TheSpoiler
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Charged would be neat if it didn't go full screen but juggled or some stupid shit like that
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Charged would be neat if it didn't go full screen but juggled or some stupid shit like that
CountBlack
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they did it once as an apology then that was it.
Should happen at least once a month imo
lucebuce12
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Random brainstorming:
It'd be awesome to see Sagat have two ways of throwing fireballs. One being the standard qcf which is tried and true.
The second being the same move, only being executed with back charge, like Guile's boom. The difference in this version would be that you can charge it to release the EX version without spending meter (which takes a while) or be able to forward/back dash out of it while charging.
It'd be awesome to see Sagat have two ways of throwing fireballs. One being the standard qcf which is tried and true.
The second being the same move, only being executed with back charge, like Guile's boom. The difference in this version would be that you can charge it to release the EX version without spending meter (which takes a while) or be able to forward/back dash out of it while charging.
I didn't feel bad about the teabagging. Felt bad he was playing Alex.
CountBlack
Member
what if he didn't have any fireballs
lucebuce12
Member
Well yeah that's what's gonna happen.
that brainstorming was for a game that isn't SFV.
TheSpoiler
Member
Fuck man Abby might have to be a secondary. Urien is making me feel myself way too much.
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Lmao
Omnistalgic
Member
I just hope he's fun, and a competent zoner. I really want to learn another character besides Ken, defensive to cover his bad MU, Guile is perfect but I suck with zoners.
How Sagat is handled will be a good indicator of how SFV overall will be handled going forward.
Since SFV was an over correction of SF4, maybe they'll over correct with Sagat and make his zoning be Injustice tier.
lucebuce12
Member
They don't make for fun E-S-P-O-R-T-S.
ColonialHawk
Member
Scrubs either A) don't like to deal with zoning or B) can't deal with zoning.
Im scrub A
lucebuce12
Member
Fun fact, that also applies to IJ2.
I challenge a lot of the claims of "X design choice was to benefit casuals" but I really think making fireballs shitty was definitely to keep casuals from getting too frustrated.
I think Capcom perceives, accurately or not, that most people's favorite style of play is rushdown and that most people hate going up against zoners. Getting zoned out is frustrating so I think they're hesitant in making zoning good because casual players over estimate its effectiveness. I'm sure in both SF4 and V people lose to Dhalsim a bunch at the lower levels but he isn't top tier in either game. I'm guessing they're afraid if he was too good at zoning that people would be so frustrated they quit playing.
TheSpoiler
Member
Yeah, dumping fireballs seemed to be a way of keeping casuals less mad about "spam", which again was a consistent if not silly complaint in older games. I still think they can make fireballs a bit stronger across the board while keeping most v-skills that bypass it the same.
It's weird. Fireballs aren't used for zoning as much as they are for straight pushback, stun, damage, etc. But spacing? Nah. It's kinda like how parry was in SF3 but less reliable but still annoying for people who want to do straight zoning ala Guile. I still think they could make it work in a way that doesn't mean he's screwed if someone has a good method against like.
Like Guile lol.
It's weird. Fireballs aren't used for zoning as much as they are for straight pushback, stun, damage, etc. But spacing? Nah. It's kinda like how parry was in SF3 but less reliable but still annoying for people who want to do straight zoning ala Guile. I still think they could make it work in a way that doesn't mean he's screwed if someone has a good method against like.
Like Guile lol.
"God's Beard!"
Member
SFV Sagat
- tiger uppercut is gone
- tiger knee is gone
- only one fireball, startup can be charged and canceled but it has a minimum 30 frames so you can't actually do anything cool
- command grab
- 14 frame forward dash
- crouching fierce hitbox stops at his elbow
- V-Trigger: tiger knee(can be used twice): projectile invulnurable, can be ground thrown while airborne
- Super: Benevolent Scar - Elena's healing
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";246122766]SFV Sagat
I'm so sick of command grabs
- tiger uppercut is gone
- tiger knee is gone
- only one fireball, startup can be charged and canceled but it has a minimum 30 frames so you can't actually do anything cool
- command grab
- 14 frame forward dash
- crouching fierce hitbox stops at his elbow
- V-Trigger: tiger knee(can be used twice): projectile invulnurable, can be ground thrown while airborne
- Super: Benevolent Scar - Elena's healing
I'm so sick of command grabs
lucebuce12
Member
But that's how you start the fight and finish it quickly!
TheSpoiler
Member
EX Nitro - Sunset - GG.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
"Benevolent Scar" lmaaaooo. I wonder how big he'll be also. Almost as tall as Abigail for sure, but I hope they stick more to the athletic classic style Sagat and not the bulked up Alpha one. A good mix of both would be ideal but pretty sure Capcom would lean more towards the latter.
While I agree with what you're saying, I would argue that many of the ways that currently exist in the game to get through fireballs are kinda crappy, and therefore are only really effective if the fireballs themselves are crappy. See, for example, how Charlie can use his V-Skill to absorb a fireball, but the startup and recovery on it are so long that characters with good fireballs (like Charlie himself, or Guile) can quickly close the distance on him and punish him. Or how Cammy can easily V-Skill her way through Ryu's fireball and punish him, but has a harder time doing it to Guile (and at times it can even get her punished instead). There are also many good moves that get you through fireballs (fast moves that have armor or projectile invincibility, etc.), but those often require the use of an EX bar, and in a game where you can only have three bars at most, they won't always be readily available to you.
