Windows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8tRU6bQb6Q
Looks comfortable. I assume the bindings function through steam while windows just identifies it as HID compliant
shackdaddy836
Banned
Just based on that small amount of footage, it looks like he's having a much easier time controlling the game.
IAmRandom31
Banned
I will just plug my DS4 or 360 controller into the steam machine to play FPS / TPS / RPG's / adventure games and such. I will use this controller when playing games like Rome Total War or something that needs that touchpad feel for more responsive mouse cursor movement.
The first thing I noticed about the unboxing, besides the amazing case it came in, was the fact he hooked it up to a monitor. Immediately bothered me considering the main reason for SteamOS and the steam machines was to put the PC into the living room.
The first thing I noticed about the unboxing, besides the amazing case it came in, was the fact he hooked it up to a monitor. Immediately bothered me considering the main reason for SteamOS and the steam machines was to put the PC into the living room.
rudieboy77
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I'm going to buy the controller for sure. I have my PC set up to work in two rooms and will use the controller in the room where the PC isn't.
Yeah, he's improved with perhaps approximately 10hrs game time? Looks good
Snot Rocket
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The steam controller I will probably buy one day if it gets good reviews. I have a wired 360 currently and thats the single best controller I've ever used for PC gaming. So I wont buy the Steam controller just because, but only if its better.
The article doesn't categorically state that biometrics were to be part of the Steam Controller, just that Valve had been experimenting with biometric-based input devices, and Gabe was non-committal about continuing to head down this route ("I think you’ll see controllers coming from us that use a lot of biometric data"); there's a distinction to make there. Valve's intention to sell its own Steam Machine appears to be the only certainty that it's stepped back from.
Yeah I was thinking that earlier. Found this http://www.istarusa.com/risercard.php but couldn't find anyone on sale.
After seeing these I was having a look at a few HTPC cases and there's nothing really that you could get a ATX psu, a dual slot card and a ITX or mATX board in without butchering 3 together.
Yeah, I know, but the interview from which I quoted predates that one. I don't think there's much of a distinction to make between "I think you'll see biometric controllers from us" and "We wanted to the controller to be based around biometrics but found this infeasible" -- unlike Gabe's comment regarding Valve selling its own Steam Machine, a biometrics-based controller was never presented as anything more than a possibility.
Edit: On the subject of the Steam Controller, if Valve starts selling them before Microsoft releases PC drivers for the X1 controller, I'll likely opt for it instead, depending on the price.
fizzelopeguss
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reference maybe, i'm worried for the aftermarket/vendor models though. (which is what i buy.)
Ah gotcha. I can't remember where I read it but there was word that Valve would take the hit for the cost of the Steam Controllers being supplied with steam machines. May well be a bit too do with trying to get widespread adoption