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Stock-Age: Stocks, Options and Dividends oh my!
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koam said:
The counter-argument would be that the earnings good news (which will be released overnight tonight) are already priced into NTDOY through the 6% jump last night and this morning.
Did some good news just break, or did Bernanke fart in the appropriate direction? Market just spontaneously jumped 100 points.
Cheesemeister
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koam said:
Oh, so we're finally getting dividends, eh? I was wondering when that was going to happen.
Cheesemeister said:
I'm not sure, can you check what the ex-dividend date is on your broker? you seem to have the most up-to-date info on ntdoy. On pink sheets it says that the ex-dividend was in 2006. If that's the case, only people who've had that stock since back then get dividends/
Cheesemeister said:
There's just an earnings report coming out tonight. I haven't seen any speculation that it will include dividend distribution.
Either way I think NTDOY is safe to hold through this report, and even through the holidays. The Wii and DS are profit generation machines.
Cheesemeister
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koam said:
Dividend Yield 0.60%
Declared Dividend 0.0753
Ex-Dividend Date 9/27/06
Dividend Payable Date 12/22/06
WTF?
Found this:
http://quicktake.morningstar.com/stocknet/StockReturns.aspx?Country=USA&Symbol=NTDOY
http://quicktake.morningstar.com/stocknet/StockReturns.aspx?Country=USA&Symbol=NTDOY
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Dividend History 12-02 12-03 12-04 12-05 12-06
Dividend $ 0.09 0.12 0.13 0.13 0.36
Year-end Yield % 0.76 1.01 0.82 0.85 1.11
S&P 500 Yield %
5 Year History Splits and Dividends Amount Per Share
07-05-07 Cash Dividend 0.627730
09-27-06 Cash Dividend 0.060060
03-28-06 Cash Dividend 0.301770
09-27-05 Cash Dividend 0.063000
03-28-05 Cash Dividend 0.067000
09-27-04 Cash Dividend 0.066000
03-26-04 Cash Dividend 0.064000
09-25-03 Cash Dividend 0.057000
03-26-03 Cash Dividend 0.062000Ether_Snake
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Yeah I'm not sure about the Wii long-term, but the DS is definitly going to continue to sell. The more people buy DSs, the more people buy DSs (me too factor, and casual aspect of it).
Nice rally after 2pm, hopefully a good sing that people are going to stop freaking out on bad financial sector news.
Ubisoft was up 6.50% today, thanks to yesterday's announced fiscal results. Told you guys Ninten-who?!
http://www.boursier.com/vals/FR/FR0000054470-cours-ubisoft.html Went from 46 to 55 in 15 days.
THQ was up 2.61%, they've been going up since the drop that followed the announced possibility of lower-than-expected results. Q108 results will come in on Nov. 1st.
For those interested, Dell announced they will bundle Adobe products in some of their systems, including Photoshop; http://bigtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.co...-from-apple-in-adobe-deal/?source=yahoo_quote
AMD was down 4.44%, don't know why.
Intel dropped 2.95% and another 0.42% at the moment in after-hours. Transmeta Corp. announced one of the biggest financial events in its history, a $250 million settlement with Intel Corp. that caused its share price to more than triple.
Microsoft going up, 1.13% and another 1.02% in after hours. Microsoft beats Google to Facebook stake.
Nvidia was down 3.38%. Probably to the downgrading of Broadcom (semi-conductors).
Raytheon up 1.68%. And Military contractor Northrop Grumman Corp. said Wednesday its third-quarter net income soared 62% on the back of higher ship sales and raised it full-year guidance.
Universal Display was down 3.56%.
My Take2 shares totally plunged, 5.34% today, on no news:| Insider trading before some bad news?:/ Actvision down 2.23%:| Immersion down 0.74%:|
Nice rally after 2pm, hopefully a good sing that people are going to stop freaking out on bad financial sector news.
Ubisoft was up 6.50% today, thanks to yesterday's announced fiscal results. Told you guys Ninten-who?!
http://www.boursier.com/vals/FR/FR0000054470-cours-ubisoft.html Went from 46 to 55 in 15 days.THQ was up 2.61%, they've been going up since the drop that followed the announced possibility of lower-than-expected results. Q108 results will come in on Nov. 1st.
