Hot Coldman
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yo this is dumb
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Super Mario 3D World still locked to 8 way movement
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God damn, Nintendo. You INVENTED the 3D platformer with Mario 64. How could you fuck this up?
Outtrigger888
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Not this time. The run button is right in the middle of the gamepad.
Same here, I thought it full analogue.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
People keep referencing Galaxy as a vast open world, but Galaxy in most stages merely displays vast open vistas.
Its design is pretty much where 3D Land was going: linear, tightly focused. Hell, many Galaxy stages are 2D platformers locked to a side view. It seems at the moment Nintendo is interested in refining a hybrid 2D/3D platforming experience.
It's not a fuck up. It's a design paradigm.
Its design is pretty much where 3D Land was going: linear, tightly focused. Hell, many Galaxy stages are 2D platformers locked to a side view. It seems at the moment Nintendo is interested in refining a hybrid 2D/3D platforming experience.
It's not a fuck up. It's a design paradigm.
Carpe Libertatem
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Did you play the same Super Mario Galaxy games that I did? Much of the game was linear and the sequel was especially so. There certainly were remnants of the 64 style explorable levels (like Honeyhive Galaxy, for example), but there's been less and less of those in every game since 64 (the FLUDDless levels in Sunshine, too, were linear - ironically also thought of as the best part of the game). Acting as if Galaxy was on the same level as 64 or even Sunshine is disingenuous.
walking fiend
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Not sure really; the co-op, which is the main advantage of the console, is 'awesome'.
Apparently a lot of people haven't actually played the game here. The control is 'much' tighter than SMG, I could tell this even being handicapped; no matter how praise people throw at SMG, control and camera certainly could be improved.
Still a better d-pad than [name almost any other console]
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I understand why people are so jaded, but I suspect most of you will change your mind after playing the game, it's great.
Takamura-San
Member
Why not have 2 control schemes then?
Dr_Boris_Goltz
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I played and loved 3D Land, and didn't know this was a thing.
Carpe Libertatem
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Right. This is basically the next step in the evolution of the 3D Mario series. It's been a long time coming and gradual steps have been taken in nearly every game since 64 to come to this style of gameplay.
Sir Ilpalazzo
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Because if the 3D stages are based around the player only having deliberate eight-directional movement, giving the player the option to use full analog control would break the game to some degree. If they were going to balance the game around analog movement, they would have made it the default.
shinobi602
Member
Basically which do you think are better games, the Galaxy series or 3D Land?
The reason he's not thinking about the big open fully explorable Mario 64 style levels in Galaxy is because they don't exist.
You think there's going to be something like Honeyhive in Super Mario World 3D?
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
They could allow full analogue control with the Pro Controller or GamePad, though.
Why even support the Pro Controller if it's basically a d-pad only game?
That has nothing to do with the controls.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Hopefully not.
The big open levels were almost always the worst in Galaxy 1 and 2. Beach Bowl was the exception.
EDIT: Not Beach Bowl, the one that was Beach Bowl-esque in Galaxy 2, with Yoshi and the peppers and silver stars.
I know people love to complain about Nintendo's decisions, including me, but this is one of the biggest non-issues I've ever read about. 3D Land controls were as tighter as ever. Also, smh at the people who dismiss 3D Land just for being a handheld game and dismiss 3D World for being a sequel of it...
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Agreed. Anybody who played 3D Land will know this is a complete non-issue.
Elfforkusu
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Carpe Libertatem
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Honeyhive Galaxy is hardly an open world level anyway (it's just moreso than the other levels in Galaxy), but yeah, I do. Especially with the cat suit which allows for verticality which was a big aspect of Honeyhive Galaxy with the Bee Suit.
The level design in 3D Land was a lot more angular than 64/Sunshine/Galaxy, I assume it's similar in World. Being that it is supposed to be a 3D game with the "feel" of a 2D Mario title (run button and everything) it absolutely makes sense.
It's like asking why Monster Hunter doesn't have lock-on or healthbars - it's simply the way the game is designed.
Nintendo didn't make it full analogue because they are idiots, but because it's an intentional design choice.
Because it was originally intended to be the sequel to Super Mario 3D Land and they panicked and up-ported it for the Wii U.
That's my honest guess, too, not even trying to troll. When I saw the video during the direct and saw the title, I swore up and down it was for 3DS and was excited for WiFi multiplayer.
This isn't even a question. Galaxy is god-tier 10/10 masterpiece type shit, 3D Land is good but more suited to a handheld and smaller ins cope.
StreetsAhead
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I wouldn't get your hopes up. This is the direction they've been heading with 3D Mario for the last 3 games.
Have you watched the Developer Direct? This is Directly contradicted.
Asides from Whomp for obvious reasons, none of these levels is even remotely as open and exploration focused as 64's levels.
Graphics Horse
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3D Land doesn't have 8 way movement though, it's... kind of weird. Changes in stickyness depending on the situation but I think it's 16 way normally.
Of course a 3DWorld player might only have a dpad to control it so it may be more restrictive.
GAF A60-Rim A
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Probably.
Both Iwata and the director of the game said it'll be the grand culmination of the best parts of previous 3D Marios.
A step in a different direction than what you expected is not a step backwards.
plagiarize
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yup. a game designed around a perfectly functional control scheme is never going to have problems with it's controls.
It is 8-way movement. You just won't notice it unless you actually try to change the direction Mario faces while he stands still.
SMT
this show is not Breaking Bad why is it not Breaking Bad? it should be Breaking Bad dammit Breaking Bad
We (me) wanted something akin to Mario 64, maybe next e3. I'll be buying this regardless.
Then enjoy Super Mario Diorama 3D!
I pray the rest of the world disagrees with you and this game bombs like the emergency 3DS port/bandaid it appears to be.
StreetsAhead
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If 3D Land is anything to go by, it'll be the fastest selling console 3D Mario.
I will bet you a buck it won't.
Doctor Decimate
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where do i put my faux outrage?
Super Mario 64 DS. Shit was awful.
SM64DS didn't bother me specifically but it was pretty obvious that the digital controls in it were a pretty undesirable compromise.
The levels here will be at least designed with this in mind, like 3D Land.
yeah but those are the worst levels in the game.
except beach bowl. that one's alright.
From the looks of it, deservedly so.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
That game is so much better with the circle pad.