So I feel like the issue can be kind of complicated.
Sagat with a shotgun.jpg
So what you're saying is that buffing fireballs would add to the defensive element of the game and require people who want to mount an offense to use meter.
TheSpoiler
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It doesn't always take meter to get through fireballs, so it's kinda character specific. I like how Abigail was handled. He CAN get through the spam but it takes decent work and leaves him open if he doesn't choose the right option (block, backhand, v-skill). The more effort you put in it, the better you are off, though. Like if he tanks a few projectiles with his v-skill he gets v-meter. But blocking won't get you that.
But he can still be spaced out, spammed out, and use that meter that could be for a stupidly damaging combo to just ex-nitro run in which opens him up to getting bodied if the opponent reacts properly.
It's good.
But he can still be spaced out, spammed out, and use that meter that could be for a stupidly damaging combo to just ex-nitro run in which opens him up to getting bodied if the opponent reacts properly.
It's good.
Yeah I don't see a problem with that
Jumps are as strong as ever, and imo the best option most of the time for anti fireballs. They don't leave you in crush counter states. They don't leave you susceptible to being jumped in on or beaten by multi fireball or normals. Anti airs in this game are suspect
Jumps are as strong as ever, and imo the best option most of the time for anti fireballs. They don't leave you in crush counter states. They don't leave you susceptible to being jumped in on or beaten by multi fireball or normals. Anti airs in this game are suspect
The Lone Dragon
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Sako just said he likes SF5 over USF4. Pack it up.
https://www.twitch.tv/sakonoko_game
Fireballs are not a defense mechanic, because (like DPs) only certain characters have them.
Buffing fireballs will only make fireball characters better, and non-fireball characters worse.
If you want to buff defense in SF5, do it in a way where everyone can benefit. Not via fireballs or DPs.
https://www.twitch.tv/sakonoko_game
So what you're saying is that buffing fireballs would add to the defensive element of the game and require people who want to mount an offense to use meter.
Fireballs are not a defense mechanic, because (like DPs) only certain characters have them.
Buffing fireballs will only make fireball characters better, and non-fireball characters worse.
If you want to buff defense in SF5, do it in a way where everyone can benefit. Not via fireballs or DPs.
lucebuce12
Member
EXACTLY.
Remove Crush counters.
Fix V-Reversals
Make fireballs not shit (because they are if your character's name isn't Guile)
Yeah, I'm surprised at how Abby turned out. In a good way.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Sako is obv just a shill.
Who said anything about a mechanic?
TheSpoiler
Member
What if they buffed both fireballs and anti-fireball things in such a way that good usage is rewarded with both? I feel like some characters could use that.
Abby gives me hope for the rest of the S3 boys. And if Abby is the standard for how the game is going, I'll be happy.
Abby gives me hope for the rest of the S3 boys. And if Abby is the standard for how the game is going, I'll be happy.
But not s2? Menat am cry
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Good man.
CountBlack
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TheSpoiler
Member
I don't know why we need to discuss every time a pro player says they like or don't like the game. It's getting silly after a while because it's shitposting on either side and it's an eternal back and forth that'll never end.
Ahh yeah. I'm sure she'll be sick. The only DLC character I thought wasn't too good in terms of depth was Ed. Like I said, I want that v-trigger move to be a special of some sort. Somehow. All of his fancy stuff comes from that.
Ahh yeah. I'm sure she'll be sick. The only DLC character I thought wasn't too good in terms of depth was Ed. Like I said, I want that v-trigger move to be a special of some sort. Somehow. All of his fancy stuff comes from that.
The Lone Dragon
Member
There have been others, just that those don't make good reddit posts.
Even Daigo in his recent Kotaku article said he was enjoying playing SF5 on the pro tour as the 'underdog': https://compete.kotaku.com/street-fighter-s-beast-is-now-an-underdog-1797757231
And, Daigo in the past has said he enjoys SF5...but when he offers the tiniest criticism it becomes "DAIGO HATES SF5!!!"
You could see on his stream when they were trying out Abigail a few weeks ago that they were having mad fun.
The 5v5 tournament this weekend was several hours of people clearly enjoying SF5: https://clips.twitch.tv/GorgeousEnthusiasticSnailTTours
I'm very interested at how Menat will turn out. Especially if she'll be a zoner of some kind.
Yup.
CountBlack
Member
find someone that'll ride for you the same way lone dragon rides for capcom
lucebuce12
Member
Child abuse
TheSpoiler
Member
Actually, I kinda hope Menat has traps or something neat like that.
Glad to hear at least two dozen enjoy the game they play. At least it's more than the arcana heart scene
That would be interesting. A zoner/trap character.
"He may be your father, but he ain't your daddy."
lucebuce12
Member
Fantastic Awesome New Guy has a monopoly on that, sorry.
Ed is interesting bc he feels like would be a flashy character but his gameplay is actually very dry
Yeah it's kind of sad. Both games have (in SFIV's case had) an audience so it clearly depends on the person and their specific taste. The only thing I don't get is that if SFIV was as liked as some people claim why has it disappeared off the face of the earth? lol.
Hmm I'm thinking more zoning orbs like Rose.