For those interested, Dell announced they will bundle Adobe products in some of their systems, including Photoshop; http://bigtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.co...-from-apple-in-adobe-deal/?source=yahoo_quote
AMD was down 4.44%, don't know why.
Intel dropped 2.95% and another 0.42% at the moment in after-hours. Transmeta Corp. announced one of the biggest financial events in its history, a $250 million settlement with Intel Corp. that caused its share price to more than triple.
Microsoft going up, 1.13% and another 1.02% in after hours. Microsoft beats Google to Facebook stake.
Nvidia was down 3.38%. Probably to the downgrading of Broadcom (semi-conductors).
Raytheon up 1.68%. And Military contractor Northrop Grumman Corp. said Wednesday its third-quarter net income soared 62% on the back of higher ship sales and raised it full-year guidance.
Universal Display was down 3.56%.
My Take2 shares totally plunged, 5.34% today, on no news:| Insider trading before some bad news?:/ Actvision down 2.23%:| Immersion down 0.74%:|
there must be something i dont understand. At 2pm, i've put a limit sell order on ntdoy at 75.85$ and now its 76.40$ and my order hasnt been executed. WTF?
edit: i cancelled it and place another sell limit order at 76$ and 2 minutes after its been exectuted at 76.50......Someone can explain it?
edit: i cancelled it and place another sell limit order at 76$ and 2 minutes after its been exectuted at 76.50......Someone can explain it?
_Rafa_ said:
Are you in the US? If so, your gains are taxed at your normal income tax rate if you hold for less than 1 year. See: http://www.smartmoney.com/tax/capital/index.cfm?story=capitalgains&hpadref=1
I believe your broker will mail you a statement at the end of the year detailing your taxable income, which is also reported to the IRS.
Cheesemeister
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_Rafa_ said:
Sixty-three dollars? Save up a good amount of money (at least a couple thousand dollars), choose your investment, and hold it for a while.
_Rafa_ said:
The problem with that is that there are going to be just as many times that you'll lose 5-10% as gain it. There are few short term plays that are as much of a sure thing as NTDOY was two days ago. You're better off investing in a company you believe in while their stock is on an upswing, and keeping it until it isn't. NTDOY remains on an upswing.
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Wow at MS in after hours, and damn Nvidia took a big plunged today (-8.73%), but it's back up 2.45% in after hours.
Sony was up 5.94%: Sony's Net Soars on Electronics, But Game-Division Losses Deepen
Argh Take2 damnit go up again.
Sony was up 5.94%: Sony's Net Soars on Electronics, But Game-Division Losses Deepen
Argh Take2 damnit go up again.
Maxwell House
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Maxwell House
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With 5K, and lots of trading on $800-$1000 basis, commissions and taxes are likely to eat all your profits._Rafa_ said:
Your commissions are $4.95 each way?
I'd save up some more money and invest at least $2,500 per stock I bought (preferably $4,000 or more). Anything less, with commission that high, is just not a good idea, IMO.
The only way your strategy is going to work is if you win like 85-90% of your trades...which, needless to say, is very hard to achieve.
One even short bear run could wipe you out with that strategy.
Maxwell House said:
i think 4.95$ per transaction is very correct and and dont pay taxes since im a student and i make less than 9000$ a year.
My strategy is the same of Michel Carignan, a professionnal trader so theres no problem with it and its not very risky. NEedless to say that when ill have more $$$, ill invest more $$ in each stock.
Maxwell House
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Well, I have to disagree. Your strategy is VERY risky. Very short term selling with high commissions relative to the amount you are buying/selling is the defintion of risky trading. Just because some professional trader short term sells using TA doesn't mean it is without risk. TA by its nature is very risky._Rafa_ said:
BTW, I don't believe being a student exempts you from paying capital gains tax. Income tax, sure, but I believe capital gains is different (it is in the US at least, not sure about Canada).
_Rafa_ said:
Since you lose broker fees everytime you trade (buy and/or sell) the more often you do it, the more it reduces your gains on the good trades and increases the losses on the bad. Keep in mind that buy and sell signals don't go directly to you, they filter through many people first who jump in early and get out by the time it reaches the masses.
_Rafa_ said:
$5000 isn't going to do a lot on short term unless you're the next Warren Buffett. Even then, 10% is only going to be $500 before taxes. If I was thinking about throwing $5,000 at the market right now? I'd, well, be careful regardless. The past few months have been pretty ridiculous. I'd use it to get started with companies whose stock you should just hold onto, the shrill pundits call 'em, almost in an over-simplification, "grocery store stocks (e.g., General Mills, Coke, Colgate*)." The reasoning is that fads, wars and clothing trends come and go, but mom will always be buying cereal and other "essentials."
And if there's anything left over, buy a stock of a company that you just like. My "leftovers" in my last fit of buying went to [not saying**] just, well, because I was bored and thought it'd be a fun, short-term buck.
(*I don't own any of those, so it's not like I'm trying to pump up my portfolio.)
(** see above, I'm uniformly against praising a stock in public with tacit hopes it'd get others to buy.)
xsarien said:
One thing I've been wondering is how much quarterly reports can effect large mutual funds. Since the top performers slightly change every quarter I wonder if I could get ahead of the sluggish investor by chasing the performance the day that it is released electronically instead of waiting for the typical snail-mail paper and holding on for a month or so before re-balancing to my preferred spread. On the other hand, my (fallible) gut tells me that the funds are driven MUCH more by the performance of the companies that it is invested into instead of the fund purchaser's shifting of money around. It would be a pain to do the math appropriately instead of just looking at charts to compare since the funds invest in over 100 different companies.
the fact is that if i make 8% with ntdoy on 2 days, I prefer that than making 8% on a month. I can use my gain in other high potential short term stocks faster. Thats basic. In the end, my commission fees will not be different.
If ntdoy was not more than 3-4% up on 2 days, i surely would have kept it for longer term. Who knows if it will hold tomorrow...IMO, i dont think so.
im watching now a couple of high potential stocks from great companys. They're at a resistence and i see buyers are making pression. Im just waiting the right moment to enter, place my limit sell price, and make profit. Sure it has some risk, but theres ways to to things that are safer than others.
If ntdoy was not more than 3-4% up on 2 days, i surely would have kept it for longer term. Who knows if it will hold tomorrow...IMO, i dont think so.
im watching now a couple of high potential stocks from great companys. They're at a resistence and i see buyers are making pression. Im just waiting the right moment to enter, place my limit sell price, and make profit. Sure it has some risk, but theres ways to to things that are safer than others.
_Rafa_ said:
Pretty much everyone would, but you've got to work risk into your management of stocks. It's almost like you've got two forces pulling at your investments. The high risk of day trading is tempered with using set buy and sell prices. You'll more then likely gain money that way, but how will it compare to the market average as a whole? the buy and sell will lock a profit in, but you aren't going to get the entire spike of growth, especially if you are slower in doing it then the traders with inside knowledge and more direct access to the market. To each his own though. There's a certain alure about beating the system, but historically speaking day trading is hard to pull off. I posted this earlier in the thread but it has gotten lost in the shuffle.
http://www.travismorien.com/FAQ/trading/futradersuccess.htm
Also a fascinating point...
_Rafa_ said:
"the fact is that if i make 8% with ntdoy on 2 days, I prefer that than making 8% on a month."
Another thing too, is that you almost always have to have the next big investment lined up right away to put the money into since while it's out of the market it isn't making any money. It's great to make 8% here and there but how often will you be able to capture sure things like the Nintendo deal? Every couple of weeks or months? How does that compare with just leaving it in the good stock for a couple of months ? I hate to harp on you, but I just wanted to make sure you know about some of the risks you may have not considered and how a possibly short sighted gain view of the market can cloud the larger long term gain view.
short term investing is fine. How do you think day traders/hedge funds make their money?
I don't know enough about technical analysis to attempt it.
Too time consuming for my tastes. I'd much rather do fundamental analysis on a couple stocks, buy at good prices, and hold.
To each his own.
I don't know enough about technical analysis to attempt it.
Too time consuming for my tastes. I'd much rather do fundamental analysis on a couple stocks, buy at good prices, and hold.
To each his own.